You can't have 4 out of 11 players from worst performing IPL team

[Kron]

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Say what? It's just a sport.

Not in literal sense but they will give it their all for the country unlike our buffoons.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Warner is also rich btw. Not rohit level rich but he is still super rich yet he keeps himself motivated to always die for the country. To lead by example and win icc events. Rohit? Errr

rohit is very motivated too... to demolish buffets

[putrevus]

On 5/12/2024 at 10:59 AM, Trichromatic said:

 

Netherlands 53, SL 72, Namibia 56, Afg 74, BD 83

 

Only noteworthy innings of this batsman in 10 years in T20I tournaments for India, guess who's he?

How many note worthy innings has so called great kaptaan Dhoni played in odis and t20s.You know how long did it take so called great finisher to score his first 50 in t20s.

 

How many stinking losses did he captain.

Edited May 15 by putrevus

[Trichromatic]

6 hours ago, putrevus said:

How many note worthy innings has so called great kaptaan Dhoni played in odis and t20s.You know how long did it take so called great finisher to score his first 50 in t20s.

 

How many stinking losses did he captain.

 

Dhoni is not playing in upcoming world T20I.

[VT87]

Yashasvi is sh@@t too

[Nikhil_cric]

Going to be awful, this World T20 campaign.  At least in the ODI format, there was some hope. 

 

This time, I'm not sure we can even make the semis.  

[Lone Wolf]

11 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Going to be awful, this World T20 campaign.  At least in the ODI format, there was some hope. 

 

This time, I'm not sure we can even make the semis.  

India can win the semi final actually as it is in Guyana the slowest spin friendly deck in the entire Carribbean.

Our accumulators can work there.  Highest successful chase there I guess is some 160 odd.

 

No way in hell we are winning in Barbados or Antigua our super Six games vs stronger sides 

 

[VT87]

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

India can win the semi final actually as it is in Guyana the slowest spin friendly deck in the entire Carribbean.

Our accumulators can work there.  Highest successful chase there I guess is some 160 odd.

 

No way in hell we are winning in Barbados or Antigua our super Six games vs stronger sides 

 

It's a chasing wicket so toss will matter. 

 

But are we even making SF's with both OZ and NZ in our group?  Hard to see to be honest especially considering the disastrous form of Hardik , Rohit etc 

[Lone Wolf]

10 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

It's a chasing wicket so toss will matter. 

 

But are we even making SF's with both OZ and NZ in our group?  Hard to see to be honest especially considering the disastrous form of Hardik , Rohit etc 

Day game chasing won't be easy... Pitch will slow down in the afternoon.

All India games are day games.

 

Other Semi final in Tarouba is D/N fixture.

I always felt India does better in Day games for some reason.  In Eng in recent ICC tourneys we did well in day games.  CT17 CT13 even WC 2019 to an extent... Reserve day killed us 

Struggled in Aus coz of Night fixtures.

2003 WC in SA most day games.... Did dominate Eng in D/N game though... Nehra spell.

 

Even defended par totals in Birmingham and Rose bowl in T20 series vs Eng

Edited May 16 by Lone Wolf

[Nikhil_cric]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Day game chasing won't be easy... Pitch will slow down in the afternoon.

All India games are day games.

 

Other Semi final in Tarouba is D/N fixture.

I always felt India does better in Day games for some reason.  In Eng in recent ICC tourneys we did well in day games.  CT17 CT13 even WC 2019 to an extent... Reserve day killed us 

Struggled in Aus coz of Night fixtures.

2003 WC in SA most day games.... Did dominate Eng in D/N game though... Nehra spell.

 

Even defended par totals in Birmingham and Rose bowl in T20 series vs Eng

The distinction between day and night games doesn't exist as much in the Caribbean for whatever reason. 

 

In Australia , we were just unlucky that we played on the one pitch that does change under lights - Adelaide Oval 

 

When Darren Lehmann was coach, he claimed that Adelaide was the quickest pitch under lights in Australia. 

 

Sydney , MCG, Perth etc. don't vary much regardless of when you play. 

[Lone Wolf]

33 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

The distinction between day and night games doesn't exist as much in the Caribbean for whatever reason. 

 

In Australia , we were just unlucky that we played on the one pitch that does change under lights - Adelaide Oval 

 

When Darren Lehmann was coach, he claimed that Adelaide was the quickest pitch under lights in Australia. 

 

Sydney , MCG, Perth etc. don't vary much regardless of when you play. 

It exists Day games are little low scoring... Do watch how much runs WI and Eng plunder in Night T20s in Carribbean.

I reckon only India plays Day T20s in WI or Pak to suit timings .

Aus Eng SA all play D/N games in WI

[Nikhil_cric]

38 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

It exists Day games are little low scoring... Do watch how much runs WI and Eng plunder in Night T20s in Carribbean.

I reckon only India plays Day T20s in WI or Pak to suit timings .

Aus Eng SA all play D/N games in WI

What I meant is , it is pretty consistent for both innings. 

 

It's not like Dubai or Adelaide where it changes significantly in the 2nd innings. 

[putrevus]

10 hours ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Dhoni is not playing in upcoming world T20I.

But he was carried by the team for more than decade past his use by date.Sharma is just following footsteps of his first Kaptaan.

[vvvslaxman]

16 hours ago, putrevus said:

How many note worthy innings has so called great kaptaan Dhoni played in odis and t20s.You know how long did it take so called great finisher to score his first 50 in t20s.

 

How many stinking losses did he captain.

 

Dhoni was always a lower order batsman. You cannot compare him with a specialist batsman. 

