Ram Mandir and politics

[gattaca]

21 hours ago, Lannister said:

If you see adopting religious neutrality as being anti-Hindu, then too bad. Our focus shouldn't be on catering to the desires of the religious right.

Religious neutrality shouldn’t be abusing Hindu religion. Nehru hated Hindu religion and so did congress for 60 years and still do. So does all the left secular parties in India. I clearly stated what bjp did. They did nothing for Hindus but they didn’t bad mouth Hindu religion and culture. In fact they did more for Muslims by banning triple talaq which congress should have done in 90s but for appeasement they did nothing. Congress is about appeasing Muslims bjp is about respecting all religions not hard choice to choose from.

Edited January 14 by gattaca

[coffee_rules]

Karnataka Congress general secy tweeting this photo. They all are BJP decoys in Congress 

 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

As things stand, for me the most important person or atleast one of the most important persons is KK Mohammed. I hope he is called and recognized for his work. 

[coffee_rules]

58 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

As things stand, for me the most important person or atleast one of the most important persons is KK Mohammed. I hope he is called and recognized for his work. 

Even before KK, it was Prof BB Lal who had  done the excavation before 1992 when the Masjid-e-janma sthan was standing. and had provided  the first proof of the temple. See Meenakisgi Jain’s videos on Ayodhya about how the leftist historians tried to sabotage his archeological findings. BB Lal was recommended by them as a hey thought he was also a leftist as he had written a book on IVC. But, like Justice Chandrachud,  he turned against the leftists towards Dharma. Really, Dharmo rakshite rakshitaha! 

[cowboysfan]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

As things stand, for me the most important person or atleast one of the most important persons is KK Mohammed. I hope he is called and recognized for his work. 

he hates BJP for the right reasons.he has rightly said the last 10 years have been the worst for ASI.BJP seems to have no interest in further temple excavations anywhere.

[Singh bling]

 

Even shankaracharya's are not spared  by online trolls of BJP.  Shankaracharya's are new entry in club of anti Hindu and anti nationals. 

[ravishingravi]

2 hours ago, cowboysfan said:

he hates BJP for the right reasons.he has rightly said the last 10 years have been the worst for ASI.BJP seems to have no interest in further temple excavations anywhere.

 

Yeah but this is not about BJP. Ram mandir is above partisan groups or even religion. And I have seen his videos. He doesn't hate. He has some grouses with both BJP and the left. 

[someone]

On 1/13/2024 at 10:16 PM, BlueBlood said:

 

This is the mentality I am talking about.

 

That's the coward mentality. Like those office people who themselves don't do anything, yet be critical and put obstacles to those other people who are doing some work.

 

India is a unique position and has to deal with first, second  & third world problems same time. So be it from building toilets to MARS mission, all are important and has to celebrated with the work done. And this Ramjanmabhoomi represents a India where a major pre-existing problem is resolved, so it has to well-appreciated. Next, India can't do D immediately, without ABC. Like that Raghuram Rajan who keeps lamenting about how India isn't in high value automation, yet India can't jumpstart and has to start with lower level manufacturing now. The reason is India has missed many first mover advantages during the UPA era, and thus, is only doing catchup. So growth isn't inevitable,  it takes both hard work and vision. Remember how this former UPA finance minister was laughing at the idea of digitization in "poor" India in Rajya Sabha., but turned out he was so wrong. So let's not forget the precarious health of India economics,banks, major projects given by UPA 2014.

 

You can keep cherry picking things, but where are the solutions? And precisely whom can do?  Today, both sides have their track record, and clearly Modi has pro-voters for his work. Whereas Rahul Gandhi has zero achievements, zero stories, zero success. Many things can been resolved and completed in last decade, and many more has to be done, and clearly, one side is better placed to solve them...

 

 

[coffee_rules]

On 1/14/2024 at 12:54 PM, Singh bling said:

 

Even shankaracharya's are not spared  by online trolls of BJP.  Shankaracharya's are new entry in club of anti Hindu and anti nationals. 

Just watched   the video, Abhisar Dalla is more idiotic than The Deshbhakt or Dhruv Rathee, saala Chinese agent. Should not react to his opinions, responding to you if your concerns are genuine. 

Shankaracharyas are shaivites, they don’t have monopoly over a vaishnavite belief system like ke Ram bhakti. They were expecting that people would lay red carpet to them when they didn’t have any support to the RJB movement. The prana prathistha will happen with or without their blessing.

 

2 Shankaracharyas of the south (Kanchi and Sringeri) have blessed the event. The Puri Shankaracharya is not very popular, he had said some controversial statements about casteism and inter-caste marriages. Now, that he opposed Modi, he’s a darling and revered by Congressis. 

