rollingstoned Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said: Forget about those two. Can someone explain why he can't make squad ahead of the so called legspinner that is Chahal? I will play hom even as a lower order hitter because he will be better than Chahal as a bowler alone and the few runs he hits will be a bonus. By all accounts Hitman rates Chahal highly and asked for his inclusion when he was out of reckoning in every format. Not sure what he is expecting by way of conditions in WI and USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 4 minutes ago, rollingstoned said: By all accounts Hitman rates Chahal highly and asked for his inclusion when he was out of reckoning in every format. Not sure what he is expecting by way of conditions in WI and USA. Yes, this was Rohit's decision. He is 100% accountable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 25 Share Posted May 25 6 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said: Yes, this was Rohit's decision. He is 100% accountable 6 hours ago, rollingstoned said: By all accounts Hitman rates Chahal highly and asked for his inclusion when he was out of reckoning in every format. Not sure what he is expecting by way of conditions in WI and USA. There's a well known saying "A's hire A's and B's hire C's". The point being that people who're not good enough or insecure hire people they know aren't that good and won't be a threat to them. Indian team is run the same way. They have a clique or old boy's club going where performance and results don't matter. As long as you're part of the clique you're golden. Unfortunately, Abhishek, Rinku, Riyaan Parag, Nattu, Varun C aren't part of that club whereas Chahal, Siraj, Avesh (Dravid's love child), Axar, Jadeja are. rollingstoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 15 hours ago, rollingstoned said: By all accounts Hitman rates Chahal highly and asked for his inclusion when he was out of reckoning in every format. Not sure what he is expecting by way of conditions in WI and USA. hitman also rates buffets and vada pavs highly. doesn't mean that a vada pav should be in the team Sgattick10, rollingstoned and Lord 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakdephatte Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Axar. Why people don't rate him? Has been impressive in both departments for larger part of last three seasons, or maybe longer. In fact, the issue with team India that he doesn't play as much as he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 18 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said: Axar. Why people don't rate him? Has been impressive in both departments for larger part of last three seasons, or maybe longer. In fact, the issue with team India that he doesn't play as much as he should. Did you watch him in the last WT20? He couldn't even bowl an over and looked worse than a part timer. And his batting was like a tailender. No thanks, seen enough of him and know he isn't an upgrade over Jadeja. Vijy, Sgattick10 and cricspirit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakdephatte Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 Just now, Ultimate_Game said: Did you watch him in the last WT20? It was in Australia. Forget it. In general, he show play most of oir ODIs in place of Jadeja. In T20s, we should find a replacement for both, but till now, he is the best of the limited set of players we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 3 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said: It was in Australia. Forget it. In general, he show play most of oir ODIs in place of Jadeja. In T20s, we should find a replacement for both, but till now, he is the best of the limited set of players we have. Axar is almost a like for like replacement for Jadeja. I would rather the team goes with likes of Abhishek and Parag to fill up Axar/Jadeja's quota. I mean they won't be much worse in bowling, and will be light years ahead in batting. We gotta do what Eng, Aus, SA are doing. They get a few overs in with Livingstone, Head, Maxwell, Markaram, Chapman etc. I'm sure Abhishek & Parag can do so. Will allow us to have a deeper batting lineup and more hitters. Nikhil_cric and Vijy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chakdephatte Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said: Axar is almost a like for like replacement for Jadeja. I would rather the team goes with likes of Abhishek and Parag to fill up Axar/Jadeja's quota. I mean they won't be much worse in bowling, and will be light years ahead in batting. We gotta do what Eng, Aus, SA are doing. They get a few overs in with Livingstone, Head, Maxwell, Markaram, Chapman etc. I'm sure Abhishek & Parag can do so. Will allow us to have a deeper batting lineup and more hitters. I absolutely understand. Only difference is that don't keep Jadeja and Axar in the same bracket. As far as Parag is concerned, do you think his performance before this season warranted even a contention for a spot? Abhishek could have been fast tracked, no doubt. I rather feel we missed a chance to develop and all rounder in Jaiswal. He bowls leg spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 2 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said: I absolutely understand. Only difference is that don't keep Jadeja and Axar in the same bracket. As far as Parag is concerned, do you think his performance before this season warranted even a contention for a spot? Abhishek could have been fast tracked, no doubt. I rather feel we missed a chance to develop and all rounder in Jaiswal. He bowls leg spin. I think Parag deserved a spot. Parag scored 550 runs this IPL ata high SR while batting at 4 and 5. Problem is that most people don't factor in batting position while selecting a team. Top order will always have more runs at a higher SR as they get to face more deliveries, and also bat during PPs. Parag came in when there was no PP and didn't have luxury to build an innings like an opener. You have to compare Parag's performance to other middle order batsmen and I didn't see many who were better than him. Our selectors will pick Kohli to bat at 3 based on his performances as an opener, and Samson to bat at 5 or 6 based on his performances at 3. They have to understand that you have to select players for a spot based on performances at that batting position else you may as well select all top order batsmen and slot them out of position. That's why Samson fails. He bats in the top order in IPL, performs there, and then gets slotted in at 5 or 6 for India where he fails. This will continue as batting in middle or lower order is totally different from batting at the top of the order, and you need batsmen who have performed in that position, and not select batsmen simply based on higher averages. rollingstoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndianRenegade Posted May 26 Share Posted May 26 (edited) On 5/24/2024 at 10:31 AM, maniac said: Can someone explain this stupidity? gujju quota. motta bhai ka betta sharma ka betta. Edited May 26 by IndianRenegade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 (edited) 21 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said: I think Parag deserved a spot. Parag scored 550 runs this IPL ata high SR while batting at 4 and 5. Problem is that most people don't factor in batting position while selecting a team. Top order will always have more runs at a higher SR as they get to face more deliveries, and also bat during PPs. Parag came in when there was no PP and didn't have luxury to build an innings like an opener. You have to compare Parag's performance to other middle order batsmen and I didn't see many who were better than him. Our selectors will pick Kohli to bat at 3 based on his performances as an opener, and Samson to bat at 5 or 6 based on his performances at 3. They have to understand that you have to select players for a spot based on performances at that batting position else you may as well select all top order batsmen and slot them out of position. That's why Samson fails. He bats in the top order in IPL, performs there, and then gets slotted in at 5 or 6 for India where he fails. This will continue as batting in middle or lower order is totally different from batting at the top of the order, and you need batsmen who have performed in that position, and not select batsmen simply based on higher averages. Paragh would have been a better selection than Abhishek IMO (though both could have been selected), since the latter tailed off badly in high(er) pressure innings Edited May 27 by Vijy BacktoCricaddict 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate_Game Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 37 minutes ago, Vijy said: Paragh would have been a better selection than Abhishek IMO (though both could have been selected), since the latter tailed off badly in high(er) pressure innings Either would do fine. We want to see some fresh blood and multi-dimensional players. BacktoCricaddict, Vijy and Lord 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted May 27 Share Posted May 27 1 hour ago, Ultimate_Game said: Either would do fine. We want to see some fresh blood and multi-dimensional players. the order I would prefer is paragh and then abhishek Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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