Sad state of India

[G_B_]

If people are complaining about India I wonder what they say about the rest of south asia...

 

India is the only country which is not a guest at the imf in some form. The reason why this is the case is there is some form of fiscal committment from the Modi gov. 

 

Poster child of growth Vietnam has had its average gdp growth prediction trimmed to 5% for the next 5 years. 

 

More vietnamese per capita leave for "abroad" than india. You would think India is the only country which is shedding people.

 

The blunt truth is that the world is not in a good financial shape. @Ranvir like to quote gdp per capita, but the uk gdp per capita in real terms is static for the last 5 years. If you go back further the uk gdp per capita in real terms is still at levels barely above of 2007. Thats nearly two decades of 0 growth. This contimues and even at 5% growth over the next 30 years, india gdp per capita will overtake the uk...

 

I dont think people realise that if trends continue just how bad a shape western europe and japan etc are in... 

 

 

[Vicks57]

1 hour ago, kepler37b said:

The only freebies the modern state can provide are education and healthcare. 

 

Other than that everything is a gimmick that makes people even more lazy.

 

The SJW activists must stop peddling poverty porn.

 

What about free meals in govt schools?

 

TN Chief Minister Kamaraj from INC introduced free meal scheme for school children in 1956. Before that, kids used to go to work with their parents. Kamaraj and the successive Chief Minister's changed the attitude towards education in our state. Look at the Gross Enrollment ratio of TN. We are the best in it. We already achieved the objective NEP long back.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/india-at-75-epochal-moments-1956-free-meals-for-schoolchildren-in-tamil-nadu/article65723218.ece/amp/

 

What about the 1000 rupees per month assistance to women from lower income families? 1 Cr women are beneficiaries in TN. Different states have different policies. Maharashtra won the elections based on that 1000 rupees monthly scheme.

 

What about free bus scheme for women in TN and Karnataka? 

 

Nearly 70 percent of all women working in industries are employed in the southern states of Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, and Kerala. TN makes up 50 percent of it.

 

https://theprint.in/economy/why-tamil-nadus-women-make-up-nearly-half-of-indias-female-factory-workforce/2012023/

 

What about the old age pension scheme?

 

The Indira Gandhi National Widow Pension Scheme' was launched by the Social Welfare and Women Empowerment Department, Government of Tamil Nadu. The scheme aims to provide a pension of ₹1,000/- to destitute people of 60 years and above belonging to households below the poverty line. The scheme also provides one free saree to females, one free dhoti to males during Pongal and Deepavali, and free rice in the Anganwadi Centres. 

 

 

Edited November 30, 2024 by Vicks57

[Vicks57]

1 hour ago, G_B_ said:

If people are complaining about India I wonder what they say about the rest of south asia...

 

India is the only country which is not a guest at the imf in some form. The reason why this is the case is there is some form of fiscal committment from the Modi gov. 

 

Poster child of growth Vietnam has had its average gdp growth prediction trimmed to 5% for the next 5 years. 

 

More vietnamese per capita leave for "abroad" than india. You would think India is the only country which is shedding people.

 

The blunt truth is that the world is not in a good financial shape. @Ranvir like to quote gdp per capita, but the uk gdp per capita in real terms is static for the last 5 years. If you go back further the uk gdp per capita in real terms is still at levels barely above of 2007. Thats nearly two decades of 0 growth. This contimues and even at 5% growth over the next 30 years, india gdp per capita will overtake the uk...

 

I dont think people realise that if trends continue just how bad a shape western europe and japan etc are in... 

 

 

 

Our GDP per capita is like 2500 USD. We are below Bangladesh for god's sake.

 

UK's GDP per capita is like 47000 USD. No way we catch that anytime soon.

 

Even China's is like 12000 USD. 

 

At best, we can become a middle income country like China and Mexico.

 

[gattaca]

4 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Our GDP per capita is like 2500 USD. We are below Bangladesh for god's sake.

 

UK's GDP per capita is like 47000 USD. No way we catch that anytime soon.

