Selection Watch Thread .... Agarkar and his team have started to do a good job

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

I'm concerned about the upcoming WC in 27

Who we will bowl with?Means who are our next set of pacers?

Bumrah will be 34,dare I say he will be borderline passenger then

If we don't address that we will be back to square one

Our pace bowling is slowly but steadily getting weak with passage of time

A tours are good sources to look upon the options available

+ Vijay Hazare,Deodhar even FC to choose from(provided you are just not only looking at the stats but also impact and contribution to the side)

And batsmen who used to bowl shouldn't be content with 1 D ability,they should be forced to roll their arms to create more depth in batting

I must add pacers too must be asked to add ability with the bat

And please kick out Mhambrey and Rathouieurrreey

Hope this pace bowler annual contract bring out more pacers.  

[Suhaan]

20 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Most of our issues with our new  player development is continuity. If you look at a lot of new players they come in only when there is an injury problem. Once the player in question has recovered these guys take the back seat. Very much like what happened to Akash deep. We lose them after that. As i said in other thread India has too many players to choose from. So there is an increased chance of backing the wrong guy and missing out on some hidden gems.  In order to keep the continuity going India has to arrange more A tours.

Senior quota must be ended

I understand superstars like Rohit,Kohli getting special treatment (sad though but it is what it is)

But , seriously Kela,Siraj,Pandua etc

Why you have to pamper these inconsistent names and miss out on guys like Kuldeep Yadav and Jurel

Edited March 10 by Suhaan

[tapandrun]

First and Foremost should be selection of high potential, longterm prospects should be selected, giving priority to low potential players in last decade or so let Ind team struggling to find a proper no.4 till date, till date Ind is unable to fill the gap created by Yuvi, Raina and Dhoni. This should have been concerning them.

 

Not oppose to any age player, if they are good they are good some are late boomers thats okay, but player coming into Intnl team in 28-30+ should straight plug into the team and should act and perform like seasoned player rather than looking out of sorts- Bharat, Mukesh, Partidar (Small sample but still was picked over Sarfarz and was coming from good form) all looked sub intnl level with such a junior team mates they should have shouldered the team.

 

Secondly rightly pointed out by other posters are well - its time BCCI realizes T20, ODI are Test are different games. Players should be picked for specific formats.

Yes more players will pivot towards T20s as work and rewards situation is skewed but that is what it is and now that T20s are in Asian and Olympics then this should be kept into mind for panning 

 

Coming to players, younger batters needs to aim for atleast an avg. of 45 in all format, try adding modern shots making and all around cricketing shot, we are seeing this Iyer he is not comfortable with short ball his intnl career is in balance and everything should be aimed at winning. Their aim should be clear WC, trophies Marquee events. 

 

T20 is a 100 m sprint and Test is a marathon, both v.different sport both req. different skill set and conditioning etc. ODI are becoming like 200 m a v.good Sprinter can do well but not  marathon runner.

 

Bowlers:

Need proper pacers these days 140+ kmph is must and add some kind of batting ability to it- 20, 30 runs in test from no. 9/10 gives team extra 60-75 runs and good hitting ability in T20 say atleast a boundary in 4/5 balls , with the amount of cricket bowlers will get injured more frequently and then they have to recover and still need to keep the pace high. Good examples of dropping the pace after injury Shaheen - he was talked in same terms as Bhumrah, Starc, Cummins etc, now after cutting down on pace he looks like any other bowler, there are many examples of this bt Shaheen is v.recent and relatable.

 

Off spinner have to be a full-time batter a proper top 6 if not top 5 batter, else they need to have some mystery to their bowling, Ind needs to look into leg spinning options .

 

Overall donot think Ind is getting exception fielders in upcoming player--not sure why that is still Kolhi and Jadeja in their mid 30s are the best fielders Ind has.

 

Not sure what BCCI is scouting for -- Sen, Mayank, Umraan, Tiyagi, Rana all are there waiting for their proper chances to play and develop.

