singhvivek141 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 39 minutes ago, Suhaan said: Iss Id se uski tareef kar rahe ho thori der baad aaoge dusri Id se phir usey gaali doge Not good Dusri id wale chacha pagla gaye hai, koi bhi logic de rahe hai. Aur fir moo ki khane pe bhaag jate hain. Suhaan 1 Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Adamant said: The thing is, I dont buy the hype of bowlers who bowl two 145 kph floaty balls in an over with all six of them dropped 1 m apart from each other , that kind of pace is only good for show off, nothing else. Mayank on the other hand, actually bowls a good line and is tall, so I have some belief in him, his modification of action and bringing pace down by 2-3 kph is something i Wholeheartedly support, coz he still is a 145+ bowler and will bowl 150 soon. Yeah erratic bowlers are a problem. But they exist irrespective of speeds. Bhuvi was giving width even at 127k, Mukesh bowls abornally high number of no balls even at 130k. But all the criticism is selectively poured against pacers who are fast, while the slower ones are given a free pass. That gives the hint that problem is against the speed, and not the accuracy. Edited October 13 by singhvivek141 Adamant, Rightarmfast, Mosher and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment
tapandrun Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 59 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Umran has bowled 155kph in international cricket. was talking about after being dropped from ind team, hard to maintain same kind of pace once out of intnl circuit Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 3 hours ago, Adamant said: I would take a 140-150 kph bowler who plays a lot instead of a 145-155 kph bowler who is able to play one test out of three. Mayank is a solid bowler and his pace is great, its good enough to rattle batsman with the extra bounce he gets and his accuracy, I don’t know why we are looking for Akhtar when we can get a Michael Holding. Works fine for me, no need to hit 150+ regulatly, once in a while is good enough. The coaches have done well, hope he gets to play a match in Aus, he is probably the only young pacer who I would like to debut in Aus coz from what I see he is able to hit lengths consistently and maintain a line, there is hardly any movement in the air or off the surface but that’s pretty much expected from a 150 kph specimen. I am fine with Mayank bowling 145k only if he develops more skills like movement and yorkers too..along with bouncers and slow balls he already has.. His previous usp was 155k with accuracy that alone was enough.. now with removal of “express” he will need to develop those extra skills to troublr the international standard batters.. Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 7 hours ago, express bowling said: Mayank has bowled 140 k to 150 k in all 3 matches. And another thing noticable is that the batsmen are standing very very deep in the crease while facing Mayank and still getting hurried and getting hit on slow pitches. Plus he has been accurate and bowled well overall. Never been expensive and haa picked up 4 wickets. I agree that his USP is 155 k bowling and he should get back there. ( I too would prefer that he plays 2 matches and bowls 155 k instead of playing all 3 matches and bowls 150 k ). But don't think he is replaceable as a bowler even at this pace as he is still hitting batsmen physically, picking wickets and not giving away runs. I will make the judgement after seeing how he bowls against SENA batters in patta wkts.. If he doesnt get predictable to quality batters and not get lined up then its good.. This is all due to removal of “express” tag I would like to see more Edited October 13 by Need4Speed Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 9 hours ago, MK55 said: I’ve never seen him bowl Yorkers. He probably thought it was a low return high risk delivery for that pitch. But would have loved to see quick Yorkers to lower order batsmen. Something to add to the arsenal. I saw him bowl a few in IPL, especially in that spell to Dhawan. Good news is that there're a lot of areas Mayank can improve on, and with these gaps he's much better than likes of Avesh and Prasidh Krishna. Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 13 Author Share Posted October 13 (edited) 1 hour ago, Need4Speed said: I will make the judgement after seeing how he bowls against SENA batters in patta wkts.. If he doesnt get predictable to quality batters and not get lined up then its good.. This is all due to removal of “express” tag I would like to see more I think he will bowl quicker in later series .. atleast upto 152 / 153 k. Pacers invariably bowl a bit slower in their comeback series. Edited October 13 by express bowling singhvivek141 and Mosher 2 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 52 minutes ago, express bowling said: I think he will bowl quicker in later series .. atleast upto 152 / 153 k. Pacers invariably bowl a bit slower in their comeback series. Yes I am hoping too but lets wait andcwatch..I would like to see how much affect NCA may have had on him..I was reading an article sometime back vvs laxman was personally managing him..so lets see i future series express bowling and singhvivek141 2 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said: I saw him bowl a few in IPL, especially in that spell to Dhawan. Good news is that there're a lot of areas Mayank can improve on, and with these gaps he's much better than likes of Avesh and Prasidh Krishna. He did bowl in this series..perfect yorker to Mehdi Hasan Miraj which he defended well..2nd he attempted in last match which turned out to be lower full toss..work in progress Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) Good thing about Mayank is his accuracy..and good bouncers..he seems to be working on slower bowls and yorkers too..after more game time and practice and improved fitness..he should be able to have more control over them hopefully.. I also noticed he slightly uses wrist at the point of delivery..could be natural..but if he works on it and add more purpose to it..he may develop some movement as well.. These are all the points which makes him dangerous even while he has not achieved his express pace yet.. Lets see how he develops..He has solid foundation.. Edited October 13 by Need4Speed Link to comment
