Jasprit Bumrah - Best average in last 100 years (min 150 wkts)

[Rightarmfast]

21 hours ago, putrevus said:

So now we have people saying Bumrah is better than Ambrose.I want to smoke what they are smoking.

This here, @putrevus is where you engaged with me and initiated this. This was a clear shot at me. Atleast have the decency to acknowledge. Cheers!

[Majestic]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

Batting is definitely easier now than in the 90s

 

By the same token, someone averaging 20 with ball now is better than someone doing it in 90s. Its simple.

 

It can't be both batting and bowling were tougher in 90s

In Tests?? Aren't the conditions more bowler friendly since 2018 onwards? India have had multiple tours to South Africa and we are well known of the conditions we got there and also the conditions which we give in India. West Indies, a minnow nation in Tests, where he averages 9 with bowl.

 

The conditions were balanced enough in England and Australia but one series in Australia was in 2018 where Smith and Warner weren't available and the batting wasn't at its strength.

 

In the 2020 Australia tour, Bumrah averaged 29.

Edited June 18, 2024 by Majestic

[Kron]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

Bumrah has been taking time off from both odis and t20s. It is not due to his workload he is getting injured.

 

Odi world cup is still lot more important than any t20 world cup.He will play IPL as he should as that is his money making opportunity.

 

 

Ambrose has 400 plus test wickets alone at avg 20.99.Let him reach 250 plus test wicket before calling him ATG.

 

 

 

does anyone really care about t20 world cup tbh> ?? its a joke format. fluke format. who cares?

odi and tests matters

[singhvivek141]

10 hours ago, putrevus said:

Bumrah has been taking time off from both odis and t20s. It is not due to his workload he is getting injured.

 

Odi world cup is still lot more important than any t20 world cup.He will play IPL as he should as that is his money making opportunity.

 

 

Ambrose has 400 plus test wickets alone at avg 20.99.Let him reach 250 plus test wicket before calling him ATG.

 

I personally isn't fan of milestones.

For me it doesn't matter if a bowler has 500 wickets or a batter has 50 centuries, as long as they do it with effectiveness and help us win matches across the globe. That's why Gavaskar chasing Bradman's stats of 29 centuries and Sachin chasing meaningless stat of 100 centuries was a waste. It may give personal glory but didn't help the team.

 

Bumrah from Indian context is a bona-fide ATG. Easily the best bowler in our history. If we can manage his workload, he can easily play till 2027 and end up around 250 Test wickets. Remember even James Anderson & Dale Steyn too played white ball cricket sporadically and focused only on red ball cricket.

 

The reason I am asking Bumrah to take off from ODI coz we have built over dependency on him. Without Bumrah our bowling simply looks lifeless and without any hope. We need to prepare other bowlers to take up the mantle and ODI at the moment is easiest format to find the feet.

[Kron]

11 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

Or he could've destroyed India in India like Walsh, who was a lesser bowler than him, did. He's already had a serious injury - the likes of which in the 80s or 90s would've ended his career. Whether he lasts or not is to be seen and until Bumrah can get to at least 300 wickets club in tests, he does not merit comparison with the ATGs.

Its just that simple.

 

He dint do that well vs Indians in west indies iirc though. Obviously a goat bowler still

[Kron]

7 hours ago, Majestic said:

In Tests?? Aren't the conditions more bowler friendly since 2018 onwards? India have had multiple tours to South Africa and we are well known of the conditions we got there and also the conditions which we give in India. West Indies, a minnow nation in Tests, where he averages 9 with bowl.

 

The conditions were balanced enough in England and Australia but one series in Australia was in 2018 where Smith and Warner weren't available and the batting wasn't at its strength.

 

In the 2020 Australia tour, Bumrah averaged 29.

bumrah averaged that cause we dropped so many tbh. he would have been 22 otherwise. 

[Kron]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

I personally isn't fan of milestones.

For me it doesn't matter if a bowler has 500 wickets or a batter has 50 centuries, as long as they do it with effectiveness and help us win matches across the globe. That's why Gavaskar chasing Bradman's stats of 29 centuries and Sachin chasing meaningless stat of 100 centuries was a waste. It may give personal glory but didn't help the team.

 

Bumrah from Indian context is a bona-fide ATG. Easily the best bowler in our history. If we can manage his workload, he can easily play till 2027 and end up around 250 Test wickets. Remember even James Anderson & Dale Steyn too played white ball cricket sporadically and focused only on red ball cricket.

 

The reason I am asking Bumrah to take off from ODI coz we have built over dependency on him. Without Bumrah our bowling simply looks lifeless and without any hope. We need to prepare other bowlers to take up the mantle and ODI at the moment is easiest format to find the feet.

bumrah can play till 36 easily man. just can play 5 tests a year. its not even much. he is super fit. 

