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[Real McCoy]

11 hours ago, rkt.india said:

haryana have the most 6 feet plus and they mostly are vegetarians.

 

This is blamed on milk but on posts where I cornered him on comparisons on Bangladesh and Pakistan, he goes to the impoverished theory route. He can't be convinced. This guy is strong on the internet. Let him load up on meat. Lets see if he gets stronger in real life too. I bet not

[Muloghonto]

11 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Have you seen their diet... Higher proportion of buttermilk curd and calorie intake.

Also Jats have steppe ancestry as well.

Ever seen these folks lifting weights... Not even Punjabis and Kashmiris can match them.

Jats dont have steppe ancestry. 

 

[Lone Wolf]

27 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Jats dont have steppe ancestry. 

 

Nope well established fact that Ror and Jat community of Haryana have highest steppe related ancestry in entire South Asia.

https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/01/10/are-haryana-jats-the-closest-living-descendents-of-our-vedic-forefathers/

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Going by your posts on height and meat correlation, your anecdote on jat origins and weight lifting is on shaky grounds 

You got no idea then .. let it go broo

[Lone Wolf]

57 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

This is blamed on milk but on posts where I cornered him on comparisons on Bangladesh and Pakistan, he goes to the impoverished theory route. He can't be convinced. This guy is strong on the internet. Let him load up on meat. Lets see if he gets stronger in real life too. I bet not

Understandably your brain cannot function properly coz of lower protein intake lmao

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nope well established fact that Ror and Jat community of Haryana have highest steppe related ancestry in entire South Asia.

https://www.brownpundits.com/2019/01/10/are-haryana-jats-the-closest-living-descendents-of-our-vedic-forefathers/

 

Nope. 

R1a isn't proven to be original to the steppes in the first place. India and Iran are the other two likely contenders to the theory. Also, as heggarty et al proved in the most recent paper about IE languages, Indus valley was indo-european speaking, with Indo Aryan and Indo-Iranian split happening in the region, as echoed in the rig veda.

 

[Lone Wolf]

6 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Nope. 

R1a isn't proven to be original to the steppes in the first place. India and Iran are the other two likely contenders to the theory. Also, as heggarty et al proved in the most recent paper about IE languages, Indus valley was indo-european speaking, with Indo Aryan and Indo-Iranian split happening in the region, as echoed in the rig veda.

 

Nope It is well known fact that L1c +Q ydna is over 50% in jats and r1a 30-35%.

 

In short they have a very high prevalence of IVC Y haplogroups combined with much higher frequency of steppe/west mitochondrial haplo groups.

 

Nothing else suggests why they have inflated steppe among South Asians 

[Muloghonto]

3 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nope It is well known fact that L1c +Q ydna is over 50% in jats and r1a 30-35%.

 

In short they have a very high prevalence of IVC Y haplogroups combined with much higher frequency of steppe/west mitochondrial haplo groups.

 

Nothing else suggests why they have inflated steppe among South Asians 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

L-M20: possible places of origin: W. Asia, S.Asia, Pamirs

Q is the haplogroup of native americans and east siberians. 

None of these are proven to be origin to the steppes, so again, what steppe DNA ?

[Lone Wolf]

2 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

L-M20: possible places of origin: W. Asia, S.Asia, Pamirs

Q is the haplogroup of native americans and east siberians. 

None of these are proven to be origin to the steppes, so again, what steppe DNA ?

So far R1a being of local origin as you pushed hasn't yet been proved and is showing multiple flaws as of now... Gyaneshwar Chaubey and Nuraj rai were the ones claiming it but so far haven't been able to prove it... They were working on a research paper on it last I heard.

 

Also L1a1 is found among South India and IVC regions but L1a2 or L1C is a jat specific clade with a split of over 7000 years with L1a1

 

The actual take is haplogroups are common as people migrate from one place to another but their ratio and concentration within a community matters.

Subclade distribution in this very link also says the same.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

16 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

So far R1a being of local origin as you pushed hasn't yet been proved and is showing multiple flaws as of now... Gyaneshwar Chaubey and Nuraj rai were the ones claiming it but so far haven't been able to prove it... They were working on a research paper on it last I heard.

Correct. India, Iran & Central Asia are all leading contenders for the origin of R1a. So why are you calling it 'steppe DNA', when its not proven to be steppe DNA ? 

16 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

 

Also L1a1 is found among South India and IVC regions but L1a2 or L1C is a jat specific clade with a split of over 7000 years with L1a1

 

The actual take is haplogroups are common as people migrate from one place to another but their ratio and concentration within a community matters.

Subclade distribution in this very link also says the same.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

 

 

 

yes. But the same link also says that India is one of the probable places of origin for L-M20. So where is this 'steppe DNA' you speak of ? Why are you calling it steppe DNA when its not proven to be original to the steppes in the first place ?

[Lone Wolf]

3 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Correct. India, Iran & Central Asia are all leading contenders for the origin of R1a. So why are you calling it 'steppe DNA', when its not proven to be steppe DNA ? 

yes. But the same link also says that India is one of the probable places of origin for L-M20. So where is this 'steppe DNA' you speak of ? Why are you calling it steppe DNA when its not proven to be original to the steppes in the first place ?

Biggest issue is old parent R1 samples are found in Russian and steppe areas... We don't have enough old samples from south Asia Making it a more complex case to prove it as a local origin case.

Almost all Indian R1a is downstream of L657 nothing above 

 

 

Higher steppe in Jats make them outlier for sure as of current mainstream theory.  No other population follows this theory as we move west to east.