 

Even China's is like 12000 USD. 

 

At best, we can become a middle income country like China and Mexico.

 

Below Bangladesh and Indians flee to Bangladesh for jobs lol.  UK is going to struggle big time so is America. American is paying interest on it debt. It is the highest expenditure for America. India is at a good position. In India food affordability is much better than in US. Democrats lost because of affordability of food and home. Most countries are seeing inflation because of Covid relief expenditure. 

Edited November 30, 2024 by gattaca

[Ranvir]

7 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Our GDP per capita is like 2500 USD. We are below Bangladesh for god's sake.

 

UK's GDP per capita is like 47000 USD. No way we catch that anytime soon.

 

Even China's is like 12000 USD. 

 

At best, we can become a middle income country like China and Mexico.

 

China will become a first world nation soon. Their cities are on another level. 

[gattaca]

2 hours ago, Ranvir said:

China will become a first world nation soon. Their cities are on another level. 

lol. China has lot of problems. China doesn’t even has drinking water. The manufacturing has led to widespread pollution of their rivers. 50 pc is so polluted they can’t even use it for agriculture and 80 pc is not fit for drinking. China’s economy is slowing down and they don’t know how to keep growing on top of it trump is going to put tariffs on china. China has ghost towns and they kept building to show real estate is good investment but their biggest realtor is bankrupt. The loans they gave to countries are not going to get paid. They are also loosing population many of them will be on state benefits and they have less people who work to pay the benefits for the state. 

[coffee_rules]

15 hours ago, Ranvir said:

This 5th largest economy is nonsense. Look at the population difference. India's is 20 times more so it's economy should be 20 times that of the UK to have a comparable living standard. Ever heard of GDP per capita? UK is 20th in the world, India is 141st.
 

GDPpc is not the  only measure to compare economies. Purchasing power parity is another measure, there is a lot more a person in India can buy with a similar commodity costing much more. Living in the west is viable  only for Dinks (Double income no kids)  families. 
 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/purchasing-power-parity-ppp/#:~:text=PPP allows economists to compare,GDP) figures to reflect PPP.
 

PPP involves an economic theory that compares different countries' currencies through a "basket of goods" approach. That is, PPP is the exchange rate at which one nation's currency would be converted into another to purchase the same and same amounts of a large group of products.

 

According to this concept, two currencies are in equilibrium—their currencies are at par—when a basket of goods is priced the same in both countries, taking into account the exchange rates.

15 hours ago, Ranvir said:

China's economy is over 4 times larger. I've visited India several times and while there is improvement each time the chaos and lack of order remains. Oh yes the CEOs, they have also left India for better opportunities abroad, how do they benefit India in any way? They're just another case of brain drain. India will forever remain a developing country. 

 

If the education system is so bad , how come people evolve out of the system and successful abroad? India is not a first world high income country , but not down in the dumps. It has its ups and downs

15 hours ago, Ranvir said:

Animal lovers, don't make me laugh. I've seen people kick those unwanted street dogs, people abandon cows once they stop producing milk. 

 

[Stan AF]

Gujarat Man Shares Intel On Coast Guard With Pakistani Spy For Rs 200 A Day, Arrested

 

Last Updated:November 30, 2024, 10:13 IST

The accused, Dipesh, reportedly used to receive Rs 200 per day for sharing intelligence about the movement of Coast Guard ships with the Pakistani agent.

 

The accused had easy access to the Coast Guard ships as a contractual worker | Image: X

The Gujarat Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) arrested a contractual worker for allegedly putting “national security at risk" by sharing sensitive information on Indian Coast Guard ships with Pakistani agents.

The accused, Dipesh, reportedly used to receive Rs 200 per day for sharing intelligence about the movement of Coast Guard ships and had received a total of Rs 42,000 from a Pakistani agent.

 

https://www.news18.com/india/gujarat-man-shared-intel-on-coast-guard-with-pakistani-spy-for-rs-200-a-day-arrested-9140273.html

[kepler37b]

12 hours ago, Ranvir said:

China will become a first world nation soon. Their cities are on another level. 

