Luck .

[neel roy]

2 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

If this is honestly what had transpired, I weep for the intelligence of our management.

 

Surely they can't be this dumb.

 

Even leaving that aside, thats such a loser mentality.

 

Though i doubt thats what happened.

 

In all likelihood, the pitch tampering went wrong.

Thats the only logical explanation. No team will risk batting on that bunsen burner in day conditions 

[rish]

This thread is such a loser thread.Something I would see on a BD or Pak forum.

[sensible-indian]

2 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Thats the only logical explanation. No team will risk batting on that bunsen burner in day conditions 

Another explanation is pitch preparation gine wrong.

 

Ahmedabad 4th test pitch vs Aus went wrong. They wanted a normal turner instead of a rank turner after we lost the 3rd test...but they over-corrected and it turned into a patta.

[neel roy]

1 minute ago, rish said:

This thread is such a loser thread.Something I would see on a BD or Pak forum.

We actually acted like a bd or pak by playing on an used pitch didnt we. We could have easily played on a fresh pitch and it would have been a straight flat deck shoot out..

[rish]

We (the fans) act like we are the only team playing and that we are destined to win it all and nobody apart from us deserves to win it.

 

 

 

 

 

[Singh bling]

57 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

And it doesn't help the umpires such as Kettleborough don't really do us any favors with umpire call. 2019 WC semi could've gone differently had Kohli gotten the benefit of doubt similar to Labuchagne today. Fact is we've had rotten luck in knockouts and the only thing going in our favor was the Wankhede toss in the semi-final.

Oh please we got Smith out when impact was outside and umpire gave him out and he did not review. That was very good luck

[neel roy]

2 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Another explanation is pitch preparation gine wrong.

 

Ahmedabad 4th test pitch vs Aus went wrong. They wanted a normal turner instead of a rank turner after we lost the 3rd test...but they over-corrected and it turned into a patta.

Please try to understand the pitch preparation was perfect but this was a pitch suited to a day game. Not a day night pitch. Night games its the dew and conditions which plays a part rather than pitch. Ball skids. Unless u create a rank turner which will break from ball one ( lucknow t20 against nz) where even dew don’t have effect it’s scientifically impossible to create a slow turner which wont be affected by dew. Simple

[Singh bling]

1 minute ago, rish said:

We (the fans) act like we are the only team playing and that we are destined to win it all and nobody apart from us deserves to win it.

 

 

 

 

 

Honestly The brutal domination india had in league stages was seen very few times and the team that had such brutal domination always win

[neel roy]

12 minutes ago, Lord said:

SA lost to Aus batting first. Aus had 3 wins chasing this WC IIRC. Afg,SA,SL,

Saf batter first due to their strengths. Aus batted first against pak knowing well there will be dew in bengaluru

[sensible-indian]

15 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Please try to understand the pitch preparation was perfect but this was a pitch suited to a day game. Not a day night pitch. Night games its the dew and conditions which plays a part rather than pitch. Ball skids. Unless u create a rank turner which will break from ball one ( lucknow t20 against nz) where even dew don’t have effect it’s scientifically impossible to create a slow turner which wont be affected by dew. Simple

So why did they create that pitch then?

 

Heres what the curator said 1 day before the finals

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/sports/story/india-vs-australia-world-cup-final-ahmedabad-to-have-same-pitch-as-india-pakistan-game-says-report-406202-2023-11-18

 

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As per reports, the Narendra Modi Stadium pitch surface will be the same as the India-Pakistan match, which is good to both batters and fielders. The teams on Sunday will play on the slow pitch, which will be the same pitch as the India vs Pakistan game played last month, the Indian Express reported.

The pitch will be sluggish and the ball after pitching will take its time to reach the batsman’s bat.  On Sunday, the team batting first and with 315 runs on board can see an advantage as batting second might be difficult. 

"Around 315 runs could be a defendable score as batting second will be difficult," a pitch curator in Ahmedabad told PTI on Friday. 

 

 

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Curator thought batting 2nd would be tougher 

 

Opposite happened.

