In 2023, India has 3 pacers bowling 150 kph+ .... Mayank Yadav, Kartik Tyagi and Umran Malik

[express bowling]

17 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Length needed to bowl in all the formats is different even accounting for varied conditions. Not all bowlers can adjust their lengths that well and at will.

Tbf personally I feel younger bowlers shouldn't play any or very little T20 cricket since even otherwise bad and erratic bowling can yet you rewards there and you don't learn how to set batsmen up or develop the stamina to bowl long and multiple spells.  Only when they don't manage to crack the longer formats can they look to add knuckle balls, cutters, yorkers, slower bouncers etc. 

 

 

ODI is the best format for initiating young quicks IMO.  

 

T20Is are too brutal. 

 

And they won't hand over test caps that easily. 

[singhvivek141]

22 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Length needed to bowl in all the formats is different even accounting for varied conditions. Not all bowlers can adjust their lengths that well and at will.

 

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

ODI is the best format for initiating young quicks IMO.  

 

T20Is are too brutal. 

 

And they won't hand over test caps that easily. 

 

Just like batters has to adapt to approach of 3 formats, bowlers also need to do the same.

Personally, I am not in favour of players playing all 3 formats, not everyone can be Kohli or Bumrah.

 

IMO Young quicks, need to be introduced first in the formats where they're most comfortable for. If a bowler has good yorkers & can easily vary his lengths..can be given debut in T20's or ODI's..while the bowlers who are capable of hitting the same area accurately bowl after bowl without loosing intensity, should graduate to Tests first.

 

Ex..Harshit Rana is better suited for Tests, he has fitness and a repeatable action. While Hangargekar is better suited for T20's due to his skill of bowling Yorkers and other variations which Harshit doesn't have at the moment.

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

Length needed to bowl in all the formats is different even accounting for varied conditions. Not all bowlers can adjust their lengths that well and at will.

Tbf personally I feel younger bowlers shouldn't play any or very little T20 cricket since even otherwise bad and erratic bowling can yet you rewards there and you don't learn how to set batsmen up or develop the stamina to bowl long and multiple spells.  Only when they don't manage to crack the longer formats can they look to add knuckle balls, cutters, yorkers, slower bouncers etc. 

Your point is correct,but what we doubt is their intention
 selectors have different intentions,I'm sure haven't chalked out a plan for all these quicks discussed here

If they plan them to slowly ease into loi cricket then I'm fine with it ,infact I feel same

T20s should be last format these newcomers play,not before settling and finding a groove in international cricket(tests,Odis)

Ideally they play afull domestic season,then A tours,matches and getting introduced in midst of that to international cricket

[rollingstoned]

27 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Your point is correct,but what we doubt is their intention
 selectors have different intentions,I'm sure haven't chalked out a plan for all these quicks discussed here

If they plan them to slowly ease into loi cricket then I'm fine with it ,infact I feel same

T20s should be last format these newcomers play,not before settling and finding a groove in international cricket(tests,Odis)

Ideally they play afull domestic season,then A tours,matches and getting introduced in midst of that to international cricket

For that you need a visionary captain who stubbornly sticks to his vision and backs players to come good through hell and high water over a period of time. Otherwise based only on domestic stats, you will always find the sort of bowlers we do not want in the team tearing it up every year who will be picked in national squads.

[AuxiliA]

Express pace bowlers peak during their mind 20's. By the time they hit 30 they start losing their pace and effectiveness. 

 

If we are serious about any of these bowlers then we should debut and groom them before they turn 25. 

[MK55]

Haven’t we seen enough evidence already?

 

New quick bowlers, (if lucky to get consistently selected in their ipl teams) if they perform really well in the ipl to an extent the media can’t ignore them, may get opportunities in a T20 series provided MOST of the usual members are rested.

 

What else are you guys expecting lol??

 

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, MK55 said:

Haven’t we seen enough evidence already?

 

New quick bowlers, (if lucky to get consistently selected in their ipl teams) if they perform really well in the ipl to an extent the media can’t ignore them, may get opportunities in a T20 series provided MOST of the usual members are rested.

 

What else are you guys expecting lol??

 

 

I want Mayank Yadav to play in the next ODI series. 

 

One should not ignore an accurate 150 k pacer who is doing well in domestic cricket.

 

Mayank was the 2nd highest wicket taker in the Zonal 50 over Deodhar Trophy. And his ER is pretty low. He has 28 wickets from just 12 List A matches.

Edited November 9, 2023 by express bowling

[MK55]

Just now, express bowling said:

 

I want Mayank Yadav to play in the next ODI series. 

 

One should not ignore an accurate 150 k pacer who is doing well in domestic cricket.

 

Mayank was the 2nd highest wicket taker in the Zonal 50 over Deodhar Trophy. And his ER is pretty low. He has 28 wickets ftom just 12 List A matches.

Unfortunately I haven’t seen him bowl yet. If he’s showing that level of pace and with accuracy as many have mentioned here and at such a young age with good endurance levels, it’s a no brainer.

I don’t know what these idiots are waiting for.

 

[singhvivek141]

6 minutes ago, MK55 said:

Unfortunately I haven’t seen him bowl yet. If he’s showing that level of pace and with accuracy as many have mentioned here and at such a young age with good endurance levels, it’s a no brainer.

I don’t know what these idiots are waiting for.

