Muloghonto Posted March 25 Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Vilander said: Because illegal immigration is illegal. It's illegal in host nation. Not from donor nation. Explain why donor nation should care when the donor nation profits.
Vilander Posted March 25 Author Posted March 25 2 hours ago, Muloghonto said: It's illegal in host nation. Not from donor nation. Explain why donor nation should care when the donor nation profits. Because it's illegal and a result of criminal enterprise in the source and destination country and risks detention deportation sanction on your population. Pretty simple illegal. Vicks57 1
Vilander Posted March 25 Author Posted March 25 This is an interesting read , sladdresses the social cohesion which is lost due to illegal immigration and the role India can and should play. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/addressing-illegal-immigration-a-role-for-india-and-global-cooperation/article68903596.ece/amp/ "India faces immigration challenges, both domestically and in terms of emigration to western nations. A recent report showed that nearly 9,00,000 undocumented Indians were caught in the U.S., with half of them being from Gujarat. As a rising global power, India has an opportunity to lead efforts for regulated migration, reduce illegal routes, and promote international cooperation." Vicks57 1
Muloghonto Posted March 25 Posted March 25 5 minutes ago, Vilander said: Because it's illegal and a result of criminal enterprise in the source and destination country and risks detention deportation sanction on your population. Pretty simple illegal. It is not illegal in Indian law for Indian to illegally migrate elsewhere. So explain why India should care to stop something that isn't illegal in Indian law and benefits India financially and culturally ?? Your laws are not Indian laws and Indian laws are not yours. An illegal immigrant in your country is violating your law. Not any Indian law. Vicks57 1
Vicks57 Posted March 27 Posted March 27 On 3/25/2025 at 4:56 PM, Muloghonto said: It is not illegal in Indian law for Indian to illegally migrate elsewhere. So explain why India should care to stop something that isn't illegal in Indian law and benefits India financially and culturally ?? Your laws are not Indian laws and Indian laws are not yours. An illegal immigrant in your country is violating your law. Not any Indian law. This man is straight up retarded. He belongs in Kilpauk Medical Hospital.
Vilander Posted March 29 Author Posted March 29 On 3/25/2025 at 7:26 AM, Muloghonto said: It is not illegal in Indian law for Indian to illegally migrate elsewhere. So explain why India should care to stop something that isn't illegal in Indian law and benefits India financially and culturally ?? Your laws are not Indian laws and Indian laws are not yours. An illegal immigrant in your country is violating your law. Not any Indian law. Passport is source countries responsibility. Visa is target county. Once the person crosses port of exit into international space it's international law. When entering port of entry into national space it's that nations responsibility. Law is that if the jurisdiction. Legality of a criminal enterprise is clear in this case, but you know that already and want to just banaly argue which I am not interested in or have the time for. Vicks57 1
Muloghonto Posted March 29 Posted March 29 3 minutes ago, Vilander said: Passport is source countries responsibility. Visa is target county. Once the person crosses port of exit into international space it's international law. When entering port of entry into national space it's that nations responsibility. Law is that if the jurisdiction. Legality of a criminal enterprise is clear in this case, but you know that already and want to just banaly argue which I am not interested in or have the time for. Yes. Not when leaving. You the Indian citizen leaving India with valid passport and invalid visa is not Indian legal issue or Indian responsibility. A person with a legally valid means of acquiring passport is breaking no laws of HIS NATION by not following visa requirements of ANOTHER NATION. Having valid visa to leave homeland is not responsibility of homeland. It's responsibility of host nation. This is also legally clear is why usa can never take any punitive legal action on why we allowed illegal immigrants to leave our country and can only take carrot and stick approach for us to take back our citizens who are illegal immigrants. You also know this, but wanna argue like a pucca gora libbu joota-choos. Goras hate illegal immigrants of India? Boo hoo. They ain't breaking any Indian law and send money back to India. So Jai ho. Vicks57 1
Vilander Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 7 hours ago, Muloghonto said: This is also legally clear is why usa can never take any punitive legal action on Lol read and re read this.