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, putrevus said:

But he was carried by the team for more than decade past his use by date.Sharma is just following footsteps of his first Kaptaan.

 

MSD gave ODI captaincy to Kohli in Jan 2017. His ICC ranking in ODI was 12 when that happened. At the most he was doing badly for 1 year. Between 2012 and 2016 beginning MSD was averaging 55 more htan Kohli (50) and Rohit (41). 

 

Kohli 3055 (50.08) @92.91

Dhoni 2335 (55.59) @90.75

Rohit  2178(41.09) @85.09

 

So where is this carrying business comes into picture. MSD's real issue was continuing as a player after he quit his captaincy I really like to see how mr.Kohli and Mr.Rohit would have played as no.5 or no.6 batsman in ODI. 

 

MSD as a no.3  batsman was doing well

 

MSD   17 matches 993 runs 82.75 avge 99.96 Strike rate as a no.3 batsman. He could very well have played there and accumulated runs for the rest of his life.  He made Rohit an opener. Until then Rohit was sucking balls for 7 or 8 years. Mumbai lobby kept him on.

 

 

 

[putrevus]

20 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Dhoni was always a lower order batsman. You cannot compare him with a specialist batsman. 

He batted at number 4 /number5 in many matches and scored at lower SR than main batsmen, he was the reason why India lost so many knockout matches in t20s .

 

We had Braithwaite winning world cup by hitting 4 sixes on one hand and on other hand we have Dhoni who continuously screwed Indian team for a decade.

 

Sharma is no different than Dhoni in that aspect.Both are/were screwing Indian team and never should have been in t20 teams to begin with in the first place after so many failures.

[putrevus]

19 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

MSD gave ODI captaincy to Kohli in Jan 2017. His ICC ranking in ODI was 12 when that happened. At the most he was doing badly for 1 year. Between 2012 and 2016 beginning MSD was averaging 55 more htan Kohli (50) and Rohit (41). 

 

Kohli 3055 (50.08) @92.91

Dhoni 2335 (55.59) @90.75

Rohit  2178(41.09) @85.09

 

So where is this carrying business comes into picture. MSD's real issue was continuing as a player after he quit his captaincy I really like to see how mr.Kohli and Mr.Rohit would have played as no.5 or no.6 batsman in ODI. 

 

MSD as a no.3  batsman was doing well

 

MSD   17 matches 993 runs 82.75 avge 99.96 Strike rate as a no.3 batsman. He could very well have played there and accumulated runs for the rest of his life.  He made Rohit an opener. Until then Rohit was sucking balls for 7 or 8 years. Mumbai lobby kept him on.

 

 

 

You keep quoting nonsenical avgs and we are talking about t20s also.

 

What exactly did Dhoni do after he relinquished captaincy in any tournament?? If it were any other WK batsman India was winning 2019 semifinal.

 

Other than his 91, he did very little in any crunch games, there also he was carried to finals.

Edited May 16 by putrevus

[vvvslaxman]

18 minutes ago, putrevus said:

You keep quoting nonsenical avgs and we are talking about t20s also.

 

What exactly did Dhoni do after he relinquished captaincy in any tournament?? If it were any other WK batsman India was winning 2019 semifinal.

 

Other than his 91, he did very little in any crunch games, there also he was carried to finals.

 

As i said as a captain his batting was not that terrible as you portray. When you say "carry Dhoni" i presume when he was the captain. It was not the case.  You keep comparing a lower order batsman with someone who bats at no.3.  Kohli has humongous averages in ODI and Test. Travis head has far less average. But he has acehived more than Kohli achieved. Compare with like for like position. I have criticized MSD. But i don't use his poor show in the backend to hype Kohli. .. Kohli as a captain what did he achieve? He was the main batsman in 2019. What did he do?   NOthing. In 2015 semi final. Under MSD Kohli's contribution was 1(13). MSD 65(65). Even the washed up MSD looked better than Peak Kohli in crunch game.  So this "carrying" theory doesn't hold up.  Against Bangldesh crunch game Kohli was again a no show. Got out for 3.  Rohit made 137. It was a quarter final. Imagine everyone being  a no show. We would have been knocked out by Bangladesh in a world cup. All Kohli's achievements are in ultra pyjama format T20. Sure i will give him that. 

[putrevus]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

As i said as a captain his batting was not that terrible as you portray. When you say "carry Dhoni" i presume when he was the captain. It was not the case.  You keep comparing a lower order batsman with someone who bats at no.3.  Kohli has humongous averages in ODI and Test. Travis head has far less average. But he has acehived more than Kohli achieved. Compare with like for like position. I have criticized MSD. But i don't use his poor show in the backend to hype Kohli. .. Kohli as a captain what did he achieve? He was the main batsman in 2019. What did he do?   NOthing. In 2015 semi final. Under MSD Kohli's contribution was 1(13). MSD 65(65). Even the washed up MSD looked better than Peak Kohli in crunch game.  So this "carrying" theory doesn't hold up.  Against Bangldesh crunch game Kohli was again a no show. Got out for 3.  Rohit made 137. It was a quarter final. Imagine everyone being  a no show. We would have been knocked out by Bangladesh in a world cup. All Kohli's achievements are in ultra pyjama format T20. Sure i will give him that. 

Are you kidding , it took more than decade for Dhoni to score a t20 50. That guy was the bane on Indian cricket, if it were any other captain, India was winning either 2014 or 2016  world t20 titles.

 

Dhoni is not lower order batsman. top order batsman get out early, it has happened many times in past also. That does not mean it should be a loss.