singhvivek141 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, express bowling said: I think he will bowl quicker in later series .. atleast upto 152 / 153 k. Pacers invariably bowl a bit slower in their comeback series. With his previous action, his left leg acted like a fulcrum and helped him xfering all the momentum he generated into releasing the delivery to the ball. Since he is not running quick, that momentum transfer is missing. express bowling 1 Link to comment
Need4Speed Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 2 hours ago, singhvivek141 said: With his previous action, his left leg acted like a fulcrum and helped him xfering all the momentum he generated into releasing the delivery to the ball. Since he is not running quick, that momentum transfer is missing. If he has more control now..even with slightly lesser pace..he can practice using some wrists..it will make him very lethal..even with this current pace Edited October 13 by Need4Speed Link to comment
AKane Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, express bowling said: I think he will bowl quicker in later series .. atleast upto 152 / 153 k. Pacers invariably bowl a bit slower in their comeback series. I don't think so - but I hope am wrong and you are right. I cannot remember any express pace bowler who came back after an injury with a retooled action who has bowled at the same express pace as before the injury. I "think" this injury was not serious and Mayank's action was fine.... but it gave them the excuse to fiddle with his action. How much they have fiddled and how much damage they have done with their fiddling remains to be seen. IMHO. Ever since what was done to Pandurang Salgaonkar long long ago, I don't trust Indian authorities. They despise extreme pace amongst Indian bowlers. IMHO. However I sincerely hope you are right. Edited October 13 by AKane Link to comment
MK55 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) I'm interested to see how he fares when he's bowling to Travis Head and England batters on batting tracks at 145k instead of these Bangla batters. That should put some sense into him and the people tinkering with his action. My guess is he'll be taken to the cleaners like most other bowlers. You can't just run in significantly slower than what you did previously with no other compensating change in your action and then expect to have no significant drop in pace. But if he can get accustomed to his updated action by then with some additional compensating changes, then that's different. The latter is what I'm hoping to see. But not guaranteed. The SA series is a good test. That should help answer most of our questions. Edited October 13 by MK55 Ultimate_Game, Need4Speed and cowboysfan 3 Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 15 minutes ago, MK55 said: I'm interested to see how he fares when he's bowling to Travis Head and England batters on batting tracks at 145k instead of these Bangla batters. That should put some sense into him and the people tinkering with his action. My guess is he'll be taken to the cleaners like most other bowlers. You can't just run in significantly slower than what you did previously with no other compensating change in your action and then expect to have no significant drop in pace. But if he can get accustomed to his updated action by then with some additional compensating changes, then that's different. The latter is what I'm hoping to see. But not guaranteed. The SA series is a good test. That should help answer most of our questions. That's what I want to see as well coz pace alone (145-150kph) won't faze them. Likes of Buttler, Head, Marsh etc. will sit back in the crease and wait for shortish deliveries to hammer them. Let's see how he can change the length to keep them off balance and quiet. Link to comment
Sgattick10 Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 Jarrod talking talking about Mayank Yadav @express bowling @Mosher Mosher and express bowling 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 16 Author Share Posted October 16 27 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said: Jarrod talking talking about Mayank Yadav @express bowling @Mosher Thanks for sharing. Interesting video. Mosher 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 36 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said: Jarrod talking talking about Mayank Yadav @express bowling @Mosher Cummins wasn't 155 bowler when he came. His top pace was 150 but mostly around 145. Link to comment
express bowling Posted October 16 Author Share Posted October 16 3 minutes ago, rkt.india said: Cummins wasn't 155 bowler when he came. His top pace was 150 but mostly around 145. True. Mosher and RAZPOR 2 Link to comment
Lord Posted October 16 Share Posted October 16 2 hours ago, rkt.india said: Cummins wasn't 155 bowler when he came. His top pace was 150 but mostly around 145. He hit `150 in a Test match. In T20 he might have touched 155 around that time Link to comment
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