 

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by sensible-indian

[AuxiliA]

1. We got outplayed by Australia. Hats off to them. No luck here.

 

2. The pitch wasn't tampered by the BCCI.  Had it been spinners would have picked fifers. That's just English media propoganda. Don't fall for it.

 

3. Our only major weakness ( poor batting depth) got brutally exposed in the final against a well prepared opponent, hence we lost.

[neel roy]

1 minute ago, sensible-indian said:

So why did they create that pitch then?

 

Heres what the curator said 1 day before the finals

 

https://www.businesstoday.in/sports/story/india-vs-australia-world-cup-final-ahmedabad-to-have-same-pitch-as-india-pakistan-game-says-report-406202-2023-11-18

 

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As per reports, the Narendra Modi Stadium pitch surface will be the same as the India-Pakistan match, which is good to both batters and fielders. The teams on Sunday will play on the slow pitch, which will be the same pitch as the India vs Pakistan game played last month, the Indian Express reported.

The pitch will be sluggish and the ball after pitching will take its time to reach the batsman’s bat.  On Sunday, the team batting first and with 315 runs on board can see an advantage as batting second might be difficult. 

"Around 315 runs could be a defendable score as batting second will be difficult," a pitch curator in Ahmedabad told PTI on Friday. 

315 to be scored on first innings of this pitch is impossible. If india scored 315 india would have won. Curator creates the pitch but as i said without dew or under lights 240 was good. So he was right but he spoke discounting the dew factor. The pitch gets rolled after first innings. And when you have dew the ball skids. Without dew and if it was a day game aus wouldnt have been even bowling first winning the toss

[sensible-indian]

1 minute ago, neel roy said:

315 to be scored on first innings of this pitch is impossible. If india scored 315 india would have won. Curator creates the pitch but as i said without dew or under lights 240 was good. So he was right but he spoke discounting the dew factor. The pitch gets rolled after first innings. And when you have dew the ball skids. Without dew and if it was a day game aus wouldnt have been even bowling first winning the toss

Thats what im saying.

 

They thought it would play in a certain way but it didnt.

 

Hence Rohit comment on wanting to bat even if he won the toss..

 

This was India's cup to lose.

 

There is no incentive to make a 50-50 pitch and hope Aus fall into the trap of making the wrong choice.

 

Whats very much likely is the plan went wrong.

 

Is it possivle that India intentionally made a 50-50 pitch?

 

Yes.

 

Is it likely?

 

No. Very unlikely.

 

 

[neel roy]

1 minute ago, sensible-indian said:

Thats what im saying.

 

They thought it would play in a certain way but it didnt.

 

Hence Rohit comment on wanting to bat even if he won the toss..

 

This was India's cup to lose.

 

There is no incentive to make a 50-50 pitch and hope Aus fall into the trap of making the wrong choice.

 

Whats very much likely is the plan went wrong.

 

Is it possivle that India intentionally made a 50-50 pitch?

 

Yes.

 

Is it likely?

 

No. Very unlikely.

 

 

If india being a host and after playing so many matches in these conditions still wanted to bat first on this pitch which was in your eyes abrasive and visible that it ll be slow i have nothing to say. Rohit put up a brave face saying we would have batted first. He was sweating and looking nervous. We should have just played on a fresh patta we could have still won losing the toss.. australia has played 6 odis in last 4 months here. So they know our conditions better than anybody. 

[Ranvir]

India were by far the best team in this World Cup but blew it today.

They reminded me of the 1974 Dutch football team who completely dominated the whole tournament with little to no struggle and dishing out sound beatings to powerhouses like Brazil and Argentina but ended up losing the final. The difference is that they lost to the hosts Germany. India had no excuses. The Dutch even started their final with fireworks but were up against it from the last 2/3rds onwards. 

