Ultimate_Game Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 28 minutes ago, rkt.india said: 2007 wasn't completely an inexperienced team. It was a mix. There is a difference between young and inexperience. We had a new captain, we had folks like Rohit, Joginder Sharma, RP Singh, Sreesanth, Yusuf Pathan, Gambhir etc. who were new. We literally dropped most of the seniors for the tourney - Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Zaheer etc. If that team was young and not inexperienced, same thing here. Playing Mayank and Harshit will also be a mixture of "experience and youngsters" with likes of Pandya, SKY, Samson taking care of "experience". Even likes of Rinku is pretty experienced in terms of T20s.
rkt.india Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 18 minutes ago, Old guy said: i followed his spells on this site playing for bengal he was called shami ahmed back then on here Yes and in those days hitting 140 was enough for people to talk about it. We didn't have many who could do that. Now that criteria is 150.
Old guy Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 1 minute ago, rkt.india said: Yes and in those days hitting 140 was enough for people to talk about it. We didn't have many who could do that. Now that criteria is 150. Don't remind me of dinda
MK55 Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 (edited) lol he literally bowled 150 149 148 148 147 147 as his top 6 (rounded) And the rest besides slow balls were mostly all 145 plus. Also his speeds did not drop. His 148 was in the third over and last over was all 145 plus besides slow balls. Accuracy was great. What else do we want in the comeback match??? And he himself said he can crank it up more if he wants to. His 145 is like autopilot. I just want him to be fit and take it easy. He already in the top 1 percentile. Edited October 7, 2024 by MK55 Ultimate_Game, Mosher, Suhaan and 2 others 2 3
Ultimate_Game Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 5 minutes ago, MK55 said: lol he literally bowled 150 149 148 148 147 147 as his top 6 (rounded) And the rest besides slow balls were mostly all 145 plus. Also his speeds did not drop. His 148 was in the third over and last over was all 145 plus besides slow balls. Accuracy was great. What else do we want in the comeback match??? And he himself said he can crank it up more if he wants to. His 145 is like autopilot. I just want him to be fit and take it easy. He already in the top 1 percentile. If a pacer can bowl multiple deliveries at 140+ with a peak of 149 and with figures of 1/21 on debut, he has done more than well. Shows how entitled are folks who're unhappy with this performance. Looks like they've forgotten performances of Prasidh Krishna, Varun Aaron, Umesh Yadav and Umran Malik who were tonked around mercilessly in their first few matches and came nowhere to this kind of performance. Mayank is comfortably the best fast bowling talent we've come across and one of very few whose hype matches the performance. He should be played in T20s regularly and slowly get into the ODI team. If we can have him in the team for the upcoming T20 and ODI WCs, it would be great for Indian cricket. MK55, Sandz and tweaker 3
express bowling Posted October 7, 2024 Author Posted October 7, 2024 2 hours ago, goose said: i might be wrong but i don't recall a monster thread before they were finally picked in the test side. the hype started after they started taking international wickets in tests I opened a thread asking Bumrah to be included in test matches in mid 2017, atleast 6 months before his test debut. Suhaan, Mosher and tweaker 3
Need4Speed Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 well..we were kind of expecting it..isnt it..that he will bolw 145k-150k range in his first match..coming after an injury and big break too..which he did.. He was never gonna put extra efforts to hit 157k..coming out of an injury and playing with nerves..As he settles more you will see him breathing more fire.. tapandrun 1
AKane Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 27 minutes ago, Need4Speed said: He was never gonna put extra efforts to hit 157k..coming out of an injury and playing with nerves..As he settles more you will see him breathing more fire.. I fervently hope you are right and also hope that in T20s he reaches peak speed in second or third over...... No issue in warming up slowly. One thing I was worried in IPL was when his first ball was 150+.... Even Thommo with the javelin thrower chest did not do that. Suhaan and Need4Speed 2
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 3 hours ago, goose said: in the long history of ICF not once has an emerging bowler hyped up for his pace gone on to succeed. plus i don't like his afro Correct goosey. I agree with you. Old guy 1
Malcolm Merlyn Posted October 7, 2024 Posted October 7, 2024 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: So Bumrah, Shami aren't successful? AT Neither of them were hyped for pace. I was then a member of this hype brigade. But not even one lasted. Old guy and Chaos 1 1
Need4Speed Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 4 hours ago, AKane said: I fervently hope you are right and also hope that in T20s he reaches peak speed in second or third over...... No issue in warming up slowly. One thing I was worried in IPL was when his first ball was 150+.... Even Thommo with the javelin thrower chest did not do that. Yes lets keep the fingers crossed
Need4Speed Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 4 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: AT Neither of them were hyped for pace. I was then a member of this hype brigade. But not even one lasted. Thanks to you and Goose for reverse jinxing