 

He is super accurate, unlike Tyagi he has a shorter runup with smaller strides...so I think he will also be able to sustain his pace in the longer format as well. 

Already looked million dollar deal when I saw him bowling on debut in his only FC game where he unfortunately got injured..but was visually quicker than others and was getting pace off the pitch & bounce.

[singhvivek141]

16 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I want Mayank Yadav to play in the next ODI series. 

 

One should not ignore an accurate 150 k pacer who is doing well in domestic cricket.

 

Mayank was the 2nd highest wicket taker in the Zonal 50 over Deodhar Trophy. And his ER is pretty low. He has 28 wickets ftom just 12 List A matches.

Any idea of our future FTP ?

We haven't toured RSA for sometime...he can be real handful there.

[express bowling]

9 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He is super accurate, unlike Tyagi he has a shorter runup with smaller strides...so I think he will also be able to sustain his pace in the longer format as well. 

 

 

Very good point bro !

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Any idea of our future FTP ?

We haven't toured RSA for sometime...he can be real handful there.

 

AFAIK we will play tests and ODIs in RSA in December 

[vishalvirsingh]

3 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I want Mayank Yadav to play in the next ODI series. 

 

One should not ignore an accurate 150 k pacer who is doing well in domestic cricket.

 

Mayank was the 2nd highest wicket taker in the Zonal 50 over Deodhar Trophy. And his ER is pretty low. He has 28 wickets from just 12 List A matches.

Is he getting selected or only prasidh bhuvi and avesh khan 

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

Is he getting selected or only prasidh bhuvi and avesh khan 

 

Squad hasn't been selected yet.

[singhvivek141]

5 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

AFAIK we will play tests and ODIs in RSA in December 

We need to take 5 proper pacers in RSA.

 

For Tests along wirh Bumrah, Shamj, Siraj..Prasidh must be there as 4th pacer with jaddu as spin bowling allrounder at 7. One from the Mayank/Harshit must go as backup fast bowler for Test leg.

 

I would rest Bumrah & Siraj for ODI editions..let Shami, Prasidh lead the bowling attack with Mayank as the third fast bowler (Harshit & Tyagi as other 2 backups).

[Suhaan]

5 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Mayank as the third fast bowler (Harshit & Tyagi as other 2 backups).

No,Tyagi,Harshit,Umran,Mayank all must apply for SENA citizenship

They are wasting their career here,pitches are super jhandu as well

I don't want to see them getting masaccred in IPLs(way before getting in national reckoning)like the Coliseum tamasha

[vishalvirsingh]

On 11/4/2023 at 7:10 PM, singhvivek141 said:

Umran's performance has been oscillating a lot, at times I felt he is just struggling to find what works for him. He is accurate, he is fast and he attacks the stumps..but for some reason he was trying to bowl like Praisdh because his captain wanted him to. However, as the SMAT progressed he settled into his role, I was satisfied with his bowling in last 2 games. Looked like the Umran of 2022. 

 

Tyagi's journey was marred with injuries from last 2 years, but despite of that fact he has upped his pace (he was a 140kph bowler in 2020). This season he was an honest trier, bowled fast. At times erratic, at times unlucky due to catch drops, but when radar is right he is unplayable. He need to learn to come close to stumps and that's it..he has everything else working for him. Should really play VHT & FC this year.

 

Many times people have commented, if we can mix line of Umran & length of Tyagi..we will get a perfect bowler. Tbh, that is Mayank, fast fierce pace, superb accuracy, repeatable action and consistently moving the ball into the batters. He looks most ready of all 3 quicks and can be immediately brought into the side, have to see his yorker bowling ability but looks like someone who is already ahead of his age group. 

 

My verdict

Draft Mayank immediately.

 

Include Tyagi first in longer format, provide him a coach who can work with him and understand fast bowling.

 

Umran should be looked into ODI's, T20's is still tough for him. Use him like Shami, don't try to make Prasidh or Tyagi out of him.

 

 

We always knew if 3 skilled 140 + pacers combine .. they will become a bomb for other teams.. now India is destroying teams not just winning.

 

Learning: train umran, tyagi , mayank prasidh ... Guys who bowl 145+

 

If these guys improve their line length n skills .. they will rule batsmen... Else batters will find a way to save themselves with swing n new ball n then rule bowlers.. that's cricket.

New ball is dangerous. 

[Nikhil_cric]

Don't think Kartik Tyagi is durable enough to sustain such bowling speeds.

 

Should look to emulate Cummins. Young Cummins could clock 155 kph. 

 

But he could only take the workloads when he started bowling 140 kph consistently and the odd spell in the 145-150 kph range. 

 

 

 

[express bowling]

48 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Don't think Kartik Tyagi is durable enough to sustain such bowling speeds.

 

Should look to emulate Cummins. Young Cummins could clock 155 kph. 

 

But he could only take the workloads when he started bowling 140 kph consistently and the odd spell in the 145-150 kph range. 

 

 

When did Cummins bowl 155 k  ?

 

And he hasn't bowled 145 to 150 in a long time. 

[Nikhil_cric]

9 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

When did Cummins bowl 155 k  ?

 

And he hasn't bowled 145 to 150 in a long time. 

2015 ODI series between Australia and England in England I believe it was. 

 

Between 2017-2021 , Cummins bowled quite a few in the 145-150 range in the odd spell. 

 

Recently, he's not hit that often