Edited January 15 by coffee_rules

[Lannister]

16 hours ago, gattaca said:

Religious neutrality shouldn’t be abusing Hindu religion. Nehru hated Hindu religion and so did congress for 60 years and still do. So does all the left secular parties in India. I clearly stated what bjp did. They did nothing for Hindus but they didn’t bad mouth Hindu religion and culture. In fact they did more for Muslims by banning triple talaq which congress should have done in 90s but for appeasement they did nothing. Congress is about appeasing Muslims bjp is about respecting all religions not hard choice to choose from.

I am not sure about the abuse, but we should all mock religions and its tripe. In a democratic society, the notion of blasphemy doesn't hold.

[gattaca]

57 minutes ago, Lannister said:

I am not sure about the abuse, but we should all mock religions and its tripe. In a democratic society, the notion of blasphemy doesn't hold.

No. It is wrong one should respect all religions. If you are atheist doesn’t mean you don’t respect other religions. Congress leaders not only mocked Hindus but were wearing skull caps and taking pictures during their festivals and they created reservations for Muslims which is stupid. Muslims ruled India for so many years and imposed jigiya for being a Hindu and they gave them reservations. This is not only appeasement for Muslims but oppression of Hindus.  I really hope Congress in India dies completely. 

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, gattaca said:

No. It is wrong one should respect all religions. If you are atheist doesn’t mean you don’t respect other religions.

That's not how it works. If you compel us to respect your views, we can do the same thing to you. We can also ensure that you respect our views using similar tactics and the legal system. What then? 

[Lannister]

2 hours ago, gattaca said:

Congress leaders not only mocked Hindus but were wearing skull caps and taking pictures during their festivals and they created reservations for Muslims which is stupid. Muslims ruled India for so many years and imposed jigiya for being a Hindu and they gave them reservations. This is not only appeasement for Muslims but oppression of Hindus.  I really hope Congress in India dies completely. 

What has the BJP been doing over the past decade? Obviously, it's absurd to provide reservations based on religious beliefs. Where is my reservation for being an atheist? After all, we too belong to the minority.

[coffee_rules]

4 hours ago, Lannister said:

What has the BJP been doing over the past decade? Obviously, it's absurd to provide reservations based on religious beliefs. Where is my reservation for being an atheist? After all, we too belong to the minority.

Reservations are not for minorities, but for those who were discriminated in the mainstream for generations and are backward socially and economically. Atheists are thriving rich folk, having too much richness and nothing else to do bored of their lives, want to meddle with others’ business. 

[BlueBlood]

22 hours ago, someone said:

 

That's the coward mentality. Like those office people who themselves don't do anything, yet be critical and put obstacles to those other people who are doing some work.

 

India is a unique position and has to deal with first, second  & third world problems same time. So be it from building toilets to MARS mission, all are important and has to celebrated with the work done. And this Ramjanmabhoomi represents a India where a major pre-existing problem is resolved, so it has to well-appreciated. Next, India can't do D immediately, without ABC. Like that Raghuram Rajan who keeps lamenting about how India isn't in high value automation, yet India can't jumpstart and has to start with lower level manufacturing now. The reason is India has missed many first mover advantages during the UPA era, and thus, is only doing catchup. So growth isn't inevitable,  it takes both hard work and vision. Remember how this former UPA finance minister was laughing at the idea of digitization in "poor" India in Rajya Sabha., but turned out he was so wrong. So let's not forget the precarious health of India economics,banks, major projects given by UPA 2014.

 

You can keep cherry picking things, but where are the solutions? And precisely whom can do?  Today, both sides have their track record, and clearly Modi has pro-voters for his work. Whereas Rahul Gandhi has zero achievements, zero stories, zero success. Many things can been resolved and completed in last decade, and many more has to be done, and clearly, one side is better placed to solve them...

 

 

 

This is classic brainwashed perspective.

 

Congress with MMS was only in power for 10 years. Before that it was Vajpayee.

 

So Modi's 10 year reign should be judged with same metric.

 

Reality is:

 

He promised strong rupee of 50 rupees for 1 US Dollar. The rupee has weakened which is a sign of incredibly poor export income.

 

He promised to eliminate corruption but everyone agrees demonization is a failure even though it might have good intentions as everyone abused it and we are back to cash hoarding again. Digitization of currency was the answer and BJP as everyone else was scared to do it as elections and buying politicians require money.

 

The GDP per capita income is lower than of Bangladesh.