China is a one culture(largely), Han state. It does not suffer from steep fault lines in caste/language/religion/region like India. NRI/BJP Nationalists have lost touch with ground reality of our society

 

 

 

 

[kepler37b]

20 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

 

What about free meals in govt schools?

 

TN Chief Minister Kamaraj from INC introduced free meal scheme for school children in 1956. Before that, kids used to go to work with their parents. Kamaraj and the successive Chief Minister's changed the attitude towards education in our state. Look at the Gross Enrollment ratio of TN. We are the best in it. We already achieved the objective NEP long back.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/frontline.thehindu.com/the-nation/india-at-75-epochal-moments-1956-free-meals-for-schoolchildren-in-tamil-nadu/article65723218.ece/amp/

 

What about the 1000 rupees per month assistance to women from lower income families? 1 Cr women are beneficiaries in TN. Different states have different policies. Maharashtra won the elections based on that 1000 rupees monthly scheme.

 

What about free bus scheme for women in TN and Karnataka? 

 

Nearly 70 percent of all women working in industries are employed in the southern states of Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, and Kerala. TN makes up 50 percent of it.

 

https://theprint.in/economy/why-tamil-nadus-women-make-up-nearly-half-of-indias-female-factory-workforce/2012023/

 

What about the old age pension scheme?

 

The Indira Gandhi National Widow Pension Scheme' was launched by the Social Welfare and Women Empowerment Department, Government of Tamil Nadu. The scheme aims to provide a pension of ₹1,000/- to destitute people of 60 years and above belonging to households below the poverty line. The scheme also provides one free saree to females, one free dhoti to males during Pongal and Deepavali, and free rice in the Anganwadi Centres. 

 

 

These are short term patch works that are aimed to pacify/bribe the working classes. To cover up the faults of our Public education and Healthcare infrastructure. 

 

 

[Vicks57]

2 hours ago, Stan AF said:

Gujarat Man Shares Intel On Coast Guard With Pakistani Spy For Rs 200 A Day, Arrested

 

Last Updated:November 30, 2024, 10:13 IST

The accused, Dipesh, reportedly used to receive Rs 200 per day for sharing intelligence about the movement of Coast Guard ships with the Pakistani agent.

 

The accused had easy access to the Coast Guard ships as a contractual worker | Image: X

The Gujarat Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) arrested a contractual worker for allegedly putting “national security at risk" by sharing sensitive information on Indian Coast Guard ships with Pakistani agents.

The accused, Dipesh, reportedly used to receive Rs 200 per day for sharing intelligence about the movement of Coast Guard ships and had received a total of Rs 42,000 from a Pakistani agent.

 

https://www.news18.com/india/gujarat-man-shared-intel-on-coast-guard-with-pakistani-spy-for-rs-200-a-day-arrested-9140273.html

 

Crazy stuff. Gujjus 

 

Edited December 1, 2024 by Vicks57

[Ranvir]

On 12/1/2024 at 4:35 AM, coffee_rules said:

GDPpc is not the  only measure to compare economies. Purchasing power parity is another measure, there is a lot more a person in India can buy with a similar commodity costing much more. Living in the west is viable  only for Dinks (Double income no kids)  families. 
 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/purchasing-power-parity-ppp/#:~:text=PPP allows economists to compare,GDP) figures to reflect PPP.
 

PPP involves an economic theory that compares different countries' currencies through a "basket of goods" approach. That is, PPP is the exchange rate at which one nation's currency would be converted into another to purchase the same and same amounts of a large group of products.

 

According to this concept, two currencies are in equilibrium—their currencies are at par—when a basket of goods is priced the same in both countries, taking into account the exchange rates.

If the education system is so bad , how come people evolve out of the system and successful abroad? India is not a first world high income country , but not down in the dumps. It has its ups and downs

 

This successful abroad thing needs to stop. It is a very tiny minority of the 1.4 billion who are successful abroad, I am talking about the masses and their upliftment. 

