Ajit Agarkar one-man army behind Dhruv Jurel and Devdutt Padikkal's selections; will have last word in T20 WC squad

[AKane]

4 minutes ago, jf1gp_1 said:

I could claim team was let down by Sachin himself (specially when he also was the captain) when they failed to chase 120 against WI.

er.... who scored 92 in first inning? Any one score more than him in that match for India? Oh ok ....he has to perform in all innings.

[Throwaib_Chuckter]

On 3/15/2024 at 4:32 AM, singhvivek141 said:

KL shouldn't be part of any format.

 

He should be allowed to play in the 100s or other leagues(abroad) as a dipstick check.

Chuckte Raho

TC

[singhvivek141]

17 hours ago, putrevus said:

Rohit has done everyting possible in odis to win atleast one world cup.While Kohli has done very well in both formats, they both deserved to win multiple trophies.

 

Unfortunately they have been saddled with useless bozos who never could help them for decade.If they failed Indian team is destined for a loss.

 

No player including Sachin ever had to carry this load.Sachin had luxury of walking off as winner even when he got out cheaply.

 

Dhoni was carried by other team members to multiple trophies. 

 

These two guys never had that luxury.Most unfortunate guys who have been saddled with utterly useless supporting cast.

 

What can they win when they had an ace bowler who cracks under even slightest pressure.

 

Useless Dravid has not helped them one bit.

Sorry, but this wasn't the case.

From 1992-1998...Sachin was the Lone superstar of our team. All the likes of Sidhu, Manjrekar etc were as good as Iyer's, Manish Pandey's, SKY'S of this era.

 

Sachin got good support post arrival of Ganguly & later Sehwag & Yuvraj. But for first 8-10 he had no one with him.

 

Good examples in 2003 WC...Sachin played a very key role in that tournament, smashing the daylights of Wasim-Waqar-Shoaib. He was perhaps the only one from India who played with an SR of over 100 (wc to be corrected) in that game and beat those "legends" to the pulp, which later allowed Yuvraj & Dravid to not panic and take the team to victory. In final once he flopped, entire team just folded without a fight. 

 

Sachin for almost 40% of his career was the one man army. Post tennis elbow his power in strokes were restricted and hence he had to look for other less destructive strokes, that's where others took up the mantle. But someone averaging 44 in that era with an SR of 86 was exceptional altogether. Likes of Ponting, Lara etc had the SR of less than 80, which shows what Sachin was.

 

Nowadays even someone like Pathum Nissanka averages 45 in ODI, who is as good as Upul Tharanga.

Edited March 17 by singhvivek141

[singhvivek141]

36 minutes ago, Throwaib_Chuckter said:

He should be allowed to play in the 100s or other leagues(abroad) as a dipstick check.

Chuckte Raho

TC

He will warm the benches there as well, no one will accept 31(25) or on good day 79(60) from him on a 200 run patta pitch.

 

T20's nowadays need the batters who can strike at a minimum SR of 150. Era of 125-135 SR batters is the thing of past.

[singhvivek141]

It's no more a secret that our commentators and ex cricketers and so called "cricket experts" simply don't have any understanding of Domestic talents.

 

I was looking at the KKR analysis by Harsha Bhogle, as an impact sub he was talking about name of Manish Pandey to bat at no 6/7 as per his info, there is no domestic talent in KKR side who can play the role.

 

Punjab won the SMAT last year and one of their key performer was Ramandeep Singh who plays for KKR. He can bat low down the order and can give you an over or two of pace. But Mr. Bhogle either don't know about him or doesn't want to talk because seniority comes first.

 

Along with the senior cricketers, we also need to phase out the cricket experts and bring those who are interested in cricket and who understand the domestics. These guys are simply parroting the known names.

[putrevus]

8 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sorry, but this wasn't the case.

From 1992-1998...Sachin was the Lone superstar of our team. All the likes of Sidhu, Manjrekar etc were as good as Iyer's, Manish Pandey's, SKY'S of this era.

 

Sachin got good support post arrival of Ganguly & later Sehwag & Yuvraj. But for first 8-10 he had no one with him.

