Luck .

[Serpico]

3 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

I know Rohit wanted to keep a brave face and say we would have batted first, to play some mind games. But his body language said otherwise. I doubt anybody would bat first knowing the dew under lights. Hai re kizmet 

But what was their backup plan if they lost the toss? What a bunch of jokers 

 

Its like they perfectly planned and executed the final choke

[coffee_rules]

6 minutes ago, Serpico said:

But what was their backup plan if they lost the toss? What a bunch of jokers 

 

Its like they perfectly planned and executed the final choke

Totally unprepared 

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, Serpico said:

But what was their backup plan if they lost the toss? What a bunch of jokers 

 

Its like they perfectly planned and executed the final choke

 

Batting wise we only had one plan - Rohit and Iyer to score quickly and rest of the team to anchor and score easy runs. And if the batsmen stay till the slog overs, then get as many as they can. Unfortunately, Rohit and Iyer got out close together and there was no Plan B and nobody who could wrest the initiative from Aussies. That's why important to have more guys like Iyer and Pant in the team rather than fair-weather ones such as KL, Jadeja and SKY.

[Insidious]

In India, in some venues, toss matter a lot. I was thinking that Australia will win the toss and will elect to bat first but they wisely did the opposite. Mohali, Motera, wankhade, every damn pitch of western side of the country are bowl first wicket. The issue with Motera is pitch remain sluggish in 1st half and became batting beauty in 2nd half. Happened with 2011 WC in Australia.

[SRT100]

8 hours ago, CG said:

This generation players have rotten luck.I find it hard to believe Consecutive World cups and test championship where having dominated the tournament to fail at last hurdle.

Its not luck at all.

 

You make your own luck and you prepare well in advance for every catastrophe.

Indian Cricket Culture is beyond mad in their approach to everything about cricket, in terms of preparing for ICC tournaments.

[Insidious]

Just now, Insidious said:

In India, in some venues, toss matter a lot. I was thinking that Australia will win the toss and will elect to bat first but they wisely did the opposite. Mohali, Motera, wankhade, every damn pitch of western side of the country are bowl first wicket. The issue with Motera is pitch remain sluggish in 1st half and became batting beauty in 2nd half. Happened in 2011 WC against Australia.

 

[SRT100]

17 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Batting wise we only had one plan - Rohit and Iyer to score quickly and rest of the team to anchor and score easy runs. And if the batsmen stay till the slog overs, then get as many as they can. Unfortunately, Rohit and Iyer got out close together and there was no Plan B and nobody who could wrest the initiative from Aussies. That's why important to have more guys like Iyer and Pant in the team rather than fair-weather ones such as KL, Jadeja and SKY.

 

India's Plan B is there is always a next game.

This is why they never plan for anything.

 

Look how little cricket SKY has played in the past month, its madness of Indian Cricket.

[Number]

No matter how much anyone tries to convince me, you definitely need luck to win these tournaments. Probably we exhausted all our luck in Dhoni's times when things worked out of nowhere like 2013 CT final etc or Misbah scoop etc.

Look at Pat Cummins luck, he was 2 hours of game away from losing ashes but the rain saved him there.

Marnus wasn't even in the world cup squad but someone gets injured and he comes in as a concussion, performs and finds a place in squad and does well in WC final.

Got the most overcast conditions in SC to bowl at SA top order. Got the most sluggish pitch to bowl at India and got the heavy dew when Indian spinners bowled.

 

One can argue you make your own luck but these little things make so much difference in cricket.

Edited November 20 by Number

[CG]

8 minutes ago, Number said:

No matter how much anyone tries to convince me, you definitely need luck to win these tournaments. Probably we exhausted all our luck in Dhoni's times when things worked out of nowhere like 2013 CT final etc or Misbah scoop etc.

Look at Pat Cummins luck, he was 2 hours of game away from losing ashes but the rain saved him there.

Marnus wasn't even in the world cup squad but someone gets injured and he comes in as a concussion, performs and finds a place in squad and does well in WC final.

Got the most overcast conditions in SC to bowl at SA top order. Got the most sluggish pitch to bowl at India and got the heavy dew when Indian spinners bowled.

 

One can argue you make your own luck but these little things make so much difference in cricket.

