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Lone Wolf Grand Master

Lone Wolf

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9 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

So in other words, you are spreading propaganda without proof. Mainstream = western speculations. If you want to call it steppe DNA, then onus is on YOU to prove that it is steppe DNA. So where is the proof that this dna originates in the steppes ? 

 

Lol at western speculation... Mainstream means it is applied in India as well.

I have given enough evidence... But you haven't specified anything to disprove it.

So far Chaubey and Rai the premier backer of local origin haven't been able to come up with a valid and strong enough evidence so even they aren't sure.

Which means current logical practice is to consider them of Steppe origin... Or in more clear terms higher percentage of steppe than any other south asian community..  Tajiks are not South Asian.

If you currently do a genetic study on yourself it will be based on those parameters too.

So those unproved and so far half baked theories don't have enough steam in them yet.

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Muloghonto Grand Master

Muloghonto

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9 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Lol at western speculation... Mainstream means it is applied in India as well.

Except mainstream in arts is dictated by the west

9 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

I have given enough evidence... But you haven't specified anything to disprove it.

Nowhere have you given evidence of this steppe DNA nor have you cited any paper that proves R1a or L to be original to steppes. 

 

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So those unproved and so far half baked theories don't have enough steam in them yet.[/quote]

 

As far as we can see, steppe DNA itself is unproven. Nowhere have you provided proof that these DNA originate in the steppes. So where is the proof of these DNA originating in the steppes ?

Lone Wolf Grand Master

Lone Wolf

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10 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Except mainstream in arts is dictated by the west

Nowhere have you given evidence of this steppe DNA nor have you cited any paper that proves R1a or L to be original to steppes. 

 

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So those unproved and so far half baked theories don't have enough steam in them yet.[/quote]

 

As far as we can see, steppe DNA itself is unproven. Nowhere have you provided proof that these DNA originate in the steppes. So where is the proof of these DNA originating in the steppes ?

What unproven??? It is widely accepted ... Latest 2024 studies indicate that as well from your favourite exclusive main wiki sources says the same about Steppe MLBA

No amount of mental gymnastics you are playing can deny it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Steppe_Herders

 

In South Asia, it peaks among the Kalash, Ror, Jat, Brahmin and Bhumihar.[2][4][13][14] The modern day Yaghnobis, an Eastern Iranian peoples, and to a lesser extent modern-day Tajiks, display genetic continuity to Iron Age Central Asian Indo-Iranians, and may be used as proxy for the source of "Steppe ancestry" among many Central Asian and Middle Eastern groups.[15][16][17]

Muloghonto Grand Master

Muloghonto

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Just now, Lone Wolf said:

What unproven??? It is widely accepted ... Latest 2024 studies indicate that as well from your favourite exclusive main wiki sources says the same about Steppe MLBA

No amount of mental gymnastics you are playing can deny it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Steppe_Herders

 

In South Asia, it peaks among the Kalash, Ror, Jat, Brahmin and Bhumihar.[2][4][13][14] The modern day Yaghnobis, an Eastern Iranian peoples, and to a lesser extent modern-day Tajiks, display genetic continuity to Iron Age Central Asian Indo-Iranians, and may be used as proxy for the source of "Steppe ancestry" among many Central Asian and Middle Eastern groups.[15][16][17]

 

Yet when i give you the R1a article from the same site, it says the origin point can be india, iran or steppes. So where is YOUR proof that this is steppe DNA ? simply repeating what western forgeries made up doesn't make it proof. Cite me an article that conclusively proves that R1a or L are from the steppes.

No amount of mental gymnastics of western forgers will make this steppe DNA without proof that this DNA originates from the steppes.

You called it steppe DNA, so onus is on you to cite proof that this DNA originates in the steppes. So where is the proof ?

Lone Wolf Grand Master

Lone Wolf

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49 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Yet when i give you the R1a article from the same site, it says the origin point can be india, iran or steppes. So where is YOUR proof that this is steppe DNA ? simply repeating what western forgeries made up doesn't make it proof. Cite me an article that conclusively proves that R1a or L are from the steppes.