 

Good examples in 2003 WC...Sachin played a very key role in that tournament, smashing the daylights of Wasim-Waqar-Shoaib. He was perhaps the only one from India who played with an SR of over 100 (wc to be corrected) in that game and beat those "legends" to the pulp, which later allowed Yuvraj & Dravid to not panic and take the team to victory. In final once he flopped, entire team just folded without a fight. 

 

Sachin for almost 40% of his career was the one man army. Post tennis elbow his power in strokes were restricted and hence he had to look for other less destructive strokes, that's where others took up the mantle. But someone averaging 44 in that era with an SR of 86 was exceptional altogether. Likes of Ponting, Lara etc had the SR of less than 80, which shows what Sachin was.

 

Nowadays even someone like Pathum Nissanka averages 45 in ODI, who is as good as Upul Tharanga.

How was Sachin a super star in 1992. He became superstar after 1996 .

 

He did nothing in 1996 qfs against Pakistan still India won against much superior team.

 

2003 world cup Pakistan match gets blown out of proportions by Sachin fans as if he was pummeling peak Waqar and Wasim. Wasim and Waqar  were playing their  last odi match. Even if India lost that match , India was in semifinals.That was very insignificant match.

 

No Sachin was no one man army for 40% of his career. He might have been one man army for operation  desert strom and or operation Olonga.

 

Dravid and Ganguly started playing in 1996 and after that Sachin played with one of the strongest batting lineups.

 

Kohli and Sharma never had any support since 2013. India has lost all knockout matches in which one of them did not perform in odis.

 

In t20 matches Kohli has been virtually playing one man army since 2014.Any match he failed to drag the team over the finish line, India got knocked out. Sachin did not carry this load into world cup tournaments.

 

 

I am not discussing Sachin's stats here, we can do that in another topic.

Edited March 17 by putrevus

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How was Sachin a super star in 1992. He became superstar after 1996 .

 

He did nothing in 1996 qfs against Pakistan still India won against much superior team.

 

2003 world cup Pakistan match gets blown out of proportions by Sachin fans as if he was pummeling peak Waqar and Wasim. Wasim and Waqar  were playing their  last odi match. Even if India lost that match , India was in semifinals.That was very insignificant match.

 

No Sachin was no one man army for 40% of his career. He might have been one man army for operation  desert strom and or operation Olonga.

 

Dravid and Ganguly started playing in 1996 and after that Sachin played with one of the strongest batting lineups.

 

Kohli and Sharma never had any support since 2013. India has lost all knockout matches in which either of them did not perform in odis.

 

In t20 matches Kohli has been virtually playing one man army since 2014.Any match he failed to drag the team over the finish line, India got knocked out. Sachin did not carry this load into world cup tournaments.

 

 

I am not discussing Sachin's stats here, we can do that in another topic.

maybe he means tests. sacchu's best years in tests were from 1992-2011 with 2-3 isolated years removed in between because of tennis elbow, injuries, etc

Edited March 17 by Vijy

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

How was Sachin a super star in 1992. He became superstar after 1996 .

 

He did nothing in 1996 qfs against Pakistan still India won against much superior team.

 

2003 world cup Pakistan match gets blown out of proportions by Sachin fans as if he was pummeling peak Waqar and Wasim. Wasim and Waqar  were playing their  last odi match. Even if India lost that match , India was in semifinals.That was very insignificant match.

 

No Sachin was no one man army for 40% of his career. He might have been one man army for operation  desert strom and or operation Olonga.

 

Dravid and Ganguly started playing in 1996 and after that Sachin played with one of the strongest batting lineups.

 

Kohli and Sharma never had any support since 2013. India has lost all knockout matches in which one of them did not perform in odis.

 

In t20 matches Kohli has been virtually playing one man army since 2014.Any match he failed to drag the team over the finish line, India got knocked out. Sachin did not carry this load into world cup tournaments.

 

 

I am not discussing Sachin's stats here, we can do that in another topic.

 

If you consider Ganguly & Dravid as a capable to Sachin. Please do not forget Kohli even had Rohit, Dhawan, Raina & MSD. Raina is anyway greater than Robin Singh with the bat who was our allrounder at no 6.

 

Sachin always had more pressure than any Indian batter face today. It was simply incomparable & unmatched. You can guess that when vs SL in 1996 WC as soon as Sachin got out at 65, the whole team simply folded. Same happened in the league stage when Sachin smoked 137 single handedly, but our bowlers can't avoid the onslaught of Jayasuriya. Even vs Australia Sachin scored 90 out of 143 when he got out against bowlers like McGrath, Fleming, Warne.

