Alam_dar Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, bharathh said: Are there instances of the IDF doing what the Hamas have done in Gaza or the West Bank unannounced? They have kidnapped women, children etc.? Suddenly gone to a residential area and gone house to house killing people? When have the IDF been the first to attack the Palestinians - esp civilians? In fact they have paraded naked, broken women on the streets spitting on them etc. Yes, Israel didn't commit these crimes. But Israel committed other intentional crimes, which resulted in the death of Palestinian citizens. 2 hours ago, bharathh said: Why not get rid of Hamas for so many years? They cry hoarse about Israel which - despite being the enemy - provides them everything from food to water to medical facilities. Why have the Palestinians (who get so much aid every year) not been able to develop? Hamas was not even present there in 1967. It was also not a force till 1991. The Palestinian people were very much secular and free of religion under Fateh of Yasir Arafat. Still today, Hamas support is only 31%. This narrative is not beneficial that Israel is INNOCENT.
bharathh Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 21 minutes ago, Alam_dar said: Yes, Israel didn't commit these crimes. But Israel committed other intentional crimes, which resulted in the death of Palestinian citizens. Hamas was not even present there in 1967. It was also not a force till 1991. The Palestinian people were very much secular and free of religion under Fateh of Yasir Arafat. Still today, Hamas support is only 31%. This narrative is not beneficial that Israel is INNOCENT. Such as? And what happened preceeding that? Hamas is just another offshoot of the PLO which orchestrated the Munich massacre. Still haven't answered any of the other questions I asked. Noone has said Israel is innocent. If Israel did what the Palestinians and Arabs have been doing since 1947 - starting wars, constant terrorism then they wouldn't have the support they have today.
dial_100 Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 Pakistani's terrorists came to india and killed innocent citizens arbitrarily. KP never took arms and they have lost their land. Pak hindus & Sikhs never took to armed-struggle against bakis. Their generations have been finished, girls kidnapped, raped, converted & killed. The same thing goes for many other examples. This is all nonsense. coffee_rules 1
bharathh Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 These for example never make the light of day. Tell me how different was this from what happened on Oct 7 in Israel? If the Hamas had larger numbers and the Israel more in number - this is exactly what would have happened. The scale of atrocities is unimaginable! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Rawalpindi_massacres https://organiser.org/2017/11/14/119697/bharat/special-story-j-k-a-jauhar-in-rajouri-2/ https://hindupost.in/news/the-mirpur-massacre-of-november-1947-18k-hindu-sikhs-killed-when-100-girls-in-a-arya-samaj-hostel-jumped-into-a-well/
Lone Wolf Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 This is such a amazing takedown of Piers... Absolute brutal... Getting viral now
Lone Wolf Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, dial_100 said: Pakistani's terrorists came to india and killed innocent citizens arbitrarily. KP never took arms and they have lost their land. Pak hindus & Sikhs never took to armed-struggle against bakis. Their generations have been finished, girls kidnapped, raped, converted & killed. The same thing goes for many other examples. This is all nonsense. KP's were roughly minor in number compared to majority... While they have been a peaceful community they always needed support of others to stand a chance in Kashmir... Sikhs under Ranjit Singh to free them of Afghan atrocities & later on Dogras of Jammu protected them in their reign. Hindus in Hilly areas of JK where there is terror activity & overwhelming Muslim Population keep licensed arms provided by GoI and are trained as well to use it. It started in 90's itself the VDC program. Situation is hopeless for Pak minorities as they don't have any rights at all in an Islamic Republic. They can't be helped unless they had tried to lobby hard in the West & sought support of Anti Pak countries. And no support came their way. Now Baloch insurgency is aided by countries like Iran & KPK has always been a clusterf*k wrt to Taliban & greater Afghanistan ambition.
