Team India extend world record to 17 consecutive test series wins on home soil

[BlueBlood]

Haha this is exactly why Indian team never wins ICC tournaments. Creating weird metrics of "Home" dominance.

 

What the hell does that even mean? The Aussies and WI ATG teams dominated both at home and abroad for long periods of time.

 

Smartly since 2012 all pitches have been spin dustbowls. Before it used to be only Chennai mainly.

 

This is like people who claim "first Latin American teen to climb mounteverst without Supplement oxygen" haha. 

 

Dominating overseas and doing it with ruthless aggression like ATG aussie and WI team is what will set the legacy.

[vvvslaxman]

7 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

Haha this is exactly why Indian team never wins ICC tournaments. Creating weird metrics of "Home" dominance.

 

What the hell does that even mean? The Aussies and WI ATG teams dominated both at home and abroad for long periods of time.

 

Smartly since 2012 all pitches have been spin dustbowls. Before it used to be only Chennai mainly.

 

This is like people who claim "first Latin American teen to climb mounteverst without Supplement oxygen" haha. 

 

Dominating overseas and doing it with ruthless aggression like ATG aussie and WI team is what will set the legacy.

 

India will not win any cup even in 100 years until they restructure their line up. Cannot win with 5 batsmen who can't bowl 5 bowlers who can't bat. Indian team in the last 10 years is never prepared for shock scenario other teams are.

[putrevus]

22 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

India will not win any cup even in 100 years until they restructure their line up. Cannot win with 5 batsmen who can't bowl 5 bowlers who can't bat. Indian team in the last 10 years is never prepared for shock scenario other teams are.

So they manufacture batsmen who can bowl and bowlers who can bat.

 

India was the best team in whole 2023 world cup. If guy like Bumrah and Shami could not defend that total who is to be blames. Batsmen cannot be expected to score 400 every time.

 

 

 

[putrevus]

ATG WI team with their great teams did not win after 1979 world cup. Does that mean they were bad teams.India was great team in 1983.

 

It is moronic to think teams  are no good if they don't win cups.

 

Idiots think they know better than everyone.It is a great achievement for Indian team to be so dominant at home.

Edited February 28 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

31 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So they manufacture batsmen who can bowl and bowlers who can bat.

 

India was the best team in whole 2023 world cup. If guy like Bumrah and Shami could not defend that total who is to be blames. Batsmen cannot be expected to score 400 every time.

 

 

 

One of the reason team stops scoring in crunch games is batting depth is woeful. I am talking about shock scenarios. After a mini collapse somewhere they just dont bat like they normally do.  It is true in crunch games

Edited February 28 by vvvslaxman

[putrevus]

16 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

One of the reason team stops scoring in crunch games is batting depth is woeful. I am talking about shock scenarios. After a mini collapse somewhere they just dont bat like they normally do.  It is true in crunch games

Batting depth is something which you cannot manufacture.England had all the batting depth , what did they do in this world cup.

 

If main batsmen or bowlers go missing then no amount of batting depth can win the matches.

 

It is nice to have multi dimensional players but they need to be very good in one skill.

Edited February 28 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Batting depth is something which you cannot manufacture.England had all the batting depth , what did they do in this world cup.

 

If main batsmen or bowlers go missing then no amount of batting depth can win the matches.

 

It is nice to have multi dimensional players but they need to be very good in one skill.

Teams are aware this is thr soft spot of India. Get rid of first 3 eickets early enough

 You can squeeze them. In bilaterals they recover as they have.no pressure. But in crunch  games they choke. India needs to come up with better strategies as well. We don't have a good LOI captain to pull off clutch wins with a team that has some.blind spots. We repeatedly allow the known blindspots to get the better of us. Until.then no matter how talented the side is we are not winning anything.

[putrevus]

47 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Teams are aware this is thr soft spot of India. Get rid of first 3 eickets early enough

 You can squeeze them. In bilaterals they recover as they have.no pressure. But in crunch  games they choke. India needs to come up with better strategies as well. We don't have a good LOI captain to pull off clutch wins with a team that has some.blind spots. We repeatedly allow the known blindspots to get the better of us. Until.then no matter how talented the side is we are not winning anything.

 If India got 3 early wickets against Australia in finals then they would have not won either.

 

In 2019 if NZ were 3 down for 8 then, no way they were scoring 240.It was overcast and in good bowling conditions.Bowlers did not do the job.

 

We don't have clutch fast bowlers to deliver knockout punch in these matches. Bowlers defended 183 in 1983, they defended 150 in 2007 world t20, they restricted SL to 270.

 

Overall team has been below par in crunch. You cannot manufacture depth you need players who are multi dimesnional.

Edited February 28 by putrevus

[Kron]

55 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 If India got 3 early wickets against Australia in finals then they would have not won either.