[Lone Wolf]

On 12/1/2024 at 7:14 PM, Stan AF said:

Gujarat Man Shares Intel On Coast Guard With Pakistani Spy For Rs 200 A Day, Arrested

 

Last Updated:November 30, 2024, 10:13 IST

The accused, Dipesh, reportedly used to receive Rs 200 per day for sharing intelligence about the movement of Coast Guard ships with the Pakistani agent.

 

The accused had easy access to the Coast Guard ships as a contractual worker | Image: X

The Gujarat Anti-Terrorist Squad (ATS) arrested a contractual worker for allegedly putting “national security at risk" by sharing sensitive information on Indian Coast Guard ships with Pakistani agents.

The accused, Dipesh, reportedly used to receive Rs 200 per day for sharing intelligence about the movement of Coast Guard ships and had received a total of Rs 42,000 from a Pakistani agent.

 

https://www.news18.com/india/gujarat-man-shared-intel-on-coast-guard-with-pakistani-spy-for-rs-200-a-day-arrested-9140273.html

Yograj Singh was villified and hated but he was onto something 

[BlueBlood]

On 11/30/2024 at 11:35 PM, coffee_rules said:

GDPpc is not the  only measure to compare economies. Purchasing power parity is another measure, there is a lot more a person in India can buy with a similar commodity costing much more. Living in the west is viable  only for Dinks (Double income no kids)  families. 
 

https://www.investopedia.com/updates/purchasing-power-parity-ppp/#:~:text=PPP allows economists to compare,GDP) figures to reflect PPP.
 

PPP involves an economic theory that compares different countries' currencies through a "basket of goods" approach. That is, PPP is the exchange rate at which one nation's currency would be converted into another to purchase the same and same amounts of a large group of products.

 

According to this concept, two currencies are in equilibrium—their currencies are at par—when a basket of goods is priced the same in both countries, taking into account the exchange rates.

If the education system is so bad , how come people evolve out of the system and successful abroad? India is not a first world high income country , but not down in the dumps. It has its ups and downs

 

 

All this talk as always one simple question:

 

If India is so great why dont you go back and work there and settle back?

 

After all, struggling with H1B, RFE and so many other hurdles in the US that make you an absolute indentured slave to your employer or be sent back home if they fire you and you lose your job.

 

Yet, not a single person goes back unless forced to by way of losing their job or deported. Even now with Trump literally threatening to eliminate birthright citizenship in the US for temporary workers and illegal immigrants still you lot stick around in fear.

 

Yet we see pages upon pages of posts on why India will lead the world in 30 years. I clearly remember growing up on Vision 2020 which later became Vision 2030 and now Vision 2050. 

 

As the saying goes with all you BJP Bots: "what you are doing is so LOUD that I can't hear what you are saying". Actions speak louder than words.

 

We all know the reality.

[kepler37b]

A divided country will spend all it's energy in internal bickering. 

 

While China builds clean and first world cities, this is what india does:

 

 

The nationalists can run the hamster of first world dreams as much as possible, but I do not see it happening.

 

Unless a strong hindutva movement pulverizes the religious/linguistic and regional diversity of this country. We need 1000x more hindutva.

[Stan AF]

3 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

All this talk as always one simple question:

 

If India is so great why dont you go back and work there and settle back?

 

After all, struggling with H1B, RFE and so many other hurdles in the US that make you an absolute indentured slave to your employer or be sent back home if they fire you and you lose your job.

 

Yet, not a single person goes back unless forced to by way of losing their job or deported. Even now with Trump literally threatening to eliminate birthright citizenship in the US for temporary workers and illegal immigrants still you lot stick around in fear.

 

Yet we see pages upon pages of posts on why India will lead the world in 30 years. I clearly remember growing up on Vision 2020 which later became Vision 2030 and now Vision 2050. 

 

As the saying goes with all you BJP Bots: "what you are doing is so LOUD that I can't hear what you are saying". Actions speak louder than words.

