raki05 Posted April 1 Share Posted April 1 8 hours ago, putrevus said: Kohli is not irreplacable but if David Malan has spot in England team for keeping one end up.Why are we blaming one guy who has scored 50 plus in every knockout match since 2014.Did he get any help from any other batsman or bowlers.Pandya did score 63 in 2022. Is Kohli worse than David Milan. I agree kohli is better than other old fart in t20, actually he is t20 GOAT. My satirical response was particularly to Adamant and his in general defending of kohli irrespective of format situations. Link to comment
Suhaan Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 On 3/30/2024 at 8:44 PM, AKane said: I would not be surprised to see the peerless KL back in as opener/wk for T20 WC. He is priming himself for that role with the around 150 SR innings. The 150 SR will be down to 120 in T20Is in the powerplay.... and it is all lining up nicely! The peerless KL is BACK. We the fans ,Cheerless when peerless KL is around Link to comment
Suhaan Posted April 2 Author Share Posted April 2 14 hours ago, putrevus said: What was the winning score in 2022 world t20 finals.In case some geniuses have forgotton. It was 138 scored in 19th over. This nonsense some people keep taking as if every team is scoring 220 plus every match. Gambhir scored under 140 SR but he ended up as world cup winner in 2007 as he had bowlers who were able to bowls spells like 4-0-16-3 and 4--0-26-3. When was last time any Indian bowler took 3 wickets in a knock out match. Some idiots keep talking anybody can score risk free 40 ball 50 in t20s in knock out matches.Then why is it it is same guy who is scoring those 50s in all those knockout matches. But that maych was lost due to paks pathetic batting,jeet liye match wo? Had they scored 170+,sure they would have got better chance maybe they could have won Like you I too also don't want to believe that we carried a decent attack We had boobie,Arshadeep these two supposedly swing bowlers had to use the new ball but they kept handing sweet dishes to Butler and Hales Atleast 4-5 wickets should have been priced out But you can never deny this as well,we let Livingstone finish his overs so cheaply Link to comment
putrevus Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 9 hours ago, Suhaan said: But that maych was lost due to paks pathetic batting,jeet liye match wo? Had they scored 170+,sure they would have got better chance maybe they could have won Like you I too also don't want to believe that we carried a decent attack We had boobie,Arshadeep these two supposedly swing bowlers had to use the new ball but they kept handing sweet dishes to Butler and Hales Atleast 4-5 wickets should have been priced out But you can never deny this as well,we let Livingstone finish his overs so cheaply Pakistan batting was pathetic for a reason. Sam Curran and Rashid ? Point is you need bowlers too. I am not in denial that India missed out chances against scoring spin bowling .Kohli always had issues scoring at 150 plus SR against spin bowling like Livingston and Rashid.But he had other attributes which made him an asset to t20 team. Why are we pinning the losses on one player in t20s and two players in 50 overs. When are we putting bowlers on notice,Bhuvi and co never looked like taking a wicket or even putting pressure on the England batsmen. Guy like Bumrah keeps getting a pass for his knockout failures and we keep pinning losses on shoulders of same one guy in t20s and same two guys in 50 overs. Rohit and Kohli had their chances,so did Bumrah.When will he show up in crunch match and take wickets. When will see Indian bowlers bowling spell 4-0-12-3 like Sam curran did in finals or Irfan Pathan did in 2007. Even in 2003 world cup mighty Australian team scored just 212 runs but their bowlers defended it easily. Are we addressing the bowling aspect of the team. Edited April 2 by putrevus Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 2 hours ago, putrevus said: Pakistan batting was pathetic for a reason. Sam Curran and Rashid ? Point is you need bowlers too. I am not in denial that India missed out chances against scoring spin bowling .Kohli always had issues scoring at 150 plus SR against spin bowling like Livingston and Rashid.But he had other attributes which made him an asset to t20 team. Why are we pinning the losses on one player in t20s and two players in 50 overs. When are we putting bowlers on notice,Bhuvi and co never looked like taking a wicket or even putting pressure on the England batsmen. Guy like Bumrah keeps getting a pass for his knockout failures and we keep pinning losses on shoulders of same one guy in t20s and same two guys in 50 overs. Rohit and Kohli had their chances,so did Bumrah.When will he show up in crunch match and take wickets. When will see Indian bowlers bowling spell 4-0-12-3 like Sam curran did in finals or Irfan Pathan did in 2007. Even in 2003 world cup mighty Australian team scored just 212 runs but their bowlers defended it easily. Are we addressing the bowling aspect of the team. Indian bowling did well in 2019 semi final except chahal. Also can't defend meager total of 241 at Ahmedabad under lights. Well below par total. Still they created chances. But no slips. No excuse for not hitting a 4 with home crowd support for 30 overs. Link to comment
putrevus Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Indian bowling did well in 2019 semi final except chahal. Also can't defend meager total of 241 at Ahmedabad under lights. Well below par total. Still they created chances. But no slips. No excuse for not hitting a 4 with home crowd support for 30 overs. No they did not do well in 2019 semis either. It was overcast day, they just could not get any wickets with new ball there also. If they keep scoring 400 plus why do they need Bumrah and co.They could pick any top dick and harry. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 6 minutes ago, putrevus said: No they did not do well in 2019 semis either. It was overcast day, they just could not get any wickets with new ball there also. If they keep scoring 400 plus why do they need Bumrah and co.They could pick any top dick and harry. They created chance. Dhoni put down. You can't blame them. That was not a 10/4 wicket Link to comment