 

In 2019 if NZ were 3 down for 8 then, no way they were scoring 240.It was overcast and in good bowling conditions.Bowlers did not do the job.

 

We don't have clutch fast bowlers to deliver knockout punch in these matches. Bowlers defended 183 in 1983, they defended 150 in 2007 world t20, they restricted SL to 270.

 

Overall team has been below par in crunch. You cannot manufacture depth you need players who are multi dimesnional.

No 240 should have been easily chased sorry. Conducive conditions or not.

 

Thing is we got a day 2 pitch rather which stuffed us.

[putrevus]

11 minutes ago, Kron said:

No 240 should have been easily chased sorry. Conducive conditions or not.

 

Thing is we got a day 2 pitch rather which stuffed us.

I don't deny that but like you said, day 2 early morning screwed us.Kohli is the biggest culprit there, he is best batsman on the team, he should have taken India over the line.

[BlueBlood]

9 hours ago, putrevus said:

ATG WI team with their great teams did not win after 1979 world cup. Does that mean they were bad teams.India was great team in 1983.

 

It is moronic to think teams  are no good if they don't win cups.

 

Idiots think they know better than everyone.It is a great achievement for Indian team to be so dominant at home.

 

Haha. No one cares about Azhar, Ganguly, Ajay Jadeja, Sachin or even Dravid as captains. Everyone remembers Kapil and Dhoni.

That's how important winning world cups is. Sachin's whole legacy was cemented as he at least won one world cup compared to Lara for example.

 

The reality is, championships are there for a reason, they weed out the wannabes to the highest level of talent who get the job done.

 

Creating "new" form of congratulating yourself is what losers do. Putting dustbowls that suit your 3 spinners who are easily among the best in the world compared to what's available is obviously going to make things easy.

 

Imagine preparing these pitches for Warne or Murali or even Ajmal when he was in his chucking prime...  Would have streamrolled our batsmen.

 

There is no glory in that no matter how much chest thumping is done. Already in West Indies everyone has written off India's chances in T20 World Cup. That's how poor the team's standards are overseas in non-friendly conditions. The greatest opportunity of winning again at home was squandered by idiotic pitch tampering and stupid captaincy in the final.

 

So yes, I stand by what I say, when team India is fearless across all conditions and can give Aussies a run for their money in clutch situations, then we can discuss about ATG performances. Until then these are cherry picked stats padding as usual.

[putrevus]

3 minutes ago, BlueBlood said:

 

Haha. No one cares about Azhar, Ganguly, Ajay Jadeja, Sachin or even Dravid as captains. Everyone remembers Kapil and Dhoni.

That's how important winning world cups is. Sachin's whole legacy was cemented as he at least won one world cup compared to Lara for example.

 

The reality is, championships are there for a reason, they weed out the wannabes to the highest level of talent who get the job done.

 

Creating "new" form of congratulating yourself is what losers do. Putting dustbowls that suit your 3 spinners who are easily among the best in the world compared to what's available is obviously going to make things easy.

 

Imagine preparing these pitches for Warne or Murali or even Ajmal when he was in his chucking prime...  Would have streamrolled our batsmen.

 

There is no glory in that no matter how much chest thumping is done. Already in West Indies everyone has written off India's chances in T20 World Cup. That's how poor the team's standards are overseas in non-friendly conditions. The greatest opportunity of winning again at home was squandered by idiotic pitch tampering and stupid captaincy in the final.

 

So yes, I stand by what I say, when team India is fearless across all conditions and can give Aussies a run for their money in clutch situations, then we can discuss about ATG performances. Until then these are cherry picked stats padding as usual.

Haha ,  losers who have never done anything in life think wining is easy and give out asnine statements about winning.

 

India is doing just fine, as Tom Brady said keep knocking the door eventually they will burst open.  Indian team is doing that evenutally they will break those barriers.

 

I also standy Indian team is best ATG home team in history.

 

No teams of  Warne or Murali were beaten by Indian teams with one or two bowlers. They would be slaughtered by Kohli's teams.No team is past or present is beating last decade's team in India in series.

[BlueBlood]

17 hours ago, putrevus said:

Haha ,  losers who have never done anything in life think wining is easy and give out asnine statements about winning.

 

India is doing just fine, as Tom Brady said keep knocking the door eventually they will burst open.  Indian team is doing that evenutally they will break those barriers.

 

I also standy Indian team is best ATG home team in history.

 

No teams of  Warne or Murali were beaten by Indian teams with one or two bowlers. They would be slaughtered by Kohli's teams.No team is past or present is beating last decade's team in India in series.

 

On the contrary... I have played a sport at the state level. The main reason I couldn't progress is precisely the point of argument here, in the national/international level everyone is good, what separates them is they shut the opposition down during crunch situations and once you fail there, you are done for good.