 

We all know the reality.

Their spouses will divorce them and their kids will laugh at their faces if they even bring up the idea.

 

Gyaan is only reserved for others.

[kepler37b]

4 hours ago, BlueBlood said:

 

All this talk as always one simple question:

 

If India is so great why dont you go back and work there and settle back?

 

After all, struggling with H1B, RFE and so many other hurdles in the US that make you an absolute indentured slave to your employer or be sent back home if they fire you and you lose your job.

 

Yet, not a single person goes back unless forced to by way of losing their job or deported. Even now with Trump literally threatening to eliminate birthright citizenship in the US for temporary workers and illegal immigrants still you lot stick around in fear.

 

Yet we see pages upon pages of posts on why India will lead the world in 30 years. I clearly remember growing up on Vision 2020 which later became Vision 2030 and now Vision 2050. 

 

As the saying goes with all you BJP Bots: "what you are doing is so LOUD that I can't hear what you are saying". Actions speak louder than words.

 

We all know the reality.

In my opinion, west needs these high value immigrants. If trump tinkers with H1B, the Chinese will be in line to absorb them. 

 

Trump will be shooting himself in the balls. 

 

MAGA crowd, for all their tantrums, cannot be as committed as Chinese factory workers or H1B "coolies".

[coffee_rules]

10 hours ago, kepler37b said:

@BlueBlood

I don’t respond to personal jibes like this normally , but you are trolling with 0 facts and age for LS stereotypes. A lot of OCIs have returned back to India in last 10-15 years, some are even active on ICF. You don’t respond to any thing I pointed about the state of Insia, but as usual throw insults as if to make a point. You are a low-life troll, go check how many NRIs are doing Gharwapsi. 
 

6 hours ago, Stan AF said:

Their spouses will divorce them and their kids will laugh at their faces if they even bring up the idea.

 

Gyaan is only reserved for others.

Not true, at least 20 people I know have moved back in the last few years and they have moved back with families. I tried it in 2015 and lived with family for two years in India. Last I checked, I am still not divorced and we had a great time in India  Every one has their own personal equations to settled wherever. Some try , some give up. Some are happy living back. Nothing to be mocked or stereotyped about NRIs. Most of us are pro-India.

Edited December 3, 2024 by coffee_rules

[kepler37b]

46 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

I don’t respond to personal jibes like this normally , but you are trolling with 0 facts and age for LS stereotypes. A lot of OCIs have returned back to India in last 10-15 years, some are even active on ICF. You don’t respond to any thing I pointed about the state of Insia, but as usual throw insults as if to make a point. You are a low-life troll, go check how many NRIs are doing Gharwapsi. 
 

Not true, at least 20 people I know have moved back in the last few years and they have moved back with families. I tried it in 2015 and lived with family for two years in India. Last I checked, I am still not divorced and we had a great time in India  Every one has their own personal equations to settled wherever. Some try , some give up. Some are happy living back. Nothing to be mocked or stereotyped about NRIs. Most of us are pro-India.

Where did I post personal insults? Did I ever call you names?

 

When i criticize nationalists, it is only at ideological level. Not at personal level.

 

You can counter my points by using terms as india-baiters etc.,. 

 

And yes, a bunch of NRI's doing gharwapasi is NOT ALONE enough to counter my points.  It is circumstantial but NOT complete.

 

Let's not bring strong emotions while talking logic. It will cloud your judgement.

Edited December 3, 2024 by kepler37b

[coffee_rules]

22 minutes ago, kepler37b said:

Where did I post personal insults? Did I ever call you names?

 

When i criticize nationalists, it is only at ideological level. Not at personal level.

 

You can counter my points by using terms as india-baiters etc.,. 

 

And yes, a bunch of NRI's doing gharwapasi is NOT ALONE enough to counter my points.  It is circumstantial but NOT complete.

 

Let's not bring strong emotions while talking logic. It will cloud your judgement.

Apologize, all my response was for neela khoon. Galti se misteek ho gya