 

Edited November 19, 2023 by Ranvir

[sensible-indian]

4 minutes ago, neel roy said:

If india being a host and after playing so many matches in these conditions still wanted to bat first on this pitch which was in your eyes abrasive and visible that it ll be slow i have nothing to say. Rohit put up a brave face saying we would have batted first. He was sweating and looking nervous. We should have just played on a fresh patta we could have still won losing the toss.. australia has played 6 odis in last 4 months here. So they know our conditions better than anybody. 

Honestly speaking, i dunno what transpired. There is no way to know either. We can only guess.

 

You are right that no one could have wanted to bat first on this pitch. Dk did mention that while its better for chasing, teams would wanna bat forst cos its the finals.

 

What i can say with reasonable confidence is that they didnt expect this pitch to turn out this way post preparation.

 

But once its prepared, nothing can be done.

 

If someone had to design the perfect pitch for us to lose, this would be it. Thats how bad it was.

 

Negated all our strengths. Amplified our weaknesses.

Edited November 19, 2023 by sensible-indian

[neel roy]

4 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Honestly speaking, i dunno what transpired. There is no way to know either. We can only guess.

 

You are right that no one could have wanted to bat first on this pitch. Dk did mention that while its better for chasing, teams would wanna bat forst cos its the finals.

 

What i can say with reasonable confidence is that they didnt expect this pitch to turn out this way post preparation.

 

But once its prepared, nothing can be done.

 

If someone had to design the perfect pitch for us to lose, this would be it. Thats how bad it was.

 

Negated all our strengths. Amplified our weaknesses.

Exactly. Thats why play on pattas when at home. At least even if you lose toss you can score 300 plus. We got scared because we only had batting till 7 forgetting that same 7 got us 300 plus 4 times batting first. 

[sensible-indian]

11 minutes ago, neel roy said:

Exactly. Thats why play on pattas when at home. At least even if you lose toss you can score 300 plus. We got scared because we only had batting till 7 forgetting that same 7 got us 300 plus 4 times batting first. 

Totally.

 

I cant believe we played on an used strip.

 

I guess they thought they were playing test cricket with Jaddu, Axar and Ashwin to bail them out with the bat and ball. 

Edited November 19, 2023 by sensible-indian

[neel roy]

1 hour ago, sensible-indian said:

Honestly speaking, i dunno what transpired. There is no way to know either. We can only guess.

 

You are right that no one could have wanted to bat first on this pitch. Dk did mention that while its better for chasing, teams would wanna bat forst cos its the finals.

 

What i can say with reasonable confidence is that they didnt expect this pitch to turn out this way post preparation.

 

But once its prepared, nothing can be done.

 

If someone had to design the perfect pitch for us to lose, this would be it. Thats how bad it was.

 

Negated all our strengths. Amplified our weaknesses.

As i guessed see cricinfo

 

 

 

An example of how much the pitch changed is how often Marnus Labuschagne dabbed the ball gently behind squares for singles; those easy singles hadn't been available to India. The pitch had been so slow in the afternoon that there was risk involved in manipulating the bat face to pick up singles once the field spread out and the ball became old. Kohli was dismissed in exactly this manner, inside-edging Pat Cummins onto his stumps.

 

 

If Rohit's words at the toss - he said he would have batted first had he won it - actually reflected the team management's thoughts (sometimes a captain's words can be just a front), it would be fair to say India misread the conditions. That didn't matter because Australia won the toss, 

[sensible-indian]

4 minutes ago, neel roy said:

As i guessed see cricinfo

 

 

 

An example of how much the pitch changed is how often Marnus Labuschagne dabbed the ball gently behind squares for singles; those easy singles hadn't been available to India. The pitch had been so slow in the afternoon that there was risk involved in manipulating the bat face to pick up singles once the field spread out and the ball became old. Kohli was dismissed in exactly this manner, inside-edging Pat Cummins onto his stumps.

 

 

If Rohit's words at the toss - he said he would have batted first had he won it - actually reflected the team management's thoughts (sometimes a captain's words can be just a front), it would be fair to say India misread the conditions. That didn't matter because Australia won the toss, 

Yeah you are right.

 

Once the toss was lost, the game was 50% done.

 

How did we even get to this point (pitch wise) is the mystery.