 

Sachin's load reduced mostly from 2000 onwards when Yuvraj & Sehwag arrived at the scene. Ganguly & Dravid were good batters, but Ganguly was very slow to start and Dravid simply couldn't up the tempo no matter how hard he try.

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

If you consider Ganguly & Dravid as a capable to Sachin. Please do not forget Kohli even had Rohit, Dhawan, Raina & MSD. Raina is anyway greater than Robin Singh with the bat who was our allrounder at no 6.

 

Sachin always had more pressure than any Indian batter face today. It was simply incomparable & unmatched. You can guess that when vs SL in 1996 WC as soon as Sachin got out at 65, the whole team simply folded. Same happened in the league stage when Sachin smoked 137 single handedly, but our bowlers can't avoid the onslaught of Jayasuriya. Even vs Australia Sachin scored 90 out of 143 when he got out against bowlers like McGrath, Fleming, Warne.

 

Sachin's load reduced mostly from 2000 onwards when Yuvraj & Sehwag arrived at the scene. Ganguly & Dravid were good batters, but Ganguly was very slow to start and Dravid simply couldn't up the tempo no matter how hard he try.

India never played any world cup or important tournament in 1990s till 1996.1992 he was non factor which is understandable as he was very young.

 

I am not saying Ganguly or Dravid as capable as Sachin.You are missing the point.You are talking about SF IN 1996 forgetting about Qfs.

 

He did not do much in Qfs still India won that match against a better Pakistan team.

 

Even with Sachin in other world cups india missed even knockouts   in 2007, 1999 I can understand the situation.

 

Sachin never did well in Champion trohy after 1998 but Ganguly carried them to one final in 2001 and in 2002 again it was Sehwag and others carried to finals.Once Ganguly faded India never made it to semifinals of any champions trophy till 2013.

 

That is not the case with either Rohit and Kohli in odis.Kohli in t20s. One below par match from both of them in an odi knockout match, it is gone as loss in odis.

 

One below par match from Kohli in t20s knock outs has ended up as a loss since 2014.

 

That is the burden these two have been carrying in world cups.

 

Edited March 17 by putrevus

[AKane]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

How was Sachin a super star in 1992. He became superstar after 1996 .

 

He did nothing in 1996 qfs against Pakistan still India won against much superior team.

 

2003 world cup Pakistan match gets blown out of proportions by Sachin fans as if he was pummeling peak Waqar and Wasim. Wasim and Waqar  were playing their  last odi match. Even if India lost that match , India was in semifinals.That was very insignificant match.

I am not a Sachin fan....

 

However I will let you beat up his record against Pak in WCs instead of cherry picking the low score of 31 or the high of 98.

 

1992     54*  (MoM award)

1996      31

1999      45

2003     98   (MoM award)

2011      85   (MoM award)

 

Now not being a Sachin fan even i have to admit that the above is not shabby - but I will let you speak on it.

Edited March 17 by AKane

[putrevus]

8 minutes ago, AKane said:

I am not a Sachin fan....

 

However I will let you beat up his record against Pak in WCs instead of cherry picking the low score of 31 or the high of 98.

 

1992     54*  (MoM award)

1996      31

1998      45

2003     98   (MoM award)

2011      85   (MoM award)

 

Now not being a Sachin fan even i have to admit that the above is not shabby - but I will let you speak on it.

 I am not cherry picking anything, it is not about Sachin's performances against Pakistan.

 

I am talking about knock out matches. The burden which these two have carried in knockout matches since 2013 in icc tournaments. Kohli in t20s world cup  knockout matches.

Edited March 17 by putrevus

[Nikhil_cric]

Some very disingenuous points being made some posters. Tendulkar was not a superstar and so his '92 knock against Pakistan doesn't count?

 

Also his knock against PAK in '03 does not count because we were already in semis? BS.

 

What BS? We had only beaten 1 strong team in England and could have finished 3rd with less points carried over had PAK beaten us and Zimbabwe .

 

Which would have seriously reduced our chances of qualifying. 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Nikhil_cric said:

Some very disingenuous points being made some posters. Tendulkar was not a superstar and so his '92 knock against Pakistan doesn't count?

