Pant is a problem in T20

[New guy]

1 hour ago, MumInd said:

he has proven to be not good enough in T20I....

 

can repalce with Samson and team dynamics stay the same....

Second highest total run for india till last match and best keeper and keeper batsman in the tournament but is not good enough because you say so

[New guy]

11 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

Pant is excellent in Tests.

Pant is good in ODI ( where he can take his time in the middle overs and also can score due to 4 fielder restriction.)

 

But Pant is total misfit in T20s. Not a power player, nor a touch player. Just ugly hacks and mostly impactless contributions.

 

A keeper batsman who was the second most run scorer for india till last game (and is just 25 behind sky now) mostly on realy difficult wickets, is not good enough and impactlesss according to the same stat worshipping guys on this forum. Hilarious. Clearly shows the different standards these guys have 

[lemsip]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Game sense is missing. He could have waited for spinners.  That was an uber casual shot on a two paced pitch. It caught the toe of the bat.

I would argue the opposite..he is playing with good game sense and taking some risks that give the team and advantage and sometimes they don't come off. Playing fearlessly means not worrying about getting out and being comfortable with the odd failure. India have a long batting line-up and 20 overs isnt much. The results since the team has been playing like this speak for themselves.

Additionally, Pant is often at the crease during the powerplay when the batting team has a significant advantage with the lack of outfielders. Playing shots rather than worrying about getting out is absolutely the right approach. In the game when Rohit was murdering the Aussie bowlers, pant did adapt to just giving him the strike.

Pant is doing a very good job and there is no need for him to modify his approach. It's Kohli that the concern should be directed at.

[vvvslaxman]

42 minutes ago, lemsip said:

I would argue the opposite..he is playing with good game sense and taking some risks that give the team and advantage and sometimes they don't come off. Playing fearlessly means not worrying about getting out and being comfortable with the odd failure. India have a long batting line-up and 20 overs isnt much. The results since the team has been playing like this speak for themselves.

Additionally, Pant is often at the crease during the powerplay when the batting team has a significant advantage with the lack of outfielders. Playing shots rather than worrying about getting out is absolutely the right approach. In the game when Rohit was murdering the Aussie bowlers, pant did adapt to just giving him the strike.

Pant is doing a very good job and there is no need for him to modify his approach. It's Kohli that the concern should be directed at.

That was not fearless. You have to understand the pitch was stopping.  So everyone was early by a second into the shot. When you take risk least you should do is target areas where there are no fielders. Atleast it will fall in no man's land. 

[lemsip]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

44 minutes ago, lemsip said:

I would argue the opposite..he is playing with good game sense and taking some risks that give the team and advantage and sometimes they don't come off. Playing fearlessly means not worrying about getting out and being comfortable with the odd failure. India have a long batting line-up and 20 overs isnt much. The results since the team has been playing like this speak for themselves.

Additionally, Pant is often at the crease during the powerplay when the batting team has a significant advantage with the lack of outfielders. Playing shots rather than worrying about getting out is absolutely the right approach. In the game when Rohit was murdering the Aussie bowlers, pant did adapt to just giving him the strike.

Pant is doing a very good job and there is no need for him to modify his approach. It's Kohli that the concern should be directed at.

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That was not fearless. You have to understand the pitch was stopping.  So everyone was early by a second into the shot. When you take risk least you should do is target areas where there are no fielders. Atleast it will fall in no man's land.

Rohit also had his share of luck and was dropped by Salt early in his innings as well but kept playing shots too. The only difference was that Pants shot was caught and Rohit's was dropped. Armchair quarterbacking is easy..the players are not stupid. They know where the fielders are but sometimes you have to take calculated risks in the powerplay as clearing the infield means a boundary. The point is that the team has stopped worrying about the odd individual failure and milestones in this format and the results are there for all to see. Had India had Pant rather than kl on a stopping pitch in Ahmedabad in the 50 over final, they wouldn't have frozen as they ended up doing.