 

It's losers who sit and tabulate stats all day to prove their point who don't know anything about winning. This was exactly the case when Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli were racking up bilateral tour wins and stat padding even when everyone smart on this board where saying Bilateral success doesn't equal success in crunch situations as the middle order and bowlers are not being tested. Results are there to be seen.

 

Interesting you note Tom Brady, who actually won the highest number of superbowls and became a ATG.

 

Unlike Kohli or Rohit who can't even win ONE in a sport where most countries don't even take it seriously where BCCI has the highest amount of money to pay for rehab, diet, fitness etc.

 

It's ridiculous that you talk about "ATG at home" that's like saying Shaheen Afridi is the best all time fast bowler in the first 2 overs he bowls or that Malinga is the best bowler of all time if you count only the balls he bowls that are perfect yorkers.

 

Look at overall record and championship wins. Can't even say team is favorite in next T20 world cup. Lost pathetically badly with AUS in world cup final and also in WTC tournaments. Even next 50 over world cup considering it will NOT be played in home conditions India is not favorite. Yet, you talk big words like "ATG", perfect loser mentality making up stats to make yourself feel better instead of looking at pure results.

 

[express bowling]

15 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

On the contrary... I have played a sport at the state level. The main reason I couldn't progress is precisely the point of argument here, in the national/international level everyone is good, what separates them is they shut the opposition down during crunch situations and once you fail there, you are done for good.

 

It's losers who sit and tabulate stats all day to prove their point who don't know anything about winning. This was exactly the case when Rohit, Dhawan, Kohli were racking up bilateral tour wins and stat padding even when everyone smart on this board where saying Bilateral success doesn't equal success in crunch situations as the middle order and bowlers are not being tested. Results are there to be seen.

 

Interesting you note Tom Brady, who actually won the highest number of superbowls and became a ATG.

 

Unlike Kohli or Rohit who can't even win ONE in a sport where most countries don't even take it seriously where BCCI has the highest amount of money to pay for rehab, diet, fitness etc.

 

It's ridiculous that you talk about "ATG at home" that's like saying Shaheen Afridi is the best all time fast bowler in the first 2 overs he bowls or that Malinga is the best bowler of all time if you count only the balls he bowls that are perfect yorkers.

 

Look at overall record and championship wins. Can't even say team is favorite in next T20 world cup. Lost pathetically badly with AUS in world cup final and also in WTC tournaments. Even next 50 over world cup considering it will NOT be played in home conditions India is not favorite. Yet, you talk big words like "ATG", perfect loser mentality making up stats to make yourself feel better instead of looking at pure results.

 

 

Superb post !

 

Agree with most things you say.

 

This Indian team has been very mediocre in ODIs and T20Is in the last 10 years. In this period we have played in 3 ODI WCs and 5 T20 WCs and not a single win in a sport with only 5 or 6 good teams. 

 

But this team has been genetally good in test matches. Away test series wins against big teams is the main thing in test cricket and we have defeated Australia twice in their own backyard in the last 5 years. This is something special !  And there have been 2 drawn away series in England and SA. Should have won in England if the series was completed in 2021 itself. Defeating big teams consistently in home test series adds to this legacy.

 

But the legacy of this Indian team in test cricket has been affected by 2 losses in 2 WTC Finals. This must be rectified if this Test Team wants to reach Elite level.

 

 

Edited March 1 by express bowling

[ungboysj]

Only test series win matter 

 

Odi 20 wc are just irrelevant 

 

India is doing very well just need series win in England nz sa in next cycle and we have achieved everything 

[Frustrated]

33 minutes ago, ungboysj said:

Only test series win matter 

 

Odi 20 wc are just irrelevant 

 

India is doing very well just need series win in England nz sa in next cycle and we have achieved everything 

WTC Finals are also part of the tests cycle. We lost 2 out of 2 Finals so far.  This record needs improvement. 

[Kron]

56 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

WTC Finals are also part of the tests cycle. We lost 2 out of 2 Finals so far.  This record needs improvement. 

Tbf location should change to which ever team finishes first in the ladder. Bs final location. Also it should be a 2 test series atleast or 3. If its a draw award it to who finished first. 

 

 

[Suhaan]

When will WTC final be held in non England venue?

[Frustrated]

7 minutes ago, Kron said:

Tbf location should change to which ever team finishes first in the ladder. Bs final location. Also it should be a 2 test series atleast or 3. If its a draw award it to who finished first. 

 

 

Agree.   Not sure how ICC allowed WTC final to be held only in Eng for the first 3 editions.  (Possibly 4th as well) LOL.  

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Suhaan said:

When will WTC final be held in non England venue?

 

Two things.

1) Venue

2) Timing

 

It almost always happens right after the IPL. IPL has cost us atleast 4 or 5 tests because of the timing. Either right before IPL or right after IPL. Before IPL they called in "covid fear" and ran away. After IPL they looked disintegrated while the other finalists got used to conditions ahead of time.