Scouting for Khaleel , he has been playing since the days of U-19, not sure what scouting means for selectors and tm.

 

They wasted their time with Unadkat, Avesh,Saini, Chahal (kind of recycling with him) and now with Mukesh - Recycling of already tried and tested players is not good at intnl level in sports unless they are performing exceptionally well at lower levels.

 

Going into a marquee event the team should look like contender not pretenders --Have been having for a v.long time now, and with the kind of resources in all aspects it should not have been the case. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 10 by tapandrun

[MK55]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

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Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

He’s getting better. As you mentioned, giving Akash Deep a chance over guys like Avesh, Unadkad was a good sign. 

But he needs to do more, a LOT more. I want at least two among Harshit, Mayank, Umran, Tyagi in internationals. We’ve seen almost side in world cricket give a chance to a tear away purely on the basis of their potential. 
At least in low profile series, there has to be a conscious effort to include 2 of these guys. 

[express bowling]

1 minute ago, MK55 said:

He’s getting better. As you mentioned, giving Akash Deep a chance over guys like Avesh, Unadkad was a good sign. 

But he needs to do more, a LOT more. I want at least two among Harshit, Mayank, Umran, Tyagi in internationals. We’ve seen almost side in world cricket give a chance to a tear away purely on the basis of their potential. 
At least in low profile series, there has to be a conscious effort to include 2 of these guys. 

 

I agree completely. And not just give chances but also oversee the development process as selectors have that power to some extent. 

 

Mayank and Harshit are in the loop and Umran has got a contract. But Tyagi must be looked after too. 

[express bowling]

One excellent thing, happening in the recent past, is A-tours taking place just before an important series.

 

We saw it in SA and this England series too.

 

This trend should continue. 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Senior quota must be ended

I understand superstars like Rohit,Kohli getting special treatment (sad though but it is what it is)

But , seriously Kela,Siraj,Pandua etc

Why you have to pamper these inconsistent names and miss out on guys like Kuldeep Yadav and Jurel

 

 

A very very important point brother.

 

Even average players' positions are being guarded by the TMs these days. 

[Vijy]

30 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

A very very important point brother.

 

Even average players' positions are being guarded by the TMs these days. 

if Umesh and Aaron near the start of their careers had the kind of backing Siraj did, they would have done far better. they had a higher ceiling than Mirage

[tweaker]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @singhvivek141, @rollingstoned, @SRT100, @raki05, @Lone Wolf @Vijy, @tweaker, @tapandrun, @sensible-indian, @Gollum, @cricspirit, @Sandz,@MK55, @Trichromatic, @vvvslaxman, @Malcolm Merlyn, @vishalvirsingh, @AuxiliA, @Lord

 

 

 

Which areas need further focus in terms of new player development and selection according to you guys. 

 

We can track new player development and selection in this thread, including the areas which need further focus. 

 

Agarkar needs to find replacement for Rohit,Kohli,Jadeja,Ashwin,Shami and Bumrah.In this series we found that the seniors miss the series due to one reason or another.

After Bumrah and Shami ,there is gulf of difference between next set of fast bowlers ie Siraj,Mukesh,Avesh etc and  didnt like the decision of team management ignoring the credential of Akashdeep.

 

 Jaiswal,Rinku,Jurel,Akashdeep should be selected in odi soon.

 

I would like the selectors to take risks on.players ie Sarfaraz,Riyan,Tyagi and give them consistent games.

[vvvslaxman]

26 minutes ago, tweaker said:

 

Agarkar needs to find replacement for Rohit,Kohli,Jadeja,Ashwin,Shami and Bumrah.In this series we found that the seniors miss the series due to one reason or another.

After Bumrah and Shami ,there is gulf of difference between next set of fast bowlers ie Siraj,Mukesh,Avesh etc and  didnt like the decision of team management ignoring the credential of Akashdeep.

 

 Jaiswal,Rinku,Jurel,Akashdeep should be selected in odi soon.

 

I would like the selectors to take risks on.players ie Sarfaraz,Riyan,Tyagi and give them consistent games.

