If India manages to defeat each team comprehensively before KOs , then what's the point of SF and final?

[Trichromatic]

31 minutes ago, Texan said:

It's not really every other team in this WC either. Some teams got eliminated in the qualifying rounds. We did not play them. All sports have qualification tournaments. Other sports pick more teams in the main event because more teams are competitive, while in cricket, it is mainly 7-8 teams only taht are competitive. 

 

So what is your suggestion? Are you suggesting that if any team in such a tournament wins all games, then organizers should cancel all KO games and just declare that team the winner? Surely, you yourself will realize how foolish that would make the tournament and how would you organize a tournament where you don't even know whether KO games are needed or not?

 

That was not the world cup.

[Texan]

41 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

That was not the world cup.

?? It was the qualifying round to the WC, so very much part of the cup. 

 

You didn't respond about what your suggestion is in this scenario? Cancel all KO matches and hand over cup to the team that wins all league games? What if no team wins all matches? Should KO matches only be held if no team wins all league matches?

[Old guy]

best teams should be able to handle the pressure of knockouts.

 

just one more game 

[Trichromatic]

7 minutes ago, Texan said:

?? It was the qualifying round to the WC, so very much part of the cup. 

 

You didn't respond about what your suggestion is in this scenario? Cancel all KO matches and hand over cup to the team that wins all league games? What if no team wins all matches? Should KO matches only be held if no team wins all league matches?

 

So are bilaterals because those also determine which 8 teams will qualify. But those are not part of WC.

 

I will respond to other question later once this is clarified.

[Texan]

43 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

So are bilaterals because those also determine which 8 teams will qualify. But those are not part of WC.

 

I will respond to other question later once this is clarified.

LOL! You keep beating around the bush! Its okay. You can consider India as the champion and stop following the rest of the tournament. Like many others here pointed out to you, World Cup winners are not just about being the best team in the competition but being able to perform in crucial KO games. If it was a case of just winning the league phase, then it would be a World Championship League, not a World Cup.

 

Anyway, you are entitled to your opinion and in your book, you can record it as an Indian win. You can answer my question or not, it doesn't really matter.

 

By the way, while you have my attention, do fix the issue with ICF that I reported in the feedback section! It's been many months now and quite a frustrating experience.

[Texan]

On 11/14/2023 at 7:10 AM, ViruPaaji said:

I agree this format is not suited for WC.

 

Its more League type format. Where each team gets to play against all teams and at the end of the Season Wins, Draws and Losses are tallied and the Winner declared (Football Leagues etc)

 

For World cup there should always be 2-4 Groups. Followed by Knockouts QF, SF and F

 

This tournament deserved a IPL type rewarding system for table topper. 

This was tried in 2007 but because both India and Pakistan got knocked out early due to each of those teams having one bad game against a minnow, the World Cup didn't attract enough audience and viewership and hence, it was determined that teams should be afforded more leeway in having one or two bad games during the league phase. I think the current system is fair and entertaining. We get to watch each team playing the other in the league. The only change that could be considered is IPL style final phase where top 2 teams get one more chance when one of them loses.

Edited November 16 by Texan

[Lord]

This was the point of the final

[Frustrated]

24 minutes ago, Lord said:

This was the point of the final

Yes.   But unfortunately , according to some, we hv already won the WC in league stage.   

[Zero_Unit]

OP so much for your theory lol. 

Acing all the quiz and assignments before the final, only to fail miserably at the end 

[Serpico]

There's a reason why the KING who scored 750 runs in the span of a month couldn't buy a boundary in 20 overs today. He can hit them when failure doesn't scare him. He knows he can come back in the next match and hit another 100. But today there's no come back. So he just didn't have the heart/guts to do it today.

 

Travis head on the other hand never thought about next match come back. He only played 64 ODIs in his career, not even a guarantee pick in his team until a year ago. For him there's no next match, just this match.. this moment. He was ready to seize it 

 

I hope no one ever opens this kind of thread in 2025 or 2027, today should answer everything you need to know 

[SRT100]

3 hours ago, Serpico said:

There's a reason why the KING who scored 750 runs in the span of a month couldn't buy a boundary in 20 overs today. He can hit them when failure doesn't scare him. He knows he can come back in the next match and hit another 100. But today there's no come back. So he just didn't have the heart/guts to do it today.

 

Travis head on the other hand never thought about next match come back. He only played 64 ODIs in his career, not even a guarantee pick in his team until a year ago. For him there's no next match, just this match.. this moment. He was ready to seize it 

 

I hope no one ever opens this kind of thread in 2025 or 2027, today should answer everything you need to know 

Brilliant post.

 

Performances in Finals is all that matters, Stats and SR are meaningless if you fail on the  big occasion.

 

Aside from HItman, every Indian batsman failed. The bowlers bowled like we always knew they would prior to the WC. They failed when it mattered most.

 

A score of 241 while well under par, was at least a total that the bowlers could try and defend. They failed.

[zen]

Big tournaments are about knockout games. In fact, ICC should find a way to bring back QFs!

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, zen said:

Big tournaments are about knockout games. In fact, ICC should find a way to bring back QFs!

 

Quarter finals in cricket doesn't make sense. There're barely 6 decent teams. If you add QFs then the league stage is virtually useless as every team is already guaranteed a knockout spot. Qualifying for the SF spot still adds some relevance to the group stages else make it a one week tourney and start directly with QFs.

[zen]

17 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Quarter finals in cricket doesn't make sense. There're barely 6 decent teams. If you add QFs then the league stage is virtually useless as every team is already guaranteed a knockout spot. Qualifying for the SF spot still adds some relevance to the group stages else make it a one week tourney and start directly with QFs.

 

For e.g. in the future, the teams are likely to expand to 16 (with more associates). There can be 4 groups with 4 teams with QFs. 

[maniac]

It’s over reaction. World no.1 tennis player can lose a grand slam final to an unseeded player, teams can have a bad day in fifa wc, an Olympian who trains all his life can have one slip and out of Olympics without a medal or even competing: that’s the uncertainty of sport 

 

India won 10 matches, Australia won 9

 

India is 1-1 vs Aussies, Aussies are 1-1 vs India and SA, fair result in the end and not a fluke. 
 

Aussies deserved it and there is no guarantee if it was a best of 3, India would have won it either.

 

Nothing wrong with the format. The best teams made it to semis and the best team won and the 2nd best team lost the finals.

 

All fair 

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, zen said:

 

For e.g. in the future, the teams are likely to expand to 16 (with more associates). There can be 4 groups with 4 teams with QFs. 

 

Will lead to a lot of meaningless matches or luck playing a huge role. Imagine a match being rained off and a team is knocked out. Prefer the league type of format where the best teams reach the knockouts and the luck doesn't play such a huge role in who reaches the knockouts.

 

[Singh bling]

On 11/16/2023 at 9:08 AM, Texan said:

Other sports pick more teams in the main event because more teams are competitive, while in cricket, it is mainly 7-8 teams only taht are competitive

Actually Fifa WC winner is always from 7-8 teams while Cricket WC winner is always from 6-7 teams , not much difference