Accuracy and Effectiveness of Medium Pacers

[Ravi_Shastri]

Fkkk off all you haters who hated on this beautiful sardarrrrr.... @Jaydev_Unadkat was always right

ARSHDEEEP ?>>>>UMRAN TYAGI etcc

[Kron]

54 minutes ago, Ravi_Shastri said:

Fkkk off all you haters who hated on this beautiful sardarrrrr.... @Jaydev_Unadkat was always right

ARSHDEEEP ?>>>>UMRAN TYAGI etcc

arshdeep was a beast indeed. great performance. full credit to pandya too. 

 

btw icf mostly wanted mayank or rana not umran or anyone else. 

[Chakdephatte]

4 minutes ago, Kron said:

arshdeep was a beast indeed. great performance. full credit to pandya too. 

 

btw icf mostly wanted mayank or rana not umran or anyone else. 

Fast bowling fans hype whoever looks in form. There was a time Umran was bowling good. 

[Kron]

1 minute ago, Chakdephatte said:

Fast bowling fans hype whoever looks in form. There was a time Umran was bowling good. 

no umran bowls too short. 

rana and mayank are whole another beasts. 

[Ravi_Shastri]

19 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Fast bowling fans hype whoever looks in form. There was a time Umran was bowling good. 

Thats well and fine, but abusin mocking and making fun of anyone who bowls under 140 as if these keyboard fighters themselves are second coming of Jeff Thomson is hilarious

[Chakdephatte]

5 minutes ago, Ravi_Shastri said:

Thats well and fine, but abusin mocking and making fun of anyone who bowls under 140 as if these keyboard fighters themselves are second coming of Jeff Thomson is hilarious

That was my point 

[Jaydev_Unadkat]

The controlled medium pace of Arshdeep and Hardik won us the game

(Bumra is the goat, no need to even mention it)
But loving how Arshdeep bitchslapped all the so called phast bowling expaaarts on ICF hahahhahaha

Edited June 29, 2024 by Jaydev_Unadkat

[Kron]

33 minutes ago, Jaydev_Unadkat said:

The controlled medium pace of Arshdeep and Hardik won us the game

(Bumra is the goat, no need to even mention it)
But loving how Arshdeep bitchslapped all the so called phast bowling expaaarts on ICF hahahhahaha

16 wickets. He can also bat. Brilliant. He did very well under pressure.  hardik did well too. 

 

Kuldeep was kachada though

[Jaydev_Unadkat]

Excellent performances so far from the future of world express bowling in the ongoing DULEEP TROPHY

 

Tyagi, Umran, Mayank Yadav, Kuldeep Sen

Definitely the next Marshall, Holding, Garner and Roberts. 

A real terror for Hospital staff and nurses

 

 

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Mukesh Kumar, Avesh Khan , Akashdeep , Yash Dayal , Vysakh ...

The real ones keep performing.

Edited September 8, 2024 by Jaydev_Unadkat

[Adamant]

47 minutes ago, Jaydev_Unadkat said:

Excellent performances so far from the future of world express bowling in the ongoing DULEEP TROPHY

 

Tyagi, Umran, Mayank Yadav, Kuldeep Sen

Definitely the next Marshall, Holding, Garner and Roberts. 

A real terror for Hospital staff and nurses

 

 

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Mukesh Kumar, Avesh Khan , Akashdeep , Yash Dayal , Vysakh ...

The real ones keep performing.

Mukesh, Avesh, Vysakh are definitely not good enough for Australian conditions.

 

Akash and Dayal are good especially Akash.

[Jaydev_Unadkat]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

Mukesh, Avesh, Vysakh are definitely not good enough for Australian conditions.

 

Akash and Dayal are good especially Akash.