putrevus Posted April 2 Share Posted April 2 (edited) 8 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: They created chance. Dhoni put down. You can't blame them. That was not a 10/4 wicket Yes you can, you are allowed to create more chance in bowler friendly conditions .When you have nutcase like DK and Rahul playing it is hard to overcome losses of main batsmen. Dhoni is the gift which has kept giving Indian cricket since 2011. Edited April 2 by putrevus Lord 1 Link to comment
mani sha Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 On 4/2/2024 at 5:45 AM, putrevus said: Pakistan batting was pathetic for a reason. Sam Curran and Rashid ? Point is you need bowlers too. I am not in denial that India missed out chances against scoring spin bowling .Kohli always had issues scoring at 150 plus SR against spin bowling like Livingston and Rashid.But he had other attributes which made him an asset to t20 team. Why are we pinning the losses on one player in t20s and two players in 50 overs. When are we putting bowlers on notice,Bhuvi and co never looked like taking a wicket or even putting pressure on the England batsmen. Guy like Bumrah keeps getting a pass for his knockout failures and we keep pinning losses on shoulders of same one guy in t20s and same two guys in 50 overs. Rohit and Kohli had their chances,so did Bumrah.When will he show up in crunch match and take wickets. When will see Indian bowlers bowling spell 4-0-12-3 like Sam curran did in finals or Irfan Pathan did in 2007. Even in 2003 world cup mighty Australian team scored just 212 runs but their bowlers defended it easily. Are we addressing the bowling aspect of the team. Bumrah .shami take wickets in crunch matches . Limited overs u need to outbat not outbowl test matches u have to outbowl mainly our success in tests has been due to bowling in limited overs our top 3 stat padders have not allowed us to win . Rohit now tries to hit out from ball one . This gives us some hope kohli is now batting for centuries . We are doomed . Link to comment
Kron Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 If india want to win ko, drop repeat offenders like rohit kohli kl etc. They have failed constantly in ko. Use them in group games and then take affirmative action to drop them in crunch matches. This nfl coach dropped own son in ko matches cause he felt he couldn't handle pressure.. In India there will be huge backlash but if you want to win then such measures have to be taken Also do not hesitate to drop bunrah. If he goes missing drop him instantly. Same with siraj nevada and Ultimate_Game 1 1 Link to comment
putrevus Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 (edited) 10 hours ago, mani sha said: Bumrah .shami take wickets in crunch matches . Limited overs u need to outbat not outbowl test matches u have to outbowl mainly our success in tests has been due to bowling in limited overs our top 3 stat padders have not allowed us to win . Rohit now tries to hit out from ball one . This gives us some hope kohli is now batting for centuries . We are doomed . Who said you need to out bowl in limited overs. England won last t20 by knocking Pakistan out for 138. Rohit and Kohli are reason why India has been reaching semifinals in 50 overs and Kohli has been playing one man army in t20s. When Bumrah does something in knockout match and not piss in his pants we will revisit his bowling. Edited April 7 by putrevus Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 31 minutes ago, putrevus said: Who said you need to out bowl in limited overs. England won last t20 by knocking Pakistan out for 138. Rohit and Kohli are reason why India has been reaching semifinals in 50 overs and Kohli has been playing one man army in t20s. When Bumrah does something in knockout match and not piss in his pants we will revisit his bowling. Reaching semi finals don't mean anything. In cricket there're barely 3-4 strong teams other than India. We can replace these two and India would reach semis. The very fact they've not shown up in barely any knockout match not featuring B5'desh show how poor and impactless they've been. We've seen enough and we want batsmen who can show up when needed at the crunch and not score soft runs at league/group stages. They've been so poor in crunch games that someone like Travis Head has a better record in matches which really matter in just a year (2023) compared to Kohli and Sharma despite them playing for nearly 15 years, and countless tourneys. Both deserve to be dropped along with KL and youngsters like Abhishek, Jaiswal, Parag etc. deserve chances. We can't do worse than TTFs, and enough of "King" of soft runs. Link to comment
Chaos Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 He wont be dropped. No point in wasting our energy. Vk1, Ultimate_Game and cricketfan28 1 2 Link to comment
putrevus Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 Question needs to be asked if 160-180 is good enough score. If answer is yes Kohli is in, if answer is no then he is out. But who are the guys who are playing then? Link to comment
Suhaan Posted April 7 Author Share Posted April 7 (edited) Kohli has zero,nada,anda,ciphwr powergame left Anyone who sees his utility in t20s as of now (not based on past heroics,)needs to get his iq or should get a mental disorder check asap as soon as he reads this post Edited April 7 by Suhaan mani sha 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 This is an interesting thread about how Kohli farms the strike mani sha 1 Link to comment
cricketfan28 Posted April 7 Share Posted April 7 all hopes on shoonya .. lets hope he delivers .. Iam pretty sure he will deliver against minnows..rest is luck and conditions. Link to comment
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