 

Before you come running and saying it was bad under previous administration, in the same 10 years, Vietnam and Mexico had 400%+ increase in same metrics and in fact, their currencies became stronger.

 

The largest sources of US Dollar reserves in India is actually remittances and IT/BPO outsourcing which is glorified sweatshops where you are not selling value add services but rather hours of labour.

 

And the country has gone backwards on how they are treating cattle, Hindi medium schools, media censorship, and even monopolistic behavior. 

 

Just look at Adani and Ambani buying up all the critical infrastructure. Instead of building innovation through small scale entrepreneurship like Mexico and Vietnam did focused on exports, you sell the entire public infrastructure to private hands funded by state banks.

 

There is zero value add in this process. The stats speak for themselves:

 

1) worst in pollution

2) worst in health care

3) worst in English education in tier 2 and tier 3 cities with highest population growth

4) worst in Olympics and sports culture for a population of 1 billion

5) worst in cleanliness

6) worst in media censorship

7) worst in election integrity of distributing cash to people

 

I can keep going. This was last 10 years. If the greatest achievement is making Adani richest man in Asia, then go ahead celebrate.

 

But look at the state of hunger, youth unemployment and general lack of economic upliftment of poor... 

 

The only sectors growing are IT and pharma both of which had tremendous tailwinds due to digitization. It was world wide not just India and any government could have benefited.

 

The golden opportunity of being an export heavy nation after COViD and decoupling from China was squandered to protect incumbent monopolies like Adani and Ambani. In mexico and Vietnam, the governments built entire factories and high tech manufacturing units with security provided so that entrepreneurs with drive or even large scale companies can come and setup shop.

 

What has BJP done other than allow Adani to buy up all critical infrastructure like ports, airports, railway platforms and toll roads through state bank loans? You really think this is how you grow an economy?

 

10 years have gone, if you remove the Hindutva agenda and only look at economic growth from a per capita basis, nothing has improved. But that will not get to blink brainwashed heads as they are single issue candidates sitting in AC rooms in US or Europe musing about something that has zero impact on their day to day lives as they won the lottery of escaping to the West.

 

[coffee_rules]

18 hours ago, Lannister said:

That's not how it works. If you compel us to respect your views, we can do the same thing to you. We can also ensure that you respect our views using similar tactics and the legal system. What then? 

You should read more. Hinduism is the only religion to not have blasphemy. You are not killed for not believing in Ishwar. There is no word for blasphemy in Sanskrit. Carvaka denounced Vedas and is still a maharshi. We still believe you are a Hindu or whatever you were born into. You are inspired by an irrational western thought of atheism to believe all religions are same and bad. 

[Lannister]

14 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Reservations are not for minorities, but for those who were discriminated in the mainstream for generations and are backward socially and economically. Atheists are thriving rich folk, having too much richness and nothing else to do bored of their lives, want to meddle with others’ business. 

Indeed, atheists are rich in morality. I am specifically referring to reservations granted on religious grounds.

 

[Lannister]

52 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

You should read more. Hinduism is the only religion to not have blasphemy. You are not killed for not believing in Ishwar. There is no word for blasphemy in Sanskrit. Carvaka denounced Vedas and is still a maharshi. We still believe you are a Hindu or whatever you were born into. You are inspired by an irrational western thought of atheism to believe all religions are same and bad. 

The perceived tolerance in Hinduism largely stems from our existence in a democratic society. Instances like the murders of Gowri and others serve as a reminder that this religion can be just as problematic as Islam.
 

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, Lannister said:

Indeed, atheists are rich in morality. I am specifically referring to reservations granted on religious grounds.

 

There is no reservations based on religious ground. Muslims were given reservation in the OBC category (backward class). You guys are filthy rich. 

[coffee_rules]

9 hours ago, Lannister said:

The perceived tolerance in Hinduism largely stems from our existence in a democratic society. Instances like the murders of Gowri and others serve as a reminder that this religion can be just as problematic as Islam.
 

We chose democray because we were hindus in majority. Otherwise, we would be an Islamic/Hindu Republic. Outliers happen , even in advanced world. America chose Democray in 1774, but were allowing slavery, had issues with civil rights even in 2020 *George Floyd/BLM etc). So, there are problems in every society, Besides, Gowri murder has indicments and charge-sheets and even arrests. Nothing is proven in court yet, no conviction to proclaim Hindu RWers killed her.  NIA recently arrested a commie who chopped the palms of a Hindu teacher.  No arrests were made when sadhus were lynched in Palghar. Even this week, Sadhus were publicly flogged naked in WB, No arrest yet. Nobody is going to protest if Gowri murder has culprts nabbed.