Vilander Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 7 hours ago, Muloghonto said: but wanna argue like a pucca gora libbu joota-choos. Simple contradiction to name calling. You have fallen further. I think you will get only get similar web fellows if you keep at it. My last post engaging you here on this topic. Vicks57 1
Vilander Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 Indians needs to learn this quick that grass is not greener on the other side. "For hundreds of Gujaratis who entered the US illegally, the pursuit of a better life is turning into a desperate struggle." https://www.google.com/amp/s/timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/ahmedabad/deadly-us-dreams-illegal-migrants-face-wage-cuts-and-exploitation/amp_articleshow/118080787.cms Vicks57 1
Mariyam Posted March 30 Posted March 30 (edited) 7 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Yes. Not when leaving. You the Indian citizen leaving India with valid passport and invalid visa is not Indian legal issue or Indian responsibility. A person with a legally valid means of acquiring passport is breaking no laws of HIS NATION by not following visa requirements of ANOTHER NATION. Having valid visa to leave homeland is not responsibility of homeland. It's responsibility of host nation. This is also legally clear is why usa can never take any punitive legal action on why we allowed illegal immigrants to leave our country and can only take carrot and stick approach for us to take back our citizens who are illegal immigrants. You also know this, but wanna argue like a pucca gora libbu joota-choos. Goras hate illegal immigrants of India? Boo hoo. They ain't breaking any Indian law and send money back to India. So Jai ho. Re: the part in bold, you are over simplifying! Yes an Indian citizen (unless he has tampered with his passport, or has more than allowed Foreign currency) does not break any Indian laws when leaving India w/o a valid visa. However, countries have an understanding on these subjects. Most of these are bilateral agreements on travel covering air, sea and border crossings. Say a Bablu Ghosh were to try and board a flight from Kolkata ( legally purchased ticket) to Brazil and he doesn't hold a visa, he will be stopped at the immigration at Dumdum. They *will* not let him board. The immigration officer wouldn't say "isssh , amar ki problem, tumi jate chaahi te jao without visa". The reason being that if they let him, and he is caught in Rio de Janeiro without a valid visa, he is deported back the Indian consulate/embassy there has to (at least on paper) bear the costs. Edited March 30 by Mariyam cricketrulez 1
Vilander Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 2 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Re: the part in bold, you are over simplifying! Yes an Indian citizen (unless he has tampered with his passport, or has more than allowed Foreign currency) does not break any laws when leaving India. However, countries have an understanding on these days. Most of these are bilateral agreements on travel covering air, sea and border crossing. Say a Bablu Ghosh were to try and board a flight from Kolkata ( legally purchased ticket) to Brazil and he doesn't hold a visa, he will be stopped at the immigration at Dumdum. They *will* not let him board. The immigration officer wouldn't say "isssh , amar ki problem, tumi jate chaahi te jao without visa". The reason being that if they let him, and he is caught in Rio de Janeiro without a valid visa, he is deported back the Indian consulate/embassy there has to (at least on paper) bear the costs. Prudence and logic is useless here Mariam. He is arguing for the sake of argument.
Vilander Posted March 30 Author Posted March 30 How can the best state in India do so much illegal immigration? Where does that leave others ?. India should stop and think about this. Vicks57 1
Muloghonto Posted March 30 Posted March 30 12 hours ago, Vilander said: Simple contradiction to name calling. You have fallen further. I think you will get only get similar web fellows if you keep at it. My last post engaging you here on this topic. No contradiction, as lawyerni Here clarified. Illegal immigrants to west benefit India. That is as obvious as daylight. So why should indians oppose what bebefits India??
Muloghonto Posted March 30 Posted March 30 12 hours ago, Mariyam said: Re: the part in bold, you are over simplifying! Yes an Indian citizen (unless he has tampered with his passport, or has more than allowed Foreign currency) does not break any Indian laws when leaving India w/o a valid visa. However, countries have an understanding on these subjects. Most of these are bilateral agreements on travel covering air, sea and border crossings. Say a Bablu Ghosh were to try and board a flight from Kolkata ( legally purchased ticket) to Brazil and he doesn't hold a visa, he will be stopped at the immigration at Dumdum. They *will* not let him board. The immigration officer wouldn't say "isssh , amar ki problem, tumi jate chaahi te jao without visa". The reason being that if they let him, and he is caught in Rio de Janeiro without a valid visa, he is deported back the Indian consulate/embassy there has to (at least on paper) bear the costs. Yes. This is a courtesy we show to foreign nations we have good relations with. Same immigration officer will happily look other way when he gets mea directive to look the other way. It doesn't change the fact that Illegal immigration is not a crime for nation of origin. They will deport the illegals? Ok. It's a numbers game. If I send 10,000 illegals to your country, all of which send back remittances to me and you catch and send back 500, I still win the numbers game. This is why in Mexican govt website there is tips for illegal immigrants on how to cross the border successfully and not die or be scammed by the traffickers. Because no one is worse at looking at Indias self interest than libbu indians.
Muloghonto Posted March 30 Posted March 30 12 hours ago, Vilander said: How can the best state in India do so much illegal immigration? Where does that leave others ?. India should stop and think about this. Because best state in India understands illegal immigration to usa helps India. Vicks57 1
Vicks57 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 16 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Because best state in India understands illegal immigration to usa helps India. Oh the irony with this statement.
cricketrulez Posted March 31 Posted March 31 23 hours ago, Muloghonto said: Yes. This is a courtesy we show to foreign nations we have good relations with. Same immigration officer will happily look other way when he gets mea directive to look the other way. It doesn't change the fact that Illegal immigration is not a crime for nation of origin. They will deport the illegals? Ok. It's a numbers game. If I send 10,000 illegals to your country, all of which send back remittances to me and you catch and send back 500, I still win the numbers game. This is why in Mexican govt website there is tips for illegal immigrants on how to cross the border successfully and not die or be scammed by the traffickers. Because no one is worse at looking at Indias self interest than libbu indians. Any source for this?
jf1gp_1 Posted April 19 Posted April 19 Whats the whole Visa revocation going on in US ? I am sure impacted students also have something to hide .
Vilander Posted April 21 Author Posted April 21 https://english.gujaratsamachar.com/news/nri-news/australian-universities-ban-indian-students-from-gujarat-five-other-states-report Yet another feather on the cap.
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