rollingstoned Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 10 minutes ago, Gollum said: In sports yeah, I still say we are way inferior, India is one of the worst sporting nations in the world. Cricket also overall we are behind them and Aus. One can indulge in too much wrist slitting hiding behind realism in seeing where we should be instead of where we have reached but that's just my 2 cents. Not all nations started from the same place where sports is concerned. I remember the 90s quite vividly still in cricket esp how we used to be a non-factor too often barring Sachin and I'd turn the tv off as soon as he got out. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 3 minutes ago, Kron said: How are we behind England in cricket? They won t20 cups. Nobody cares for those 3 ICC titles since 2010, and will only grow. Also historically they are way ahead. You must realize we sucked hard till 2001, only now has our W/L become 1. Our H2H against them is 35-51, will take at least another 2 decades to overturn that, at least!!!!! 3 minutes ago, Kron said: How many years have they been number 1 in tests? More than India. The summary of teams that have held the highest rating from 1952 to the present by whole month periods are: Team Total months Highest rating Australia 350 143 West Indies 235 135 England 106 125 India 102 130 South Africa 61 135 New Zealand 8 126 Pakistan 4 111 Reference: ICC Historical Rankings Forget number one, they have been ranked ahead of us for most of our history. They have won 5 test series in India, we have won 3 there. Don't be fooled by post 2013 results. We have been garbage for 6-7 decades, can't overturn that **** in couple of decades. But we can eventually do that since goras don't care much about cricket now. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 6 minutes ago, rollingstoned said: One can indulge in too much wrist slitting hiding behind realism in seeing where we should be instead of where we have reached but that's just my 2 cents. Not all nations started from the same place where sports is concerned. I remember the 90s quite vividly still in cricket esp how we used to be a non-factor too often barring Sachin and I'd turn the tv off as soon as he got out. Only if we come to terms with reality will we improve. I don't believe delusions of grandeur will take us anywhere. Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 England Is a. Joke. Padded up stats In amateur era in 30s 40s 50s etc. Weakest cricket nation amongst elite teams England also pathetic in football. 1 wc to show lol. Nothing team in hockey. Only good at rich man sports like swimming equestrian polo etc lol. Nothing in tennis. One Brit was a Scotsman. Access to high class facilities, higher standard of living yet Nothing to show for. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Gollum said: 3 ICC titles since 2010, and will only grow. Also historically they are way ahead. You must realize we sucked hard till 2001, only now has our W/L become 1. Our H2H against them is 35-51, will take at least another 2 decades to overturn that, at least!!!!! More than India. The summary of teams that have held the highest rating from 1952 to the present by whole month periods are: Team Total months Highest rating Australia 350 143 West Indies 235 135 England 106 125 India 102 130 South Africa 61 135 New Zealand 8 126 Pakistan 4 111 Reference: ICC Historical Rankings Forget number one, they have been ranked ahead of us for most of our history. They have won 5 test series in India, we have won 3 there. Don't be fooled by post 2013 results. We have been garbage for 6-7 decades, can't overturn that **** in couple of decades. But we can eventually do that since goras don't care much about cricket now. Yea so we can only win because goras don't care much for cricket lol ok. They won alot in amateur era when no one even could afford to play cricket in India. Edited March 9, 2024 by Kron Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) If you undermine 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s results calling it amateur era.....do it for field hockey as well, I challenge you. Heck we take pride in the 1980 Moscow gold with West and GOAT Pak boycotting the games. Then our Olympic record will look worse than Morocco and Puerto Rico. This is why I laugh when Indian fans get defensive about pre-1947 records. I mean you guys are ready to accept Dhyan Chand but not CK Nayudu, Lala Amarnath etc. Aisa kaise sambhav hai? Edited March 9, 2024 by Gollum Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Kron said: England also pathetic in football. 1 wc to show lol. An Indian is saying this? 9 minutes ago, Kron said: Nothing team in hockey. Better than India for most of last 4 decades. 9 minutes ago, Kron said: Only good at rich man sports like swimming equestrian polo etc lol. Nothing in tennis. One Brit was a Scotsman. An American, Spaniard or Aussie can say that. Hearing it from a fellow Indian makes me laugh. Edited March 9, 2024 by Gollum Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) Sorry for digressing but our Paris Olympics chances look very bleak. I am not sure we can surpass our Tokyo haul, shooters have to do something for a change. Lots of bad news there including form issues, injuries. And in hockey we have been placed in the tough group alongside Aus, Belgium, NZ, Argentina. Even if we do well, a QF clash against Germans or Dutch is inevitable, don't want to meet them so early. Edited March 9, 2024 by Gollum Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 20 minutes ago, Gollum said: An Indian is saying this? Better than India for most of last 4 decades. An American, Spaniard or Aussie can say that. Hearing it from a fellow Indian makes me laugh. We don't have the standard of living, infrastructure of financial.backing to succeed in these other sports. Cause England stole it from us in the first place. Our college systems don't even promote sports and parents don't encourage it. There is not much financial incentive in doing so. And yes they are a nothing nation. Even their wins in so called rich man's sport is via imports mostly. You talk about inferiority complex for some Indians but you are literally reflecting that with your statements. You literally just said we don't have the talent or the skill or attributes to compete with England after we lost test. That too with an under strength team and by 28 runs with passengers in the team. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 2 minutes ago, Kron said: And yes they are a nothing nation. Even their wins in so called rich man's sport is via imports mostly. La la land. Inferiority complex and speaking facts are different. You will see it reflected in medals tally of Paris, coming soon. Link to comment
