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1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

On a turning track where India lost all their 10 wickets to spinners for the first time in ODI history. This is more like doing the expected job against a much lower ranked side.

I think we have most of the boxes ticked at the moment except for no.8. Ofcourse, every player will have occasional failures, the only thing that India would wish is that in the WC knockouts, this occasional failure doesn't happen for everyone.

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3 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I think we have most of the boxes ticked at the moment except for no.8. Ofcourse, every player will have occasional failures, the only thing that India would wish is that in the WC knockouts, this occasional failure doesn't happen for everyone.

 

4 and 5 is totally confused. Who are you putting there. We need Iyer

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4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

I think we have most of the boxes ticked at the moment except for no.8. Ofcourse, every player will have occasional failures, the only thing that India would wish is that in the WC knockouts, this occasional failure doesn't happen for everyone.

 

Not convinced about finishing. When KL Rahul got out India 154/4  We added 59 for the loss of 6 wickets in the next 20 overs. Same story keeps happening. It is almost like India's top 7 have to bat 49 overs. 

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12 minutes ago, SM2907 said:

 

4 and 5 is totally confused. Who are you putting there. We need Iyer

Iyer, Rahul and Kishan all averaging mid-40s. All of them can do the job, it's about who is fit and ready to play. Rahul has been excellent in middle order and he showed it after injury too. Kishan gives you a left handed option and accelerates faster than most after getting to 50. Iyer is a spin basher and we need one player like that. But Kishan can also bash spin too so I don't think it's a worry.

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10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Not convinced about finishing. When KL Rahul got out India 154/4  We added 59 for the loss of 6 wickets in the next 20 overs. Same story keeps happening. It is almost like India's top 7 have to bat 49 overs. 

Well, that's part of the game. Last match, India were 66/4 and reached 266 too. At one point, we were eyeing for 300 even. Jadeja has been flop with bat but I am sure he will get runs soon too. He is doing the job with bowl which is expected more from #7. If he can make some impact with bat, that's the only thing we want to see. And no.8 seems an issue because it is not contributing with bowl.

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1 hour ago, Majestic said:

Well, that's part of the game. Last match, India were 66/4 and reached 266 too. At one point, we were eyeing for 300 even. Jadeja has been flop with bat but I am sure he will get runs soon too. He is doing the job with bowl which is expected more from #7. If he can make some impact with bat, that's the only thing we want to see. And no.8 seems an issue because it is not contributing with bowl.

On flat tracks it is likely 3 or 4 bowlers go missing on the same day. We cannot expect every bowler to click all the time. Thakur has taken wickets albeit at higher economy rate. Having Shami may give us a look of great bowling unit. The day our bowlers get cartered around we will have to rely on top 5 to outbat the opposition. A couple of miscue shots from a couple of players we will be in soup. We are talking about having a near perfect game every single match.

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2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

On flat tracks it is likely 3 or 4 bowlers go missing on the same day. We cannot expect every bowler to click all the time. Thakur has taken wickets albeit at higher economy rate. Having Shami may give us a look of great bowling unit. The day our bowlers get cartered around we will have to rely on top 5 to outbat the opposition. A couple of miscue shots from a couple of players we will be in soup. We are talking about having a near perfect game every single match.

I really think we just don't have a proper option at 8. Shardul has made a name for himself that he picks wickets when nothing is working but in two major LOI games, he was part of bowling attack and we conceded 151/0 to Pakistan and 169/0 to England. In a big game, there is every chance that Thakur gets brutally smashed and not even pick any wicket.

 

Having said that, Shami doesn't solve our problem at #8 either and I thought in spin friendly conditions, Axar is the closest to solving that problem but yesterday, he was extremely ordinary.

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9 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Shreyas has to come in for Ishan. What is the point of an LHB in the middle order if he can't even take down a positive match up in Wellalage? 

 

Can't react on each innings. Did well v Pak so deserves some rope. Anyway it was a tough pitch and he did get a start atleast. 

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5 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

So no LHB in the top 6? I wonder what can go wrong?

I want an LHB in the top 6. In fact, as opener.  Do you see that happening ? 

 

Kishan cannot hit left arm spin. Forget about away spin.  On a Chennai or Delhi pitch , he will struggle against spin in the middle. 

 

He will be playing Zampa/Agar/Travis Head at Chennai and Afghan spinners on a spinning Kotla pitch in Delhi.

 

Those 2 games, he is absolutely gonna flop in the middle order .

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I want an LHB in the top 6. In fact, as opener.  Do you see that happening ? 

 

Kishan cannot hit left arm spin. Forget about away spin.  On a Chennai or Delhi pitch , he will struggle against spin in the middle. 

 

He will be playing Zampa/Agar/Travis Head at Chennai and Afghan spinners on a spinning Kotla pitch in Delhi.

 

Those 2 games, he is absolutely gonna flop in the middle order .

 

 

 

 

Zampa can turn both ways. So there is no such thing as match up against him

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4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

Zampa can turn both ways. So there is no such thing as match up against him

By match up, I meant that if he can't even take on a positive match up then he has no chance against the best ODI spinner on a Chennai wicket or Rashid and Mujeeb on a Kotla wicket.  They'll eat him alive. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

I want an LHB in the top 6. In fact, as opener.  Do you see that happening ? 

 

Kishan cannot hit left arm spin. Forget about away spin.  On a Chennai or Delhi pitch , he will struggle against spin in the middle. 

 

He will be playing Zampa/Agar/Travis Head at Chennai and Afghan spinners on a spinning Kotla pitch in Delhi.

 

Those 2 games, he is absolutely gonna flop in the middle order .

 

 

If kishen will struggle I shudder to think how Kohli, gill, and Rahul will play against them.

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1 hour ago, Laaloo said:

If kishen will struggle I shudder to think how Kohli, gill, and Rahul will play against them.

Rahul played spin better than anybody else yesterday.  They all have weaknesses but it's mostly against away spin.  

 

This guy can't play spin turning into him either and can't rotate strike . 

 

 

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