tapandrun Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said: We had a new captain, we had folks like Rohit, Joginder Sharma, RP Singh, Sreesanth, Yusuf Pathan, Gambhir etc. who were new. We literally dropped most of the seniors for the tourney - Tendulkar, Ganguly, Dravid, Zaheer etc. If that team was young and not inexperienced, same thing here. Playing Mayank and Harshit will also be a mixture of "experience and youngsters" with likes of Pandya, SKY, Samson taking care of "experience". Even likes of Rinku is pretty experienced in terms of T20s. T20 is becoming v.specialized format even more than tests test days, players need to be confident of their skills and fearless in executing them at high pressure. In test or odis one can buy their time be it bowling or batting and even if struggling with the form they can get out of it and not cause much to the team whereelse in t20 if a player is unsure they will cost team the game. 2007 t20 wc win should not be considered at all if trying to deduce any conclusion or data same way RR 1st IPL win should not conclude anything, it was new format not many team knew what to do and not sure of format's future. Ind not able to win anything after the 1st wc was due to stat paddling nature of Ind batters, when teams were working on hitting sixes Ind team were celebrating wins by single and double. This time too 3 most impt. innigs came when betters were bit fearless -- Pant against pak, Rohit against Aus, Axar against SA. Edited October 8, 2024 by tapandrun
Suhaan Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, express bowling said: I opened a thread asking Bumrah to be included in test matches in mid 2017, atleast 6 months before his test debut. True Edited October 8, 2024 by Suhaan express bowling, singhvivek141 and Mosher 1 2
Suhaan Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 4 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: AT Neither of them were hyped for pace. I was then a member of this hype brigade. But not even one lasted. Arey Jo pace dikhayega 155+ daal dega hype toh apne aap hi ho jata hai Isme masoom Mayank ka kya kasoor? Mosher, Need4Speed, AKane and 1 other 2 2
Ultimate_Game Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 28 minutes ago, tapandrun said: T20 is becoming v.specialized format even more than tests test days, players need to be confident of their skills and fearless in executing them at high pressure. In test or odis one can buy their time be it bowling or batting and even if struggling with the form they can get out of it and not cause much to the team whereelse in t20 if a player is unsure they will cost team the game. 2007 t20 wc win should not be considered at all if trying to deduce any conclusion or data same way RR 1st IPL win should not conclude anything, it was new format not many team knew what to do and not sure of format's future. Ind not able to win anything after the 1st wc was due to stat paddling nature of Ind batters, when teams were working on hitting sixes Ind team were celebrating wins by single and double. This time too 3 most impt. innigs came when betters were bit fearless -- Pant against pak, Rohit against Aus, Axar against SA. I would understand it if we were playing a must win game or selecting the squad for a WT20. But this is a bilateral against B'desh at home. If we don't try out youngsters in this scenario, when will we ever do that? If we keep Harshit on the bench, we'll invariably select Siraj when it matters. I would rather see what we've in Harshit, give him some game time so we've an alternate to Siraj and a deeper bench than play tried & tested players like Arshdeep in a meaningless T20. tapandrun 1
tapandrun Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 8 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said: I would understand it if we were playing a must win game or selecting the squad for a WT20. But this is a bilateral against B'desh at home. If we don't try out youngsters in this scenario, when will we ever do that? If we keep Harshit on the bench, we'll invariably select Siraj when it matters. I would rather see what we've in Harshit, give him some game time so we've an alternate to Siraj and a deeper bench than play tried & tested players like Arshdeep in a meaningless T20. yes should have rested Arshdeep and could have picked a new wkt-batter what is the point of Sanju and Jitesh ?? Both are 30 yo and not sure there is role or position for them. TM selectors even donot know here to play sanju and with this line-up even rinku is not getting much chances where are they thinking to play jitesh ??? They are again wasting time with wkt keepers or else they too are place holder for Kishan or pant Ultimate_Game 1
rkt.india Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 5 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: AT Neither of them were hyped for pace. I was then a member of this hype brigade. But not even one lasted. They were. Difference is at that time hitting 140 kph was enough for hype. Mosher 1
express bowling Posted October 8, 2024 Author Posted October 8, 2024 (edited) 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: They were. Difference is at that time hitting 140 kph was enough for hype. Bumrah was regularly crossing 147 k / 148 k with accuracy and vicious bounce CT 2017 onwards. Umesh and Aaron were regularly hitting 147 k to 152 k from 2011. Shami's top speeds were 145 k / 146 k with a nasty bumper and consistent movement right from 2013. Not just a case of 140 k. Edited October 8, 2024 by express bowling Mosher 1
Rightarmfast Posted October 8, 2024 Posted October 8, 2024 8 hours ago, Malcolm Merlyn said: AT Neither of them were hyped for pace. I was then a member of this hype brigade. But not even one lasted. Just what do you have against Atul Sharma?
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