When teams are close luck plays a big factor.No matter how much people deny.

[sensible-indian]

16 minutes ago, Number said:

No matter how much anyone tries to convince me, you definitely need luck to win these tournaments. Probably we exhausted all our luck in Dhoni's times when things worked out of nowhere like 2013 CT final etc or Misbah scoop etc.

Look at Pat Cummins luck, he was 2 hours of game away from losing ashes but the rain saved him there.

Marnus wasn't even in the world cup squad but someone gets injured and he comes in as a concussion, performs and finds a place in squad and does well in WC final.

Got the most overcast conditions in SC to bowl at SA top order. Got the most sluggish pitch to bowl at India and got the heavy dew when Indian spinners bowled.

 

One can argue you make your own luck but these little things make so much difference in cricket.

India was lucky too.

 

Pandya got injured and Shami started performing like a GOAT.

 

Kohli was useless for years and then started performing like crazy.

 

Kuldeep was put of reckoning and then came back with a bang.

 

Jaddu was hopeless before the WC qnd then did very well in the WC league games.

 

Rohit sharma batting like a possessed demon.

 

India had luck too.

 

Its just that Aus had better strategy, will, desire and they werent delusional like our lot.

 

Losing toss is ill luck but we never even put up a fight.

 

Aussies came so close to winning the 2011 QF.

Edited November 20 by sensible-indian

[MediumPacer]

If we batted 2nd we could easily have been 50-4.

 

Don't forget aus nearly won the delhi test.They are better ,we rely too much on conditions.

[MediumPacer]

Also indians are genetically not suitable for sports,even intelligence of some our players is dodgy . Australian are much better.

[CG]

11 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

India was lucky too.

 

Pandya got injured and Shami started performing like a GOAT.

 

Kohli was useless for years and then started performing like crazy.

 

Kuldeep was put of reckoning and then came back with a bang.

 

Jaddu was hopeless before the WC qnd then did very well in the WC league games.

 

Rohit sharma batting like a possessed demon.

 

India had luck too.

 

Its just that Aus had better strategy, will, desire and they werent delusional like our lot.

 

Losing toss is ill luck but we never even put up a fight.

 

Aussies came so close to winning the 2011 QF.

Australia were about to be beaten by Afghanistan but how lucky was Maxwell.No matter how much you deny Australia were destined 

[sensible-indian]

2 minutes ago, CG said:

Australia were about to be beaten by Afghanistan but how lucky was Maxwell.No matter how much you deny Australia were destined 

Its like saying why work hard..if im destined for greatness, i will get it.

 

You cant control destiny. You can control what you control.

[CG]

2 minutes ago, sensible-indian said:

Its like saying why work hard..if im destined for greatness, i will get it.

 

You cant control destiny. You can control what you control.

Yes but at this level among equals luck plays a role .

[Nikola]

Don't get why people discuss toss here and social media when rohit himself wanted to bat first. Both captains got what they wanted. Cummins took brave call and executed plans properly with great fielding. They must have saved 30-40 runs in field along with good bowling.

[MediumPacer]

Australia would have bowled better under dew with slower bouncers specially if they picked up 4,5 wickets with the new ball.

 

In Chennai they dropped virat and didn't try those slower bouncers, otherwise could have won.

 

You can't compare Australia with the ball and in the field with india.

[Ajju]

You cant win against Thala or yello

i mean Head and aus

[RajBan]

18 hours ago, CG said:

This generation players have rotten luck.I find it hard to believe Consecutive World cups and test championship where having dominated the tournament to fail at last hurdle.

On the contrary they were lucky to achieve more than their ability. The team has been half cooked but it got overshadowed by the group stage performance. But somewhere the lack of batting from lower middle order, the lack of  x factor bowling from the batsmen and lack of a proven middle order against top bowlers would have eventually come to bite us.

 

I just hope that we stop giving too much weightage to IPL when we select players for ODI and Tests. IPL is exciting to watch like a Khan or Kumar movie but does not guarantee the substance to stand when the going gets tough.

[neel roy]

Dhoni was captain in 4 wt20s and just won 1. He lost the other 3. So no even msd did not have all the luck. Windies won 2 finals out of 2 due to some unbelievable clutch performances in final. Same aus. We have to accepy that