[Ultimate_Game]

BCCI needs to manage Bumrah's workload across all formats. He should only be played in Test series in SENA, and a few key matches in India. And should be rested from bi-lateral ODIs and T20s for the most part, unless we're preparing for an upcoming tourney. Instead of focusing on milestones and cheap wkts, our aim should be to get the max out of Bumrah in terms of impact.

 

There's nothing to be gained by playing Bumrah in bi-lateral white-ball series, or against lesser teams, or at home. Treat him as gold dust and use him when required. Will also help us develop our bench strength.

Edited June 19, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[putrevus]

19 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

This here, @putrevus is where you engaged with me and initiated this. This was a clear shot at me. Atleast have the decency to acknowledge. Cheers!

Hey man I did not mean you in particular, I have seen the general tendency on this forum to hype up Bumrah .I don't have any problem in acknowleding anyone.

 

Coming to your point Bumrah is long way to go before he can even be compared to Ambrose.

[MediumPacer]

How many test series has he won in Sena.

 

Overhyped bowler ,mostly due to his jerky action. Being unathletic he will struggle in his 30s.

[putrevus]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I personally isn't fan of milestones.

For me it doesn't matter if a bowler has 500 wickets or a batter has 50 centuries, as long as they do it with effectiveness and help us win matches across the globe. That's why Gavaskar chasing Bradman's stats of 29 centuries and Sachin chasing meaningless stat of 100 centuries was a waste. It may give personal glory but didn't help the team.

 

Bumrah from Indian context is a bona-fide ATG. Easily the best bowler in our history. If we can manage his workload, he can easily play till 2027 and end up around 250 Test wickets. Remember even James Anderson & Dale Steyn too played white ball cricket sporadically and focused only on red ball cricket.

 

The reason I am asking Bumrah to take off from ODI coz we have built over dependency on him. Without Bumrah our bowling simply looks lifeless and without any hope. We need to prepare other bowlers to take up the mantle and ODI at the moment is easiest format to find the feet.

He is the best fast bowler in Indian history.He is an ATG Indian bowler.

 

IMO he is not yet a Bonafide ATG with just 150 test wickets. He will get there for sure if plays more matches.

 

There are many careers which have been cut short due to injuries. Shane Bond would have been an ATG if he was injury free.IMO playing minimum amount of test matches is prequiste to becoming ATG.

 

He can certainly take odis off and bilateral t20s too.They are playing too many t20 world cups.They have become meaningless.

 

I like odi more than t20s. It still needs quality of batting and bowling to do well in odis.Odi world cup is still the most important trophy for both players and teams.

 

IMO milestones are the benchmark for players to aim. But like you said they should come within the context of the team .Team always comes first.

 

Sachin and Kapil were hurting the team chasing those Milestones.Where as Sunny walked away while he was still great.Sunny to me has been the best Indian cricketer to walk away from game while being very good.

 

We cannot blame players for wanting to play longer also, selectors have to do their jobs.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, MediumPacer said:

How many test series has he won in Sena.

 

Overhyped bowler ,mostly due to his jerky action. Being unathletic he will struggle in his 30s.

Took 21 wickets in 4 Tests vs Australia in 2018...had an avg of 17.00

 

In 2021 tour to England picked up 18 wickets in 4 games. Last game which was cancelled due to Covid fiasco.

[MediumPacer]

11 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Took 21 wickets in 4 Tests vs Australia in 2018...had an avg of 17.00

 

In 2021 tour to England picked up 18 wickets in 4 games. Last game which was cancelled due to Covid fiasco.

that was his peak,though warner smith were missing

[Kron]

1 hour ago, MediumPacer said:

that was his peak,though warner smith were missing

Will u apply this logic to us losing to aus in wtc final too? Cause we missed 2/3 of our main players

[MediumPacer]

3 minutes ago, Kron said:

Will u apply this logic to us losing to aus in wtc final too? Cause we missed 2/3 of our main players

why not,but generally we lose outside no matter who plays

[Kron]

1 hour ago, MediumPacer said:

why not,but generally we lose outside no matter who plays

yea in england but why do we have to play in england only fml. **** weather. toss always favours those who win it. 

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, MediumPacer said:

that was his peak,though warner smith were missing

He is only 30 at the moment...will still have 3-4 years in hand before declining due to age n fitness.

[MediumPacer]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

yea in england but why do we have to play in england only fml. **** weather. toss always favours those who win it. 

I guess they will play oneday in India ,we will then win.

[MediumPacer]

37 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

He is only 30 at the moment...will still have 3-4 years in hand before declining due to age n fitness.

His best days are behind him, maybe he can get 200 test wkt,not many ind pacers have got there .

[Kron]

7 minutes ago, MediumPacer said:

I guess they will play oneday in India ,we will then win.

one off test i am not sure hahaha. we might lost. series we can easily beat any team in most places everywhere. 

we cant win pressure ko. until this chewitya kohli and roro retire

we need bold fearless players like pant etc