rollingstoned Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 13 minutes ago, Gollum said: Only if we come to terms with reality will we improve. I don't believe delusions of grandeur will take us anywhere. Realism yes, not addictive wrist slitting and doom mongering. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 21 minutes ago, Gollum said: La la land. Inferiority complex and speaking facts are different. You will see it reflected in medals tally of Paris, coming soon. Ok we will see exactly what sports the so called greaT poms excel at in Paris. Again without imports they are cypher Without money and infrastructure which was stolen from us they are a zero They still are with all that financial backing. We don't have 1/10th of their budget for sports. Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 Rowing? Lol ok rich sport Even there australia will brutally thrash England Polo? They are a joke even there Swimming? Ok some medals again australia win win there Too many medals get dished out in swimming. Rich man's sport btw. Swimming lessons are costly Ice skating, figure skating and a bunch of other sports like diving etc. Biking they may win a few. Mostly with women. Again rich man's sports. They can never compete with elite teams that have financial backing in popular sports. Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 Lol just checked England's tally in 2020 olympics. Half in women's sports. Mostly sailing. Cycling etc. Swimming and any type of combat one was in women's sports. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kron said: Lol just checked England's tally in 2020 olympics. Half in women's sports. Mostly sailing. Cycling etc. Swimming and any type of combat one was in women's sports. Why so dismissive towards women's sports? Women won both our medals in 2016 and saved us from ultimate humiliation, then Lovlina, Sindhu, Mirabai in 2020. Are you not proud of them? Boxing, athletics are also sports, no? Edited March 9, 2024 by Gollum Kron 1 Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 6 minutes ago, rollingstoned said: Realism yes, not addictive wrist slitting and doom mongering. The day Indian HDI reaches at even Central Asian level we would start competing with West & likes of SoKo Japs in many sports. I think pre or contemporary Rigvedic Indians/South Asians would be at similar Athletic and genetic level of our DNA brothers Iranians and Central Asians... Post that thousands of years of Poverty and climatic & cultural reasons made genetics kinda lose that edge... Otherwise no reason wth happened. South Asia still is worst sporting region on the planet along with SEA. Greek Travelers like Megasthenes did mention Indians were as Taller as Greeks/Persians... That's the earliest account of a foreigner depicting Ancient Indians via their lens. rollingstoned 1 Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 20 minutes ago, Gollum said: Why so dismissive towards women's sports? Women won both our medals in 2016 and saved us from ultimate humiliation, then Lovlina, Sindhu, Mirabai in 2020. Are you not proud of them? Boxing, athletics are also sports, no? People aren't being fair in India. Cmon do you really think our parents would encourage us to participate in diving, swimming etc. Average person in India cant afford such sports. Plus you know how corrupt we are. It will take a long time for us to reach that elite level across sports. China has achieved it but they are a communist country and have serious financial backing for sports etc. Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 Just now, Kron said: People aren't being fair in India. Cmon do you really think our parents would encourage us to participate in diving, swimming etc. Average person in India cant afford such sports. Plus you know how corrupt we are. It will take a long time for us to reach that elite level across sports. China has achieved it but they are a communist country and have serious financial backing for sports etc. Our flaws, we must accept our shortcomings and work on them. Kron 1 Link to comment
Gollum Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: The day Indian HDI reaches at even Central Asian level we would start competing with West & likes of SoKo Japs in many sports. Isolated regions like Haryana, Punjab, Manipur, Andhra (badminton) can't do it all alone. Other states must pull their weight. I say the same for even chess, we literally have zero GMs from 70% of our states.....best players from Punjab, Haryana, JK, Rajasthan etc. are weaker than thousands of schoolchildren from Chennai. I read recently about a 1900 becoming Rajasthan's state champ, trust me there are ICFers stronger than that player, and 7 year olds from traditional centres. Unless we expand beyond traditional zones, we can't match Russia in chess or even Iran/Kaz in Olympics. Edited March 9, 2024 by Gollum Lone Wolf 1 Link to comment
Kron Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 29 minutes ago, Gollum said: Isolated regions like Haryana, Punjab, Manipur, Andhra (badminton) can't do it all alone. Other states must pull their weight. I say the same for even chess, we literally have zero GMs from 70% of our states.....best players from Punjab, Haryana, JK, Rajasthan etc. are weaker than thousands of schoolchildren from Chennai. I read recently about a 1900 becoming Rajasthan's state champ, trust me there are ICFers stronger than that player, and 7 year olds from traditional centres. Unless we expand beyond traditional zones, we can't match Russia in chess or even Iran/Kaz in Olympics. That's depressing to hear. I agree 70% don't produce talent for chess. Mostly come from south. Needs to change. Link to comment
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