This is a very relevant and popular study till now.

NW and Gangetic Brahmins also somehow have distinct differences thanks to higher AASI among Gangetic ones...

Jats meanwhile have lower AASI 

 

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/what-the-harappa-ancestry-project-has-resolved

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Biggest issue is old parent R1 samples are found in Russian and steppe areas... We don't have enough old samples from south Asia Making it a more complex case to prove it as a local origin case.

Almost all Indian R1a is downstream of L657 nothing above 

No. Old parent R1 samples are NOT found in steppe areas- the oldest sample is found from Lake Baykal area. That is not in the steppes but deep in the temperate taiga zone. 

Having old enough samples is irrelevant- sample preservation is a climate related phenomena primarily. 

 

10 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

 

 

Higher steppe in Jats make them outlier for sure as of current mainstream theory.

Again, prove that these are steppe DNA before you go peddling BS about Jats having steppe DNA.

I have literally cited you links and i can give you scholarly articles that show that the origin of the said DNA isnt settled. So why do you keep calling it steppe DNA ?

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

So far R1a being of local origin as you pushed hasn't yet been proved and is showing multiple flaws as of now... Gyaneshwar Chaubey and Nuraj rai were the ones claiming it but so far haven't been able to prove it... They were working on a research paper on it last I heard.

 

Also L1a1 is found among South India and IVC regions but L1a2 or L1C is a jat specific clade with a split of over 7000 years with L1a1

 

The actual take is haplogroups are common as people migrate from one place to another but their ratio and concentration within a community matters.

Subclade distribution in this very link also says the same.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_L-M20

 

 

 

wassup tribal, whats going on in this thread?

[Lone Wolf]

16 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

No. Old parent R1 samples are NOT found in steppe areas- the oldest sample is found from Lake Baykal area. That is not in the steppes but deep in the temperate taiga zone. 

Having old enough samples is irrelevant- sample preservation is a climate related phenomena primarily. 

 

Again, prove that these are steppe DNA before you go peddling BS about Jats having steppe DNA.

I have literally cited you links and i can give you scholarly articles that show that the origin of the said DNA inst settled. So why do you keep calling it steppe DNA ?

Here look at the genetic Geneology tree on the bases of Whole genome sequencing, in which L-Y33989 was formed 3600 years ago  which is present in two Ror gotras .... & their descendant L-FGC93944 allele is carried by a Hindu Jat  which was formed 1650 years before present.

Explains that Hindu Ror community of Haryana has the highest Steppe MLBA ancestry (45-50%) in South-Central Asia on par with Pamiri Tajiks.... Jaats who have 2nd highest might be related to Rors? At least going on the basis of these upstream Y-clades.

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[Lone Wolf]

Now ghonto Bhai will deny genetic study then there is actually nothing left to talk about.

Only what is mainstream and actually has more substantial evidence matters rather than random theories.

[Muloghonto]

13 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Here look at the genetic Geneology tree on the bases of Whole genome sequencing, in which L-Y33989 was formed 3600 years ago  which is present in two Ror gotras .... & their descendant L-FGC93944 allele is carried by a Hindu Jat  which was formed 1650 years before present.

Explains that Hindu Ror community of Haryana has the highest Steppe MLBA ancestry (45-50%) in South-Central Asia on par with Pamiri Tajiks.... Jaats who have 2nd highest might be related to Rors? At least going on the basis of these upstream Y-clades.

 

 

Show me peer reviewed article that proves that these DNA are original to the steppes for you to call it steppe DNA. 

I have literally cited you articles that show that where this DNA originates ( whether its R1a or L has origin case for central asia, indian subcontinent and west asia. 

So why do you insist on calling it steppe DNA without showing us proof that it is steppe DNA to begin with ?

[Muloghonto]

9 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Now ghonto Bhai will deny genetic study then there is actually nothing left to talk about.

Only what is mainstream and actually has more substantial evidence matters rather than random theories.

what is mainstream is that the origin of R1a, L are not settled and the candidates for origin point are india, west asia & central Asia. There is no evidence whatsoever that proves that these dna originate in the steppes.

 

[Lone Wolf]

4 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Show me peer reviewed article that proves that these DNA are original to the steppes for you to call it steppe DNA. 

I have literally cited you articles that show that where this DNA originates ( whether its R1a or L has origin case for central asia, indian subcontinent and west asia. 

So why do you insist on calling it steppe DNA without showing us proof that it is steppe DNA to begin with ?

What articles you have only given me Wikipedia sources which actually very much don't specify anything about origins of R1a...  In fact it is still a debatable theory while mainstream theory is still the steppe one.

I have given multiple sources otoh... Including genetic study lol

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[rkt.india]

3 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

 

This is blamed on milk but on posts where I cornered him on comparisons on Bangladesh and Pakistan, he goes to the impoverished theory route. He can't be convinced. This guy is strong on the internet. Let him load up on meat. Lets see if he gets stronger in real life too. I bet not

So you agree that it's about genetics?

[Muloghonto]

22 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

What articles you have only given me Wikipedia sources which actually very much don't specify anything about origins of R1a...  In fact it is still a debatable theory while mainstream theory is still the steppe one.

I have given multiple sources otoh... Including genetic study lol

 

So in other words, you are spreading propaganda without proof. Mainstream = western speculations. If you want to call it steppe DNA, then onus is on YOU to prove that it is steppe DNA. So where is the proof that this dna originates in the steppes ?