[zen]

 Pant, who is probably the best WK batsman in India at the moment, has been good so far, batting in difficult conditions on many occasions. 

 

 

 

 

[cowboysfan]

Pant is a very good keeper but he will be never be a good T20 batsman, but if his competition is Samson then he needs to play the final.

[Norman]

Pant is the least of our problems... atleast in this tournament.

 

Yes he did play some stupid shots , but he's worth the punt.

[deepdynamo]

2 hours ago, New guy said:

How is someone who is the second highest total runs scorer till before last match (and he is just 25 runs behind SKY now) and played crucial knocks on difficult US pitch a "complete failure"? Kohli is playing his FIFTH T20 and laying and an egg and this is the player you target?

 

And he is a wicket keeper bat and is playing the all rounder role

 

Complete disregard for the condition of the pitches, but but but he is a total failure you guys. He has wiped the floor with every keeper in the tournament.

 

People like you keep worshipping worthless stat padders but dont understand how small crucial knocks like his helps the team. You guys just know useless 50s which dont do anythign instead of knocks which keep the momentum going

 

The fact that this brain dead post has likes shows the quality of this forum

Jeez....chill man...don't get your knicker twisted. You did the same in IPL as well whenever Pant name come into discussion.
You may be a Pant fan but don't go overboard with childish tantrums over the quality of this forum.

No one is worshipping statpadders- Kohli is done and has no future in T20s but Pant is potential captain going forward. 
Moreover you cannot have just intent, eventually you have to score if you come in Top 3 in T20Is.
Pant was hiding in IPL coming at No.5/6,  there you can have your sweet cameos of 30s and 40s on flat tracks. But he is batting at 3 in this world cup ( on not so flat wickets) but apart from one chancy inning against Pakistan he has done zilch in this world cup. Any other player at No.3 would have done same or better.

and finally stats may not give you a true picture but over a longer sample period, they do present a fair picture.
73 T20I at 125 SR for a player that play with intent is poor.

Best of luck to Pant and I wish that he prove his distracter wrong in the final. He is playing at crucial position and hope he fire in the most important game.
 

[dilliboy]

10 minutes ago, deepdynamo said:

Jeez....chill man...don't get your knicker twisted. You did the same in IPL as well whenever Pant name come into discussion.
You may be a Pant fan but don't go overboard with childish tantrums over the quality of this forum.

No one is worshipping statpadders- Kohli is done and has no future in T20s but Pant is potential captain going forward. 
Moreover you cannot have just intent, eventually you have to score if you come in Top 3 in T20Is.
Pant was hiding in IPL coming at No.5/6,  there you can have your sweet cameos of 30s and 40s on flat tracks. But he is batting at 3 in this world cup ( on not so flat wickets) but apart from one chancy inning against Pakistan he has done zilch in this world cup. Any other player at No.3 would have done same or better.

and finally stats may not give you a true picture but over a longer sample period, they do present a fair picture.
73 T20I at 125 SR for a player that play with intent is poor.

Best of luck to Pant and I wish that he prove his distracter wrong in the final. He is playing at crucial position and hope he fire in the most important game.
 

Was great in the first game, and had crucial knocks against Afghanistan and Bangladesh as well.

 

Only the last game against England was a proper failure

[Frustrated]

3 hours ago, dilliboy said:

Was great in the first game, and had crucial knocks against Afghanistan and Bangladesh as well.

 

Only the last game against England was a proper failure

Failed against Aus too. 

14 from 15 balls.  

[Ultimate_Game]

7 hours ago, Lord said:

His keeping alone is worth his place in the team. Should open if Jaiswal isn't gonna play

 

Yup, maybe the team management should swap Pant and Kohli's batting positions. Without an early wkt down, Pant is unlikely to play or start defensively the way he has been doing the last couple of games - no doubt due to Kohli's early wkt.

[mikeypbadana86]

pant is high risk and high reward who was badly missed in 2023 ODI final. Pant >>>>>> miles ahead of KL Rahul who succumbed to preassure in 2019 and 2023 World Cup.