No amount of mental gymnastics of western forgers will make this steppe DNA without proof that this DNA originates from the steppes.

You called it steppe DNA, so onus is on you to cite proof that this DNA originates in the steppes. So where is the proof ?

I gave you latest 2024 research proof... It doesn't gets better than this . Now if you refusing for the sake of just refusing then there is no point... You have simply given nothing to prove otherwise... Coz that simply doesn't exists.

What you actually wrote is definition of mental gymnastics... It was written in BOLD to help you mate.

coffee_rules Grand Master

coffee_rules

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4 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Now ghonto Bhai will deny genetic study then there is actually nothing left to talk about.

Only what is mainstream and actually has more substantial evidence matters rather than random theories.

There is no one theory to believe in as a scientific fact like gravity in case of archeo-genetic science or population genetics. Various theories are put forth based on the sample sizes . It is always a combination of genetic data, plus linguistics and archeological evidence that is argued upon the homeland of IEs. Indian have the maximum variation in mR1a which is a theory to propose it as the homeland. You will believe in Steppe ancestry if you read journalists like Tony Joseph and Eilipedia that propagate this narrative. Even research of David Reich believes ancestry is from Anatolia rather than Steppe. Recent one I read was arriving at North eastern Iran which is closer to Rig Vedic region. So, it’s futile to argue based on a few theories on what is mainstream etc. I don’t believe a word of humanities studies of the west given how much they were wrong on India

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Real McCoy Veteran

Real McCoy

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5 hours ago, Chaos said:


wassup tribal, whats going on in this thread?

 

he is trying to prove jats are a master race with a few cms in height advantage over the rest of India. He also believes mallus are taller than you or me. He is doing all of this in a damn food thread.

Real McCoy Veteran

Real McCoy

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26 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

There is no one theory to believe in as a scientific fact like gravity in case of archeo-genetic science or population genetics. Various theories are put forth based on the sample sizes . It is always a combination of genetic data, plus linguistics and archeological evidence that is argued upon the homeland of IEs. Indian have the maximum variation in mR1a which is a theory to propose it as the homeland. You will believe in Steppe ancestry if you read journalists like Tony Joseph and Eilipedia that propagate this narrative. Even research of David Reich believes ancestry is from Anatolia rather than Steppe. Recent one I read was arriving at North eastern Iran which is closer to Rig Vedic region. So, it’s futile to argue based on a few theories on what is mainstream etc. I don’t believe a word of humanities studies of the west given how much they were wrong on India

 

How many of the Indian guys that have been brainwashed with the western ideology. Even in this forum, we have seen quite a few. And you wonder why some guy in punjab thinks he belongs to the aryan race and a tamil believing in dravidian race and so on. This forum needs some Raj Vedam

BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

BacktoCricaddict

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

I don’t believe a word of humanities studies of the west given how much they were wrong on India

That's an exercise in broad-brush painting.

 

At this time, do you believe the conclusions of Heggarty et al., which is also a western study that contradicts past western studies using better techniques? A few years from now, there may be a better study that contradicts Heggarty.

 

This kind of research is always under construction - with better fossil records, more historical artifacts and better analytical techniques. What is a given, however, is that people cannot handle uncertainty. The lines are already drawn and conclusions already made. People have decided that their ancestors were the first/greatest in history, and will cherry-pick and propagate data that fit that predetermined decision.

Lone Wolf Grand Master

Lone Wolf

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1 hour ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Psst. that's glucose. Brain runs on glucose moron :lol:

Dum*ba*s Brain also needs certain amino acids to function properly which is sourced from Protein... So you clearly lack that... :hysterical: 

Real McCoy Veteran

Real McCoy

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20 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Dum*ba*s Brain also needs certain amino acids to function properly which is sourced from Protein... So you clearly lack that... :hysterical: 

 

Brain only needs a little protein which I can get from plant sources. Keep digging more

Lone Wolf Grand Master

Lone Wolf

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30 minutes ago, Real McCoy said:

 

Brain only needs a little protein which I can get from plant sources. Keep digging more

Definitely seems you are not getting enough... Keep trying :phehe:

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