 

Also his knock against PAK in '03 does not count because we were already in semis? BS.

 

What BS? We had only beaten 1 strong team in England and could have finished 3rd with less points carried over had PAK beaten us and Zimbabwe .

 

Which would have seriously reduced our chances of qualifying. 

Tendulkar was a superstar in 1992. I distinctly remember NZ kids having Tendulkar's sign and counting just Tendulkar's score.   They had a cut out hoarding where there was a gap for numbers followed by DULKAR.  So they were counting 1DULKAR 2DULKAR 10DULKAR and so on. INdia was extremely low in confidence after Test series loss. So they lost a couple of winnable matches. One against Australia. Lost by 3 runs. 

[Suhaan]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's no more a secret that our commentators and ex cricketers and so called "cricket experts" simply don't have any understanding of Domestic talents.

 

I was looking at the KKR analysis by Harsha Bhogle, as an impact sub he was talking about name of Manish Pandey to bat at no 6/7 as per his info, there is no domestic talent in KKR side who can play the role.

 

Punjab won the SMAT last year and one of their key performer was Ramandeep Singh who plays for KKR. He can bat low down the order and can give you an over or two of pace. But Mr. Bhogle either don't know about him or doesn't want to talk because seniority comes first.

 

Along with the senior cricketers, we also need to phase out the cricket experts and bring those who are interested in cricket and who understand the domestics. These guys are simply parroting the known names.

People call Pandya fraud but this guy Irsha Bhogle is biggest fraud he has been fooling viewers ,ex cricketers,admins,current cricketers and many others by his stupid metaphors, homonyms,smiles etc and zero knowledge about cricket

Infact the bufoons invite this fraud to comment on cricket and technicalities of the game,he talks about how one should bat,keep,field and bowl fast and spin,just see the audacity to fool around with so much guts 

BCCI must call pest control first to weed out this leech from comm box

Edited March 17 by Suhaan

[Suhaan]

Sachin is unbeatable in terms of sheer skills and ability

He's the most gifted Indian cricketer India has ever produced 

[vvvslaxman]

9 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

It's no more a secret that our commentators and ex cricketers and so called "cricket experts" simply don't have any understanding of Domestic talents.

 

I was looking at the KKR analysis by Harsha Bhogle, as an impact sub he was talking about name of Manish Pandey to bat at no 6/7 as per his info, there is no domestic talent in KKR side who can play the role.

 

Punjab won the SMAT last year and one of their key performer was Ramandeep Singh who plays for KKR. He can bat low down the order and can give you an over or two of pace. But Mr. Bhogle either don't know about him or doesn't want to talk because seniority comes first.

 

Along with the senior cricketers, we also need to phase out the cricket experts and bring those who are interested in cricket and who understand the domestics. These guys are simply parroting the known names.

 

Ashwin has better knowledge about domestic players than most. DK also has knowledge as he is recently active.  Ian Bishop, ALan wilkins know more about Indian domestic talent than Harsha

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Suhaan said:

Sachin is unbeatable in terms of sheer skills and ability

He's the most gifted Indian cricketer India has ever produced 

He became popular in Tests first. That  Manchester test saving effort of 68 & 117* as a 17 year old really caught everyone's attention. Also took a t umbling catch.

[Suhaan]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Ashwin has better knowledge about domestic players than most. DK also has knowledge as he is recently active.  Ian Bishop, ALan wilkins know more about Indian domestic talent than Harsha

Harsha has no knowledge about even his fellow state mate Bharat

He was boozing and saying Bharat kept like a hawk up until Jurel entered the chat

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Harsha has no knowledge about even his fellow state mate Bharat

He was boozing and saying Bharat kept like a hawk up until Jurel entered the chat

They have to retire a bunch of commies like Harsha, Manjrekar, Gavaskar and bring in new guys. WV Raman is not bad.  

[Suhaan]

27 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

They have to retire a bunch of commies like Harsha, Manjrekar, Gavaskar and bring in new guys. WV Raman is not bad.  

Most of the recently retired young Indian cricketers are also hopeless

I have seen them talking about building innings in t20s

They say take 8-10 deliveries to set your eye in, irrespective of the number you come in,stone age mentality