Will Jadeja and Pandya finally take responsibility with the bat ?

[Number]

I expect our bowling to do well even without much of contribution from them but with all the experience they have they need to really step up with the bat.

 

Both will have to perform well with

the bat and take responsibility of finishing and at times consolidating.

 

With Pandya we do see occasional innings where he does get the team out of trouble but with Jadeja it is almost a rarity. 

 

Overall to be honest none of these 2 inspire any confidence, more so while chasing.

 

If both of them fail this world cup I believe its time India goes back to 

6 batsmen + Keeper + 4 solid bowlers

formula and gets 10 overs from part timers and do away with this fake all rounder bullsh!t.

[vvvslaxman]

7 and 8 are batting at 6 and 7. We have to lower our expectations

[Number]

8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

7 and 8 are batting at 6 and 7. We have to lower our expectations

 

Jadeja is not good enough to be a pure bowler so he isn't a number 8 really. If he is only good enough for his soft runs then I don't think he should be in playing XI.

[Majestic]

20 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

7 and 8 are batting at 6 and 7. We have to lower our expectations

They are more competent of batting at 6 and 7 rather than bowling at 7 and 8.

 

Pandya and Jadeja both are fifth bowlers so both suited to 7 in terms of bowling.

 

Batting wise, Pandya has produced better output but to get better output combined from both, we can have Jadeja at 6 and Pandya at 7 if we lose 4 wickets under 35 overs.

[Majestic]

11 minutes ago, Number said:

 

Jadeja is not good enough to be a pure bowler so he isn't a number 8 really. If he is only good enough for his soft runs then I don't think he should be in playing XI.

Maybe ask Jadeja at bat at 6 and get more from his batting. Let Pandya take the hitting role which he used to do well earlier( atleast as per Indian standards).

[jf1gp_1]

Most teams have similar players who are performing similar roles. Not much to choose between Stonis or Sanaka vs Pandya or Shadab and Jaddu. All boils down to how effectively they are used. 

[deepdynamo]

The problem is the number they are batting.

 

Jadeja could have been groomed at No.4 and that would have opened up so many other options.

 

But pandya at 6 and Jadeja at 7 is reciepe for disaster.

 

Teams are playing with 6 speclaist batsman ( even 7) but we are stuck with just 5 genuine batsman+ 2 (fake) allrounders.

[jf1gp_1]

50 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

The problem is the number they are batting.

 

Jadeja could have been groomed at No.4 and that would have opened up so many other options.

 

But pandya at 6 and Jadeja at 7 is reciepe for disaster.

 

Teams are playing with 6 speclaist batsman ( even 7) but we are stuck with just 5 genuine batsman+ 2 (fake) allrounders.

name countries that are playing 7 specialist batsmen

Edited September 2, 2023 by jf1gp_1

[Number]

17 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

name countries that are playing 7 specialist batsmen

 

Lets not compare us with Sri Lanka or others if we really aim to win the world cup. We had MS and Raina at 6 and 7 in 2011. They could finish, they could consolidate, they could bat with the tail. Look how much value both of them added. 

I know we don't have personnel of their calibre at our disposal now but Jaddu and Pandya need to take that sort of responsibility for us to have chances of winning.

[jf1gp_1]

29 minutes ago, Number said:

Lets not compare us with Sri Lanka or others if we really aim to win the world cup. We had MS and Raina at 6 and 7 in 2011. They could finish, they could consolidate, they could bat with the tail. Look how much value both of them added. 

I know we don't have personnel of their calibre at our disposal now but Jaddu and Pandya need to take that sort of responsibility for us to have chances of winning.

I agree. I dont think we are going anywhere without those two contributing specially when we have Ishan or Rahul at 5. 

[raki05]

I don’t know why we need 6 bowlers, Jadeja/Pandya only one of them should play whoever can bowl max overs no. 6 should have been Tillak, Iyer and Tilak can bowle 4-5 overs together in case fake allrounder couldn’t complete his quota. But we should absolutely go wirh 6 pure batters and only one fake allrounder out of these 2.But you cant expect brave decision from this TM.

Edited September 2, 2023 by raki05

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Number said:

 

Lets not compare us with Sri Lanka or others if we really aim to win the world cup. We had MS and Raina at 6 and 7 in 2011. They could finish, they could consolidate, they could bat with the tail. Look how much value both of them added. 

I know we don't have personnel of their calibre at our disposal now but Jaddu and Pandya need to take that sort of responsibility for us to have chances of winning.

That was several years back.

 

Who was England's no.7 in WC 2019?

[Number]

15 minutes ago, Majestic said:

That was several years back.

 

Who was England's no.7 in WC 2019?

 

If I recall correctly they started with

 

Roy-Bairstow-Root-Morgan-Stokes-Butler-Moeen-Woakes

 

Later they had to replace Moeen due to poor form.

 

 

 

 

[wanted_desi]

They don't even take responsibility with bowl as well.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Number said:

 

If I recall correctly they started with

 

Roy-Bairstow-Root-Morgan-Stokes-Butler-Moeen-Woakes

 

Later they had to replace Moeen due to poor form.

 

 

 

 

Stokes at 5 and another A/R at 7. That's how they won the tournament that year. India have kept their hopes on Jadeja's improved batting to contribute as much as Pandya and both are basically 5th bowler, good enough to bowl 6-7 overs but not more.

[vvvslaxman]

24 minutes ago, wanted_desi said:

They don't even take responsibility with bowl as well.

 

Jaddu bowls between 10th and 40th over mostly. He sneaks in 8 overs or so during that phase sometimes all 10 overs.  Gets away with good ER. 

[Nikhil_cric]

Yes, Jadeja will score a 50 at 70 strike rate and book his place for 2027 World Cup. 

[Majestic]

This is a different era from 2000s one. Nowadays, if you are 4 down, batsman will still score at 90+ SR but back in that time, you could have get few quick overs from your 6th bowler( like Viru, Sachin, Yuvi).

 

Today, part time bowling has no legitimacy. Ishan Kishan won't be afraid of smashing full tosses( from a main spinner) at 70/4 and you think he or Pandya won't attack vs part timers. The only guy who will bat like this is 1992 is KL Rahul.

Edited September 2, 2023 by Majestic

[Number]

Jaddu again disappointing.

Pandya does well. Really impressed with his temperament. 

[Majestic]

4 minutes ago, Number said:

Jaddu again disappointing.

Pandya does well. Really impressed with his temperament. 

Jaddu can contribute with bowl and impress everyone.