Jasprit Bumrah - Best average in last 100 years (min 150 wkts)

[Majestic]

3 minutes ago, New guy said:

Pant has been our test batsman by a long shot in past few years, particularly overseas. Bumrah our main bowler was missing too

Okay

[Chaos]

He would have made wi great bowlers…damn he is in our league!!

[Chaos]

Greatest bowler from india. Bonified great bowler

[Kron]

7 hours ago, Majestic said:

Whom did we missed vs Australia in WTC Final?

Bumrah pant. Jaiswal

 

So basically our best players. 

[Kron]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Greatest bowler from india. Bonified great bowler

He would crush it if he played alongside West Indian quartet. 

 

Don't need batsmen. Just have 5 goat level bowlers. 

 

[Rightarmfast]

@Muloghonto Just wanted to add more point and add more mirchi ( chilly) to our debate. When Ambrose was playing, even during that time he wasn't considered the out and out best of his era. Everyone considered Wasim Akram to be better than him. And almost everybody considered Waqar and Wasim duo as more deadly than Walsh and Ambrose. Hell, even Mcgrath was spoken in the same breadth as Ambrose, or even as a superior. 

But here you are claiming Ambrose to be the best of all time!

 

@Kron @express bowling Please correct me if I am wrong, I am happy to be put down if my points are incorrect 

[singhvivek141]

16 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

@Muloghonto Just wanted to add more point and add more mirchi ( chilly) to our debate. When Ambrose was playing, even during that time he wasn't considered the out and out best of his era. Everyone considered Wasim Akram to be better than him. And almost everybody considered Waqar and Wasim duo as more deadly than Walsh and Ambrose. Hell, even Mcgrath was spoken in the same breadth as Ambrose, or even as a superior. 

But here you are claiming Ambrose to be the best of all time!

 

@Kron @express bowling Please correct me if I am wrong, I am happy to be put down if my points are incorrect 

I might be wrong but Ambrose did was considered as one of the best. Walsh maybe not but Ambrose did. WI at that era has lost the charm and Ambrose retired in 1998-1999.

 

Akram & Waqar were more popular in India due to our pessimistic attitude in 90's, when we used to ridicule our own pacers and succumb to their supremacy. 

 

McGrath & Ambrose were pretty much comparable...it's just McGrath had a strong team thereby lifting his level several notches higher.

[Kron]

1 hour ago, Rightarmfast said:

@Muloghonto Just wanted to add more point and add more mirchi ( chilly) to our debate. When Ambrose was playing, even during that time he wasn't considered the out and out best of his era. Everyone considered Wasim Akram to be better than him. And almost everybody considered Waqar and Wasim duo as more deadly than Walsh and Ambrose. Hell, even Mcgrath was spoken in the same breadth as Ambrose, or even as a superior. 

But here you are claiming Ambrose to be the best of all time!

 

@Kron @express bowling Please correct me if I am wrong, I am happy to be put down if my points are incorrect 

I am not sure whether Ambrose is better than bumrah but bumrah is the best asian bowler of all time in terms of ability, fear factor and skills. He is better than both Ws and imran. 

 

He just needs to play another 30 games. 

 

Marshall for me will always be the best. Then mcgrath Ambrose steyn and bumrah Cummins rabada etc 

Add Garner roberts

[Kron]

2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I might be wrong but Ambrose did was considered as one of the best. Walsh maybe not but Ambrose did. WI at that era has lost the charm and Ambrose retired in 1998-1999.

 

Akram & Waqar were more popular in India due to our pessimistic attitude in 90's, when we used to ridicule our own pacers and succumb to their supremacy. 

 

McGrath & Ambrose were pretty much comparable...it's just McGrath had a strong team thereby lifting his level several notches higher.

Without mcgrath that so called goat aussie side is nothing. 

 

We drew there when mcg dint play. We struggled only when mcg played. 

 

Mcg is a goat level player. 

 

If punter slater tubby all dint play, it won't even matter. Not even Warne who did nothing vs india. It was mcg

 

 

I can visualise it. Mcg if he played vs rohit virat Gill he would get them out for under 5 runs. He would obliterate them and  finish their careers.

Edited June 21, 2024 by Kron

[Rightarmfast]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

I might be wrong but Ambrose did was considered as one of the best. Walsh maybe not but Ambrose did. WI at that era has lost the charm and Ambrose retired in 1998-1999.

 

Akram & Waqar were more popular in India due to our pessimistic attitude in 90's, when we used to ridicule our own pacers and succumb to their supremacy. 

 

McGrath & Ambrose were pretty much comparable...it's just McGrath had a strong team thereby lifting his level several notches higher.

Waqar and Wasim were popular everywhere. Just look at the way even today commentators speak about fast bowling in 90's and they all only talk about Wasim.

[singhvivek141]

14 minutes ago, Rightarmfast said:

Waqar and Wasim were popular everywhere. Just look at the way even today commentators speak about fast bowling in 90's and they all only talk about Wasim.

Yup, I'm aware. They also don't talk much about McGrath or Pollock or Donald. The reason is unclear and my wild guess is visibility.

 

Both Akram & Wasim are commentating actively, while McG, Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh are not. 

Those who are active in the cricket will be acknowledged more. Plus also Asian teams hype their players more.

 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Without mcgrath that so called goat aussie side is nothing. 

 

We drew there when mcg dint play. We struggled only when mcg played. 

 

Mcg is a goat level player. 