Trolling frm my part aside, yes Akash has to be there ahead of everyone, hopefully like a Hazlewood role. The lengths he hit during his debut test opening spell was absolute dream stuff

Edited September 8, 2024 by Jaydev_Unadkat

[Jaydev_Unadkat]

Most economical bowler in the CT so far

Matt Henry at 3.40

 

seconf most economical pacer

 

Mulder

 

Most expensive bowlers English Phaaaast bowlers.. the most over rated bang average bowlers of world cricket - Mark Wood, Jofra Archer

[Ravi_Shastri]

On 9/8/2024 at 11:55 AM, Jaydev_Unadkat said:

Excellent performances so far from the future of world express bowling in the ongoing DULEEP TROPHY

 

Tyagi, Umran, Mayank Yadav, Kuldeep Sen

Definitely the next Marshall, Holding, Garner and Roberts. 

A real terror for Hospital staff and nurses

 

 

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Mukesh Kumar, Avesh Khan , Akashdeep , Yash Dayal , Vysakh ...

The real ones keep performing.

I bow down to the immense iq of sir Unadkat.

He was always right about the likes of Mayank, Umran , Tyagi etc!

apologise to Unadkat sir! Now

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Ravi_Shastri said:

I bow down to the immense iq of sir Unadkat.

He was always right about the likes of Mayank, Umran , Tyagi etc!

apologise to Unadkat sir! Now

Forgotten about Prasidh ? 

Few months back he was worse than a trash bin. 

 

Edited May 4 by singhvivek141

[New guy]

On 5/4/2025 at 9:43 PM, Ravi_Shastri said:

I bow down to the immense iq of sir Unadkat.

He was always right about the likes of Mayank, Umran , Tyagi etc!

apologise to Unadkat sir! Now

But they are all trundlers now which is why they are underperforming. They are all bowling in low 130z, which is exactly the kind of trundlers that poster loves. 

 

So they are medium pacers

Edited May 5 by New guy

[vishalvirsingh]

i dont think any medium pacer EXCEPT Bhuvi was worth playing for INDIA....i think BHuvi was the only medium pacer who swung the ball big time and in his first spell of 5 overs , he had the capability to get 3 wickets. Hats off to BHUVI.

 

even irfan pathan when he got a hatrick was bowling 130 to 142k so he could not be called a medium pacer , suddenly he slowed down and he was dropped suddenly from international cricket.

 

i am saying that Manoj prabhakar, venky prasad, abhey kuruvilla , even munaf patel when he had become a medium pacer should not have played for INDIAN 11 team, even Kapil dev for 50 percent of times was under 135K and hence when ever he was under 135k should not have played and instead some other pacer should have played or Srinath played ahead of Kapil dev.

India always had pace bowlers but they were not played as they were not accurate - but point is they had 1 main skill , that's Speed , they should have been trained to bowl accurately.

i remember a bowler called Raju kulkarni bowled very fast and he played one odi for india, i also read Prashant vaidya used to bowl faster than Srinath and Salil Ankola.

 

Edited May 8 by vishalvirsingh

[Lord]

13 minutes ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i dont think any medium pacer EXCEPT Bhuvi was worth playing for INDIA....i think BHuvi was the only medium pacer who swung the ball big time and in his first spell of 5 overs , he had the capability to get 3 wickets. Hats off to BHUVI.

 

even irfan pathan when he got a hatrick was bowling 130 to 142k so he could not be called a medium pacer , suddenly he slowed down and he was dropped suddenly from international cricket.

 

i am saying that Manoj prabhakar, venky prasad, abhey kuruvilla , even munaf patel when he had become a medium pacer should have played for INDIAN 11 team, even Kapil dev for 50 percent of times under 135K and hence when ever he was under 135k should not have played and instead some other pacer should have played or Srinath played ahead of Kapil dev.

India always had pace bowlers but they were not played as they were not accurate - but point is they had 1 main skill , thats Speed , they should have been trained to bowl accurately.

i remember a bowler called Raju kulkarni bowled very fast and he played one odi for india, i also read Prashant vaidya used to bowl faster than Srinath and Salil Ankola.

