Frustrated Posted September 12, 2023 Share Posted September 12, 2023 They hv taken responsibility finally. But with the ball. . Wont mind it. Lord 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 6 hours ago, Frustrated said: They hv taken responsibility finally. But with the ball. . Wont mind it. On a turning track where India lost all their 10 wickets to spinners for the first time in ODI history. This is more like doing the expected job against a much lower ranked side. Frustrated 1 Link to comment
zen Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 On good batting surface, lower middle order is not going to get too many opportunities to bat. On tough wickets, they cannot bat as if the wicket is flat when other batsmen, including those who stats pad on flat wickets, are struggling! Link to comment
SM2907 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Jadeja family is into politics now. Much better than being a cricketer. He has not motivation left to play Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: On a turning track where India lost all their 10 wickets to spinners for the first time in ODI history. This is more like doing the expected job against a much lower ranked side. I think we have most of the boxes ticked at the moment except for no.8. Ofcourse, every player will have occasional failures, the only thing that India would wish is that in the WC knockouts, this occasional failure doesn't happen for everyone. Link to comment
SM2907 Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 3 minutes ago, Majestic said: I think we have most of the boxes ticked at the moment except for no.8. Ofcourse, every player will have occasional failures, the only thing that India would wish is that in the WC knockouts, this occasional failure doesn't happen for everyone. 4 and 5 is totally confused. Who are you putting there. We need Iyer Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Majestic said: I think we have most of the boxes ticked at the moment except for no.8. Ofcourse, every player will have occasional failures, the only thing that India would wish is that in the WC knockouts, this occasional failure doesn't happen for everyone. Not convinced about finishing. When KL Rahul got out India 154/4 We added 59 for the loss of 6 wickets in the next 20 overs. Same story keeps happening. It is almost like India's top 7 have to bat 49 overs. Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, SM2907 said: 4 and 5 is totally confused. Who are you putting there. We need Iyer Iyer, Rahul and Kishan all averaging mid-40s. All of them can do the job, it's about who is fit and ready to play. Rahul has been excellent in middle order and he showed it after injury too. Kishan gives you a left handed option and accelerates faster than most after getting to 50. Iyer is a spin basher and we need one player like that. But Kishan can also bash spin too so I don't think it's a worry. Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Not convinced about finishing. When KL Rahul got out India 154/4 We added 59 for the loss of 6 wickets in the next 20 overs. Same story keeps happening. It is almost like India's top 7 have to bat 49 overs. Well, that's part of the game. Last match, India were 66/4 and reached 266 too. At one point, we were eyeing for 300 even. Jadeja has been flop with bat but I am sure he will get runs soon too. He is doing the job with bowl which is expected more from #7. If he can make some impact with bat, that's the only thing we want to see. And no.8 seems an issue because it is not contributing with bowl. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Majestic said: Well, that's part of the game. Last match, India were 66/4 and reached 266 too. At one point, we were eyeing for 300 even. Jadeja has been flop with bat but I am sure he will get runs soon too. He is doing the job with bowl which is expected more from #7. If he can make some impact with bat, that's the only thing we want to see. And no.8 seems an issue because it is not contributing with bowl. On flat tracks it is likely 3 or 4 bowlers go missing on the same day. We cannot expect every bowler to click all the time. Thakur has taken wickets albeit at higher economy rate. Having Shami may give us a look of great bowling unit. The day our bowlers get cartered around we will have to rely on top 5 to outbat the opposition. A couple of miscue shots from a couple of players we will be in soup. We are talking about having a near perfect game every single match. Link to comment
Majestic Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: On flat tracks it is likely 3 or 4 bowlers go missing on the same day. We cannot expect every bowler to click all the time. Thakur has taken wickets albeit at higher economy rate. Having Shami may give us a look of great bowling unit. The day our bowlers get cartered around we will have to rely on top 5 to outbat the opposition. A couple of miscue shots from a couple of players we will be in soup. We are talking about having a near perfect game every single match. I really think we just don't have a proper option at 8. Shardul has made a name for himself that he picks wickets when nothing is working but in two major LOI games, he was part of bowling attack and we conceded 151/0 to Pakistan and 169/0 to England. In a big game, there is every chance that Thakur gets brutally smashed and not even pick any wicket. Having said that, Shami doesn't solve our problem at #8 either and I thought in spin friendly conditions, Axar is the closest to solving that problem but yesterday, he was extremely ordinary. Edited September 13, 2023 by Majestic Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 Shreyas has to come in for Ishan. What is the point of an LHB in the middle order if he can't even take down a positive match up in Wellalage? Link to comment
Lord Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 9 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: Shreyas has to come in for Ishan. What is the point of an LHB in the middle order if he can't even take down a positive match up in Wellalage? Can't react on each innings. Did well v Pak so deserves some rope. Anyway it was a tough pitch and he did get a start atleast. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 10 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: Shreyas has to come in for Ishan. What is the point of an LHB in the middle order if he can't even take down a positive match up in Wellalage? So no LHB in the top 6? I wonder what can go wrong? IndiaWC8311, Norman and Lord 2 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, Laaloo said: So no LHB in the top 6? I wonder what can go wrong? I want an LHB in the top 6. In fact, as opener. Do you see that happening ? Kishan cannot hit left arm spin. Forget about away spin. On a Chennai or Delhi pitch , he will struggle against spin in the middle. He will be playing Zampa/Agar/Travis Head at Chennai and Afghan spinners on a spinning Kotla pitch in Delhi. Those 2 games, he is absolutely gonna flop in the middle order . Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 16 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: I want an LHB in the top 6. In fact, as opener. Do you see that happening ? Kishan cannot hit left arm spin. Forget about away spin. On a Chennai or Delhi pitch , he will struggle against spin in the middle. He will be playing Zampa/Agar/Travis Head at Chennai and Afghan spinners on a spinning Kotla pitch in Delhi. Those 2 games, he is absolutely gonna flop in the middle order . Zampa can turn both ways. So there is no such thing as match up against him Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Zampa can turn both ways. So there is no such thing as match up against him By match up, I meant that if he can't even take on a positive match up then he has no chance against the best ODI spinner on a Chennai wicket or Rashid and Mujeeb on a Kotla wicket. They'll eat him alive. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: I want an LHB in the top 6. In fact, as opener. Do you see that happening ? Kishan cannot hit left arm spin. Forget about away spin. On a Chennai or Delhi pitch , he will struggle against spin in the middle. He will be playing Zampa/Agar/Travis Head at Chennai and Afghan spinners on a spinning Kotla pitch in Delhi. Those 2 games, he is absolutely gonna flop in the middle order . If kishen will struggle I shudder to think how Kohli, gill, and Rahul will play against them. Lord 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted September 13, 2023 Share Posted September 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Laaloo said: If kishen will struggle I shudder to think how Kohli, gill, and Rahul will play against them. Rahul played spin better than anybody else yesterday. They all have weaknesses but it's mostly against away spin. This guy can't play spin turning into him either and can't rotate strike . Link to comment
Number Posted September 15, 2023 Author Share Posted September 15, 2023 Jadeja once again fails when the team needs him with the bat. Weakest no. 7 batsman in all top 8-9 teams. Link to comment
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