 

If punter slater tubby all dint play, it won't even matter. Not even Warne who did nothing vs india. It was mcg

 

 

I can visualise it. Mcg if he played vs rohit virat Gill he would get them out for under 5 runs. He would obliterate them and get finish their careers.

Yeah, both McGrath and Ambrose were wild.

Tall, hit the deck, reasonably quick, accurate & can seam the ball both ways.

Absolutely everything which modern day batters would struggle too. 

[Kron]

39 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yeah, both McGrath and Ambrose were wild.

Tall, hit the deck, reasonably quick, accurate & can seam the ball both ways.

Absolutely everything which modern day batters would struggle too. 

People think Jamieson is scary to face in helpful conditions. If they see McGrath they will shite their pants. He is super accurate and can get any lengths at will. 

[MediumPacer]

17 hours ago, New guy said:

You have to start early when you are young, not after you join the indian team. Other country has better nutrition and supplements from grass root levels.

Even war raveged countries don't look malnourished.

 

Indians look similar irrespective of where they live ,whether in India,carribean, Malaysia, Africa,Europe or americas,

[Kron]

46 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

Even war raveged countries don't look malnourished.

 

Indians look similar irrespective of where they live ,whether in India,carribean, Malaysia, Africa,Europe or americas,

Yea no. If they do it's usually the vegetarians ones. 

 

 

[MediumPacer]

4 minutes ago, Kron said:

Yea no. If they do it's usually the vegetarians ones. 

 

 

Animal protein is essential in a healthy diet and it definitely helps but it's not some magic potion.

 

There are millions of Indians who are non vegetarians.There are millions who are not even Hindu,so no compulsions what so ever in eating non veg.

 

Even abroad there are plenty of Indians of non Hindu faiths,there is plenty of diversity among indians to test these things. Overall I don't see much difference between all these indians of different backgrounds .

[Kron]

43 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

Animal protein is essential in a healthy diet and it definitely helps but it's not some magic potion.

 

There are millions of Indians who are non vegetarians.There are millions who are not even Hindu,so no compulsions what so ever in eating non veg.

 

Even abroad there are plenty of Indians of non Hindu faiths,there is plenty of diversity among indians to test these things. Overall I don't see much difference between all these indians of different backgrounds .

There is a difference between eating lean meat and Fried meat or biryani with Fried meats etc. 

India food Is ridiculously tasty for most people so I can understand why they indulge in it. 

 

And no I have seen far too may examples. It's a mixed bag. India has a huge gene pool. You will see all kinds. Plenty of everything r3ally. 

 

Come to Australia and see for yourself lol. Far too many big strong kids from Indian origin. I don't know maybe in your city, kids are poor or don't have access to proper nutrition. 

Edited June 21, 2024 by Kron

[Muloghonto]

7 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

@Muloghonto Just wanted to add more point and add more mirchi ( chilly) to our debate. When Ambrose was playing, even during that time he wasn't considered the out and out best of his era. Everyone considered Wasim Akram to be better than him. And almost everybody considered Waqar and Wasim duo as more deadly than Walsh and Ambrose. Hell, even Mcgrath was spoken in the same breadth as Ambrose, or even as a superior. 

But here you are claiming Ambrose to be the best of all time!

 

@Kron @express bowling Please correct me if I am wrong, I am happy to be put down if my points are incorrect 

 

Ambrose was considered the out and out best bowler in ICC rankings for most of the 90s. No one considered the two Ws to be a deadlier duo than the two Cs. Especially not in England, Australia or South Africa. Ambrose is by far the best bowler of the 90s. not the best bowler of all time.that is marshall. 

 

[Muloghonto]

5 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Yup, I'm aware. They also don't talk much about McGrath or Pollock or Donald. The reason is unclear and my wild guess is visibility.

 

Both Akram & Wasim are commentating actively, while McG, Pollock, Donald, Ambrose, Walsh are not. 

Those who are active in the cricket will be acknowledged more. Plus also Asian teams hype their players more.

 

 

 

Wasim is talked of all the time for two reasons: 1. He is the best left armer ever and 2. He had a very easy fast arm action with immense variety. You will notice they hardly ever talk of Waqar in the same breath. Ambrose was also famously anti-media so suffers from this. Throughout his playing career, he never gave an interview and only used one line repeatedly: " curtley talks to no man" . Thats one of the main reasons why he isnt talked of as much, especially given that Wasim was and is the polar opposite. 

 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

Animal protein is essential in a healthy diet and it definitely helps but it's not some magic potion.

 

There are millions of Indians who are non vegetarians.There are millions who are not even Hindu,so no compulsions what so ever in eating non veg.

 

Even abroad there are plenty of Indians of non Hindu faiths,there is plenty of diversity among indians to test these things. Overall I don't see much difference between all these indians of different backgrounds .

animal protein is the biggest driver for height in humans. 
The biggest proof of this, is China: The Chinese population have significantly increased their average height in kids born in the last 30 years, due to exponentially more protein available in their diet in the last 30 years as compared to before. 

Yes, i know, you 'can' replace animal protein with plant protein. But not very effectively, since animal protein has one untalked of advantage over plant protein:its usually pure protein & some fat, with almost zero carbs in it. Ie, eat a piece of chicken/mutton/fish/beef etc: you get anywhere from 70-95% protein and 5-30% fat. 
Replace it with plant protein, such as beans, lentils, etc and you are stuck with 30-40% carbs in the mix. So its very hard to consume adequate plant protein to spur height growth, without massively over-eating carbs and getting fat.