Pant's high risk approach will be better in knock out final where he can attack even if india loses early wickets setting/chasing a target. His risk approach should result in a good partnership though. He may throw it away too but way better than being conservative. His x-factor is the key

[Muloghonto]

16 hours ago, New guy said:

Second highest total run for india till last match and best keeper and keeper batsman in the tournament but is not good enough because you say so

Him being Bradman or Walsh with the bat in Tests is literally irrelevant to this thread. 

Notice how i think Jurel should be ahead of Pant in Tests but never once have i advocated for Jurel in limited overs cricket ? 

Pant's main problem is he is a mediocre keeper. No amount of massaging his batting prowess will hide that fact. 

 

 

Edited June 28, 2024 by Muloghonto

[New guy]

23 hours ago, deepdynamo said:

Jeez....chill man...don't get your knicker twisted. You did the same in IPL as well whenever Pant name come into discussion.
You may be a Pant fan but don't go overboard with childish tantrums over the quality of this forum.

No one is worshipping statpadders- Kohli is done and has no future in T20s but Pant is potential captain going forward. 
Moreover you cannot have just intent, eventually you have to score if you come in Top 3 in T20Is.
Pant was hiding in IPL coming at No.5/6,  there you can have your sweet cameos of 30s and 40s on flat tracks. But he is batting at 3 in this world cup ( on not so flat wickets) but apart from one chancy inning against Pakistan he has done zilch in this world cup. Any other player at No.3 would have done same or better.

and finally stats may not give you a true picture but over a longer sample period, they do present a fair picture.
73 T20I at 125 SR for a player that play with intent is poor.

Best of luck to Pant and I wish that he prove his distracter wrong in the final. He is playing at crucial position and hope he fire in the most important game.
 

 

Pant was out highest scorer in the most difficult US leg - fact

 

Pant was our second highest scorer till last match and is still only 25 behind SKY - Fact

 

so how is he not delivering?

 

50 and big innings count for JACK **** in T20s. 

 

You say you are not stat worshipping but you are still crying about lack of 50s. Why? how is that not worshipping personal stats? Quick 30s help the team way more in T20s than stat padding 50s. In the Bangla match all our top order, rohit, SKY, Pant scored fast and we reached 195. Thats the perfect T20 recipe, everyone needs to keep the score card moving instead of trying for "Big" innings.

 

When Pant fails he barely wastes balls which doesnt harm the team

 

It is normal to be frustrated when indian fans still dont understand how T20s should work. They still want "BIG" knocks instead of fast knocks. And then they say they dont worship stats. So many of Kohli's big knocks end up in defeats.

Edited June 29, 2024 by New guy

[Lord]

On 6/28/2024 at 11:27 AM, vvvslaxman said:

That was not fearless. You have to understand the pitch was stopping.  So everyone was early by a second into the shot. When you take risk least you should do is target areas where there are no fielders. Atleast it will fall in no man's land. 

 

Just a slight execution error. He wanted to go over the fielder

[G_B_]

We have bigger concerns than Pant

 

Like the dubster and jadeja with the ball

 

On balance batting at number 3 and keeping is new to him. But worth a place in the side.

 

Opening with jaiswal in place of dube will solve multiple problems

[MK55]

Definitely has to play the finals. Although long term, I’m not convinced of him in T20s. He can improve there if he wants. 

Good thing about him is that even though he has a limited range, he doesn’t have a weakness against both pace/bounce and spin. And that’s why in tests he’s a match winner. 

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, G_B_ said:

We have bigger concerns than Pant

 

Like the dubster and jadeja with the ball

 

On balance batting at number 3 and keeping is new to him. But worth a place in the side.

 

Opening with jaiswal in place of dube will solve multiple problems

Jadeja usually targets the stumps.He has suddenly started bowling short outside the off stump. Batsmen stays back and cuts him, slap him through the off side for 4.

[speed_thrills]

Pant is always a problem when you are in a hurry.

Edited June 29, 2024 by speed_thrills