Number Posted September 2, 2023 Author Share Posted September 2, 2023 17 minutes ago, Majestic said: Jaddu can contribute with bowl and impress everyone. Yeah but he needs to bat well also. His dismissal was very poor. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 46 minutes ago, Majestic said: Jaddu can contribute with bowl and impress everyone. The position he bats he has to do a lot more than this. No.7 used to be a batting position of specialist batsman like Raina, Kedar. With current team we have 3 problems. Predictably collapsing top order in crucnh games, dud lower middle order, horrible tailenders Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: The position he bats he has to do a lot more than this. No.7 used to be a batting position of specialist batsman like Raina, Kedar. With current team we have 3 problems. Predictably collapsing top order in crucnh games, dud lower middle order, horrible tailenders That was way back in 2011 and it was an ATG batting lineup( India's best ever). Jadeja has capability as batsman but it seems he bring his best when he is in conform zone of batting, i.e, take your time, rotate strike and then play your shots. It works in Tests but in LOIs, 6 and 7 are positions where everything happens fast. He needs to change his batting position and continue bowling 7-8 overs every match. Lord 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Majestic said: That was way back in 2011 and it was an ATG batting lineup( India's best ever). Jadeja has capability as batsman but it seems he bring his best when he is in conform zone of batting, i.e, take your time, rotate strike and then play your shots. It works in Tests but in LOIs, 6 and 7 are positions where everything happens fast. He needs to change his batting position and continue bowling 7-8 overs every match. He is a safe batsman. that's it. He is not suitable for many different situations. Probably they should try him as opener. Anyway our batsmen are tuktuking upfront. But Jaddu tuk tuks all the way. His strike rate in the last 2 or 3 years is mere 59. Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: He is a safe batsman. that's it. He is not suitable for many different situations. Probably they should try him as opener. Anyway our batsmen are tuktuking upfront. But Jaddu tuk tuks all the way. His strike rate in the last 2 or 3 years is mere 59. Yes even since 2019, his strike rate was 81 inspite of having an average in mid-40s. I also think India should probably think of playing Axar or Washington as an extra batting option because this batting lineup is not capable of playing 50 overs consistently vs good sides. Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: He is a safe batsman. that's it. He is not suitable for many different situations. Probably they should try him as opener. Anyway our batsmen are tuktuking upfront. But Jaddu tuk tuks all the way. His strike rate in the last 2 or 3 years is mere 59. His T20 SR last 3 year is 145. In ODIs he played very few games where quick runs werent needed (except Chennai game v Aus) Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Majestic said: Yes even since 2019, his strike rate was 81 inspite of having an average in mid-40s. I also think India should probably think of playing Axar or Washington as an extra batting option because this batting lineup is not capable of playing 50 overs consistently vs good sides. Axar can't save from collapses even. Sundar is good but stays injured. Very tough to back. Shahbaz could have been tried or Parag Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lord said: Axar can't save from collapses even. Sundar is good but stays injured. Very tough to back. Shahbaz could have been tried or Parag I am referring to no.8 spot. Extra batting is needed for this fragile batting lineup. Axar or Sundar can be extra batsman and played at different positions based on match situation. Axar probably a good choice at 8 in today's game while Sundar can also play 360, don't necessarily need a 150+ SR batter, just someone who can score 30 runs consistently in the end in 20-22 balls. Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Just now, Majestic said: I am referring to no.8 spot. Extra batting is needed for this fragile batting lineup. Axar or Sundar can be extra batsman and played at different positions based on match situation. Axar probably a good choice at 8 in today's game while Sundar can also play 360, don't necessarily need a 150+ SR batter, just someone who can score 30 runs consistently in the end in 20-22 balls. no. 8 should first be a top bowler. Can't sacrifice bowling quality for batting for last 5-10 overs( that too not every game). Guys like Naseem, Mujeeb have improved their batting. Our bowlers havent except Bumrah. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 Axar and/or Sundar. Both will do a better job than Fraudujaa (in all depts). Can Fraudujaa be replaced? Does he also hv a dedicated PR team on SM, like Lolhi & Vada Pav hv? Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Frustrated said: Axar and/or Sundar. Both will do a better job than Fraudujaa (in all depts). Can Fraudujaa be replaced? Does he also hv a dedicated PR team on SM, like Lolhi & Vada Pav hv? Dhoni/CSK PR works for him too. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 IIRC, Frauduja was dropped from white ball squad (t20 and Odi) immediately after the CT2017 debacle. Then, a year later, he miraculously made an entry into the LOI side in Asia Cup 2018. Not sure on what basis? Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Frustrated said: IIRC, Frauduja was dropped from white ball squad (t20 and Odi) immediately after the CT2017 debacle. Then, a year later, he miraculously made an entry into the LOI side in Asia Cup 2018. Not sure on what basis? Pandya was injured and we needed an AR. Did well in that tourney IIRC though. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Lord said: Pandya was injured and we needed an AR. Did well in that tourney IIRC though. Oh..k. thats true. Pandya got injured while bowling against Poyz in that Asia cup. The injury was severe. And he remained out of the squad for 6-7 months. Lord 1 Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Frustrated said: IIRC, Frauduja was dropped from white ball squad (t20 and Odi) immediately after the CT2017 debacle. Then, a year later, he miraculously made an entry into the LOI side in Asia Cup 2018. Not sure on what basis? 4 minutes ago, Lord said: Pandya was injured and we needed an AR. Did well in that tourney IIRC though. Jadeja's real comeback was the knock he played vs New Zealand in World Cup 2019. Post that, India probably realised we can pick two all rounders now, one at 6 and 7. There were middle order woes also and also the spin duo, Chahal and Kuldeep were tailenders. Lord and Frustrated 2 Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Majestic said: Jadeja's real comeback was the knock he played vs New Zealand in World Cup 2019. Post that, India probably realised we can pick two all rounders now, one at 6 and 7. There were middle order woes also and also the spin duo, Chahal and Kuldeep were tailenders. Our big problem is bowlers not working on batting and vice versa. Kuldeep if anything has regressed as a bat. Only Bumrah has improved. Frustrated and AuxiliA 2 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, Frustrated said: Axar and/or Sundar. Both will do a better job than Fraudujaa (in all depts). Can Fraudujaa be replaced? Does he also hv a dedicated PR team on SM, like Lolhi & Vada Pav hv? If Pandya is bowling 7-8 overs we need Tilak with his part time off spin. We should play him against Nepal but Dravid phattu won't ever give him chance. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: The position he bats he has to do a lot more than this. No.7 used to be a batting position of specialist batsman like Raina, Kedar. With current team we have 3 problems. Predictably collapsing top order in crucnh games, dud lower middle order, horrible tailenders Also, Raina didn't bowled much in 2011 WC. He played as Specialist bat. Yuvraj bowled a lot and performed with bat as well. It was a great all round performance from him in that tournament. Edited September 2, 2023 by Majestic Link to comment
Lord Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Majestic said: Also, Raina didn't bowled much in 2011 WC. He played as Specialist bat. Yuvraj bowled a lot and performed with bat as well. Don't think we can bowl part timers with current fielding restrictions. Dhoni stopped bowling Yuvraj/part timers. immediately after rules were changed Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 2, 2023 Share Posted September 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Lord said: Our big problem is bowlers not working on batting and vice versa. Kuldeep if anything has regressed as a bat. Only Bumrah has improved. Bumrah is a fast learner and that's why he is special. He was a proper tailender when he started, same as Yuzi. Now, Bumrah can be relied to bat at 9 while Yuzi is still a 11. Lord 1 Link to comment
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