 

I sense Kaverappa might be brought in soon.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

 

Agarkar needs to find replacement for Rohit,Kohli,Jadeja,Ashwin,Shami and Bumrah.In this series we found that the seniors miss the series due to one reason or another.

After Bumrah and Shami ,there is gulf of difference between next set of fast bowlers ie Siraj,Mukesh,Avesh etc and  didnt like the decision of team management ignoring the credential of Akashdeep.

 

 Jaiswal,Rinku,Jurel,Akashdeep should be selected in odi soon.

 

I would like the selectors to take risks on.players ie Sarfaraz,Riyan,Tyagi and give them consistent games.

no need to find replacement for bumrah and jadeja yet. maybe not even kohli. all these have 2-3 yr in them at least.

 

yes to finding replacements for shami, ashwin, and rohit

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

A very very important point brother.

 

Even average players' positions are being guarded by the TMs these days. 

 

Yea. Dravid was going gaga over 14 runs from KS Bharat

[Vijy]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Yea. Dravid was going gaga over 14 runs from KS Bharat

perhaps they are in a secret (torrid) relationship

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

I agree completely. And not just give chances but also oversee the development process as selectors have that power to some extent. 

 

Mayank and Harshit are in the loop and Umran has got a contract. But Tyagi must be looked after too. 

Tyagi need to own this IPL season.

Shami's injury has opened a door for him in GT, now he has to compete with Umesh, Sushant for a place in XI, little easier now.

 

He need to bowl fast and aggressive, this is his golden ticket. As the competition is now getting bigger & bigger. He also need to do the "tyag" of his state team.

[singhvivek141]

7 hours ago, tweaker said:

 

Agarkar needs to find replacement for Rohit,Kohli,Jadeja,Ashwin,Shami and Bumrah.In this series we found that the seniors miss the series due to one reason or another.

After Bumrah and Shami ,there is gulf of difference between next set of fast bowlers ie Siraj,Mukesh,Avesh etc and  didnt like the decision of team management ignoring the credential of Akashdeep.

 

 Jaiswal,Rinku,Jurel,Akashdeep should be selected in odi soon.

 

I would like the selectors to take risks on.players ie Sarfaraz,Riyan,Tyagi and give them consistent games.

It's sad that in India, young players are given opportunity not on their merit, but only when seniors want rest or get injured.

 

The names you mentioned, I doubt Dravid & co are even aware of their existence. All they know about is mediocre Ranji cricketers who are 30+ year old with no special skill. They're just given chances on the basis of experience.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

Tyagi need to own this IPL season.

Shami's injury has opened a door for him in GT, now he has to compete with Umesh, Sushant for a place in XI, little easier now.

 

He need to bowl fast and aggressive, this is his golden ticket. As the competition is now getting bigger & bigger. He also need to do the "tyag" of his state team.

Correct,and then small steps

Try to act smart and somehow play FC to slowly get into our test reckoning list very much as you said Shami being injured opens gate for him and others both in GT and national side

Edited March 11 by Suhaan

[tweaker]

@express bowling

Virat Kohli missed the five test series due to personal reason

He will most probably available for full season of IPL.

We know what his priorities are and we have seen how young players have played when.Virat and some seniors were not available. 

 

The answer is quite obvious, due to Virat popularity ,ad revenue ,PR,Anushka in stands cheering him,

Do you think he just walks in the playing 11 in next test series.

 

[New guy]

7 hours ago, Vijy said:

perhaps they are in a secret (torrid) relationship

Can't imagine Dravid doing anything torrid in his life.

[express bowling]

1 hour ago, tweaker said:

@express bowling

 

Do you think he just walks in the playing 11 in next test series.

 

 

 

We all know the answer, don't we !

[Sgattick10]

On 3/10/2024 at 12:52 PM, express bowling said:

Need to find an off spinner strike bowler who can bat at No.8. Need a backup for the aging Ashwin. 

How about Manav Suthar? I know he is left arm spin but can be decent replacement for Jaddu. Can bat as well.