Out of final 3, which team are you supporting?

[Suhaan]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Once again RR lost steam as the tourney progressed. First 8-9 games it looked like they were invincible, after that the usual story. But yesterday's pitch was a disgrace. 

Without Butler they are toast,

Butler was terrible this season,they certainly need someone to fill his shoes with Jaiswal

Jaiswal too has some issues,he gets open at times doing so gets late

Parag is much like Dhoni takes time ,not much a fear factor in t20s

IPL franchises are still in process to break the T20 code few sides have understood it already,some are yet to

Not more than 1/2 you will need as consolidators(late starters)

I think role should be properly defined

Edited May 25 by Suhaan

[Nikhil_cric]

On 5/24/2024 at 11:52 AM, Gollum said:

RR winning the popularity contest by a landslide, we are the people's champ. 

 

 

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Don't think they are the most popular but I think they do get the most support from amongst neutrals. 

[Nikhil_cric]

On a tough pitch , all the foreign players of RR came unstuck - TKC, Rovman, Hettie.   Only Jaiswal and Jurel got the measure of the pitch. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

On a tough pitch , all the foreign players of RR came unstuck - TKC, Rovman, Hettie.   Only Jaiswal and Jurel got the measure of the pitch. 

Both test class batsman. If SRH had batted second they would have imploded. Apart from risky Head nobody is a test class batsman. 

[vvvslaxman]

I never expected SRH to get this far.  But form of Abhishek and Nattu played a major role in their turn around. Head and Klassen were expected to bat well.

[Lord]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I never expected SRH to get this far.  But form of Abhishek and Nattu played a major role in their turn around. Head and Klassen were expected to bat well.

 

Also Cummins captaincy. Only thing they missed was played Unadkat over Umran

[vvvslaxman]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Also Cummins captaincy. Only thing they missed was played Unadkat over Umran

 

He used Unadkat on certain pitches. He is crediting Vettori for playing shabaz ahmed as impact sub.  BUt that was a nobrainer though because they were struggling to put up a par score as the pitch got worse and worse in the 2nd half. 1.5 degree became 3.3 degree turn. This match reminded me of 1996 world cup semi final. They thought pitch would hold for whole match. But it crumbled immediately. No dew whatsoever. That justified the move .

Edited May 25 by vvvslaxman

[Chaos]

5 hours ago, Gollum said:

Shall support SRH in the final. Hope Abhishek Sharma and Natarajan shine, can't believe these 2 weren't selected by Agarkar. 

good

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

On a tough pitch , all the foreign players of RR came unstuck - TKC, Rovman, Hettie.   Only Jaiswal and Jurel got the measure of the pitch. 

 

This is the pitch we needed for the 2023 WC final 

[Lord]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This is the pitch we needed for the 2023 WC final 

 

difference was lack of dew, not pitch

[Gollum]

2 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

This is the pitch we needed for the 2023 WC final 

Then Aussies would have batted first, posted 260 and Zampa would have given a MOTM performance. 

 

We needed a normal flat pitch and backed ourselves, shown confidence in our abilities. Wrong venue also. 

[Gollum]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

difference was lack of dew, not pitch

Pitch gripped and turned much more in second innings. Both pitch and lack of dew worked in SRH's favor. 

[Chaos]

Just now, Gollum said:

Pitch gripped and turned much more in second innings. Both pitch and lack of dew worked in SRH's favor. 

r u still crying… lil one stop. Srh will win trophy. Dont have a heart attack now

[Chaos]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Pitch gripped and turned much more in second innings. Both pitch and lack of dew worked in SRH's favor. 

ohh u one of the gannnds that wanted SRH to lose. Now i get it

 

[Ultimate_Game]

14 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Then Aussies would have batted first, posted 260 and Zampa would have given a MOTM performance. 

 

We needed a normal flat pitch and backed ourselves, shown confidence in our abilities. Wrong venue also. 

 

Absolutely agreed on the venue part. But I think we would've won on the pitch even if Aussies had batted first. That would've been a repeat of 2011 WC QF where Aussies batted first on a similar surface and scored 260, which India was able to chase. But you're correct with these mental midgets, we would've more than likely collapsed. After all there're no Yuvraj and Raina in this team.

[Ultimate_Game]

27 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

difference was lack of dew, not pitch

 

Still think that Ashwin instead of Siraj in that game would've resulted in a much closer game. Head wouldn't have been able to have it so easy with Ashwin around. Still can't understand why Ashwin wasn't played ahead of Siraj when you asked for a slow pitch.

[Gollum]

6 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Absolutely agreed on the venue part. But I think we would've won on the pitch even if Aussies had batted first. That would've been a repeat of 2011 WC QF where Aussies batted first on a similar surface and scored 260, which India was able to chase. But you're correct with these mental midgets, we would've more than likely collapsed. After all there're no Yuvraj and Raina in this team.

Exactly, nobody in this team to do a Raina-Yuvraj 2011. 

Edited May 25 by Gollum

[Lord]

7 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Still think that Ashwin instead of Siraj in that game would've resulted in a much closer game. Head wouldn't have been able to have it so easy with Ashwin around. Still can't understand why Ashwin wasn't played ahead of Siraj when you asked for a slow pitch.

 

What did Ashwin do yesterday with no dew and Head playing?

 

Siraj should have been used as new ball bowler or atleast 3rd. Using him as 5th bowler was dumb af

[Gollum]

Not a question of personnel. We showed fear in the WC final, and Aus is one team you have to be brave against. Even their mediocre teams raise their games in big games/events, that 1987 team of theirs had no business even entering semis. In 2011 QF, only that Indian team or 1983-85 Indian team could have stopped that mid tier Australia. 

 

All teams that have beaten Aussies in WC KOs have taken the fight to them, Lloyd in 1975 F (80 ball 100 was unheard of those days), Aravinda chasing masterclass in 1996, Yuvi-Raina in 2011, Roy in 2019 SF. In T20Is, our most courageous team stopped them in 2007 Durban.

 

We played like cowards on November 19th.

[Ultimate_Game]

17 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

What did Ashwin do yesterday with no dew and Head playing?

 

Siraj should have been used as new ball bowler or atleast 3rd. Using him as 5th bowler was dumb af

 

I can understand the thought process of not using Siraj upfront. After the below par score of 240, our only chance was put pressure on Aussies and take wkts. Bumrah and Shami were the best options to do so as Siraj has the knack  of going for plenty in the first couple of overs. IMO even if we'd scored 270-280, Siraj would've opened the bowling. But with 240 as the score there simply wasn't any breathing room.

 

However, thinking itself wasn't right in the first place. If you're going for a slow, turning pitch by tampering it, that means you don't need pacers, and spinners will be the "go to" option. So what exactly was Siraj selected for? Whether Ashwin would've taken wkts or not is not the point, it's the thought process I've problem with. If you're going for a slow pitch which helps spinners, your best bet is to go with Ashwin, and not Siraj as Siraj will be absolutely useless on such a pitch. Plus with lefties in Aus team, Ashwin would've been a better option. Nobody can see the future but you try to make sure you've the odds in your favor. We did it in 2011 when we played on the same ground (Motera) and had Ashwin in the team. At least our approach made sense. This time round our thinking & approach didn't make any sense.

 

Either we should've gone for a batting pitch which remains the same throughout. Or we should've gone for a slowish pitch (a la Chennai one) and packed the team with spinners. We tried to do the latter but left spinners out - that's the baffling part. We didn't do anything properly.

Edited May 25 by Ultimate_Game