 

 

how many times did he do it?

[singhvivek141]

9 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

i dont think any medium pacer EXCEPT Bhuvi was worth playing for INDIA....i think BHuvi was the only medium pacer who swung the ball big time and in his first spell of 5 overs , he had the capability to get 3 wickets. Hats off to BHUVI.

 

even irfan pathan when he got a hatrick was bowling 130 to 142k so he could not be called a medium pacer , suddenly he slowed down and he was dropped suddenly from international cricket.

 

i am saying that Manoj prabhakar, venky prasad, abhey kuruvilla , even munaf patel when he had become a medium pacer should have played for INDIAN 11 team, even Kapil dev for 50 percent of times under 135K and hence when ever he was under 135k should not have played and instead some other pacer should have played or Srinath played ahead of Kapil dev.

India always had pace bowlers but they were not played as they were not accurate - but point is they had 1 main skill , thats Speed , they should have been trained to bowl accurately.

i remember a bowler called Raju kulkarni bowled very fast and he played one odi for india, i also read Prashant vaidya used to bowl faster than Srinath and Salil Ankola.

 

The Bhuvi that you're talking about..existed for a very short period of time. After 2014 Eng series, his performance took a dip, never to rise back.

 

Someone like Shami, who has played less ODI's than Bhuvi, was a key performer in 2015, 2019 & 2023 WC's..shows how inferior Bhuvi became. Once his banana swing was lost, he was another generic bowler. 

 

Also, just hitting 140's here and there dont make a fast bowler. What matters is the consistency in pace, Irfan wasnt that quick after 2004 tour of Australia, specially when he took advice from Waz...he became another 125-130kph swing bowler.

 

I have always maintained that in order to have a medium pacer (avg Speed under 135k) to play for India..he must have either

 

1. Some exceptional skill, like banana swing, wobble seam or ability to bowl pin point deliveries.

2. Have potential with the bat to contribute

 

Likes of Southee, Woakes, Pollock, Walsh, Kapil Dev, Philander etc had either of the two skillset to compensate. All our medium pacers like Bhuvi, Mukesh are super inaccurate in their lengths, cant bat anymore and their fielding is the less spoken the better.

 

Hazelwood & Bumrah are two of the most accurate pacers in current times. Neither of them is a trundler...Hazelwood easily clocks 142-144 often, Bumrah we know can Speed upto 145-146...Shami before his injury was faster and more accurate than Bhuvi from 2015-2023.

[Adamant]

13 hours ago, vishalvirsingh said:

 

 

even irfan pathan when he got a hatrick was bowling 130 to 142k so he could not be called a medium pacer , suddenly he slowed down and he was dropped suddenly from international cricket.

 

 

@vishalvirsingh I request you and the other pace worshipping fans to not rewrite history and spread misinformation.

 

The three balls Pathan bowled were 116kph, 123kph and 124kph.

 

He was bowling military medium. Please stop with this inaccurate description of pace bowling.

 

Kapil Dev was a medium pacer in every sense, all his contemporaries call him a medium pacer, He always operated in low 130s.

[Ultimate_Game]

5 hours ago, Adamant said:

@vishalvirsingh I request you and the other pace worshipping fans to not rewrite history and spread misinformation.

 

The three balls Pathan bowled were 116kph, 123kph and 124kph.

 

He was bowling military medium. Please stop with this inaccurate description of pace bowling.

 

Kapil Dev was a medium pacer in every sense, all his contemporaries call him a medium pacer, He always operated in low 130s.

 

Agree for the most part but would categorize Kapil as Fast Medium. He became a medium pacer towards the end but from late 70s to mid to late 80s he was a Fast Medium bowler.

 

Medium pacers would be Roger Binny, Karsan Ghavri, Madan Lal etc. who bowled along with Kapil and you could see how slow they were compared to Kapil.