mishra Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Hamas Terrorist Rocket misfires and destroys Hospital and Al Jazeera blamed Israel. Details now being putout that they were Firing from cemetery behind Hospital and panic phone chatter of them misfiring and hitting the hospital No one will condemn this now as Terrorists hit it Edited October 18, 2023 by mishra
mishra Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Hamas was not even present there in 1967. It was also not a force till 1991. The Palestinian people were very much secular and free of religion under Fateh of Yasir Arafat. Still today, Hamas support is only 31%. PLO had complete extermination of Israel on its charter. Gazans voted for PLO. But all the pressure of peace made them remove that one liner from charter, Gazans overthrew PLO and Hamas Government came to power as they maintain complete extermination of Israel in charter as well as by action So go and sulk somewhere where uneducated live Edited October 18, 2023 by mishra coffee_rules 1
bharathh Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 27 minutes ago, mishra said: Hamas Terrorist Rocket misfires and destroys Hospital and Al Jazeera blamed Israel. Details now being putout that they were Firing from cemetery behind Hospital and panic phone chatter of them misfiring and hitting the hospital No one will condemn this now as Terrorists hit it Palestinians apparently have a tweet that it was the Israelis. mishra 1
diga Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said: This is such a amazing takedown of Piers... Absolute brutal... Getting viral now 1/1 Skip Ad Continue watching after the ad Visit Advertiser websiteGO TO PAGE That guy may talk more, but he doesnt have patience to listen to another's viewpoint... keeps skirting around questions
diga Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 44 minutes ago, mishra said: Hamas Terrorist Rocket misfires and destroys Hospital and Al Jazeera blamed Israel. Details now being putout that they were Firing from cemetery behind Hospital and panic phone chatter of them misfiring and hitting the hospital No one will condemn this now as Terrorists hit it NYTimes which positions itself left of centre changed its headline 3 times.. See the image coffee_rules and mishra 2
deathmonger Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 As soon as Iran, Russia and China got in, Gaza was *ed. Americans and Europeans are going to do everything to support Israel now. Most Americans/Europeans hate muslims anyhow (especially Europeans cause they have issues with their muslim minorities).
BacktoCricaddict Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 These voices need to get louder and be heard more. https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/16/opinions/israel-hamas-gaza-palestinians-oppose-terror-mohammed/index.html Quote When my father, who was born and raised in Gaza, was still alive, he often spoke out against Hamas, calling it the ugly face of the Palestinian struggle everywhere. Yasmine Mohammed Courtesy Yasmine Mohammed Since Hamas’ attack on Israel, as I have read post after post on social media referring to Hamas as freedom fighters involved in anti-colonial resistance, I have been struck by the devastating weight of this lie. It is an insult to Palestinians to refer to these terrorists as our freedom fighters. At the hands of Hamas, the Jewish people have endured horrors not seen since the Holocaust. And, like the Nazis, Hamas does not view Jewish people as human beings. According to its 1988 covenant, every Jew must be eradicated from this earth. Its goal is not the genocide of Jewish people in Israel; its goal is the genocide of all Jewish people on this planet, period. coffee_rules 1
coffee_rules Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) Del Edited October 18, 2023 by coffee_rules
coffee_rules Posted October 18, 2023 Posted October 18, 2023 5 hours ago, diga said: NYTimes which positions itself left of centre changed its headline 3 times.. See the image So, pretty sure the first image will go viral in WA groups and SM media and in radical videos that recruit terrorists. mishra 1
ravishingravi Posted October 18, 2023 Author Posted October 18, 2023 Palestinians perspective Probably the most elaborate and honest perspective from the other side. And he is not wrong.
Number Posted October 19, 2023 Posted October 19, 2023 Hamas is a ruling governing body in Gaza. They carry out terrorist attacks in Israel and then hide among civilians. I am sorry but what choice does Israel have here other than indiscriminate attack ? mishra 1
ravishingravi Posted October 19, 2023 Author Posted October 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Number said: Hamas is a ruling governing body in Gaza. They carry out terrorist attacks in Israel and then hide among civilians. I am sorry but what choice does Israel have here other than indiscriminate attack ? Question is what is the end goal and how is this move going to help achieve it. BacktoCricaddict 1
mishra Posted October 19, 2023 Posted October 19, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 1:42 PM, BigFish11 said: Anyone finding Indians over support to Isreal bit too much. I'm totally against Hamas and believe they need to be dealt with, but it's quite shocking to see so many comments from Indians on Twitter threads almost celebrating the tragedies in Palestine. I thought our main beef is with Pakistan, why are we antagonizing every Arabic nation. I am not sure you are indian or not but i can tell you my experience. I distinctly recall old tv news when my dad used to watch and curse Israel as tv showed Palestinian protestors clasing Israeli forces using tear gas and batons. I think one day he was very happy to hear some news on Arafaat. May be it was him getting released from Israeli prison. So that was view of Indians till late 80ss early 90s about Israel Palestine. But then we had first hand experience of Pakistani sponsored terrorism in Kashmir and it made people empathetic and then sympathetic to Israel and Jews. We now know what terrorist are capable of and have no sympathy with terrorists or their cause.
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