Pant is a problem in T20

[Ravi_Shastri]

Agreed, we need to play with shorts on

[EnterTheVoid]

Bloody Hell. Gone.

[MumInd]

On 6/27/2024 at 11:48 PM, New guy said:

Second highest total run for india till last match and best keeper and keeper batsman in the tournament but is not good enough because you say so

nobody cares about round robin games against USA or other associate nations....

 

WC final and played a braindead shot to get out for duck.....

[Chakdephatte]

India is adopting an attacking approach. But I would have liked him to be watchful today. SA had Shamshi and Maharaj, and our he was our best counter for them. 

 

Good that Axar promotion worked. Maharaj can be fatal against right handers. 

[deepdynamo]

Another ugly inning on a batting patta...don't know why he is undroppable in T20s...

He was 20(20) today ( with one drop catch) before some ungainly hacks and some cheap runs at backend mostly those ugly hoicks to fineleg. 

 

75 T20I matches for Pant with 125 SR....too much a sample size to show he is not a T20 batsman. Maybe time for some other WK to get a decent run. Samson or someone else.
 

Edited July 28, 2024 by deepdynamo

[Ultimate_Game]

Should be dropped from T20s. Doesn't deserve the spot and stalls the innings. Now is the time to build an aggressive team after the oldies and anchors have moved on. We don't need another batsman in T20s who takes forever to get going. He's great in Tests but not anywhere good enough in white-ball cricket, especially T20s.

[Frustrated]

25 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

Should be dropped from T20s. Doesn't deserve the spot and stalls the innings. Now is the time to build an aggressive team after the oldies and anchors have moved on. We don't need another batsman in T20s who takes forever to get going. He's great in Tests but not anywhere good enough in white-ball cricket, especially T20s.

Pant should be replaced by Samson.  But the problem with samson is his keeping skills are not upto intl level.  It's at par with kela.  So 1 or 2 dropped catches plus missed stumpings are bound to happen. 

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Pant should be replaced by Samson.  But the problem with samson is his keeping skills are not upto intl level.  It's at par with kela.  So 1 or 2 dropped catches plus missed stumpings are bound to happen. 

 

Samson is not the right fit either. Samson is good only if he plays in the top3. He struggles big time lower down the order and can't go from the start just like Pant. Our T20 top order is already set with likes of Jaiswal, Abhishek, Gill and SKY so we can't fit Samson there. So that's why better to go with options who can hit from the start - someone like Jitesh or Jurel. They'll get us 25-30 from 12-16 deliveries and that's what we really need.

 

Need a high impact and high SR wk than someone with a high average. And as you mention Samson is not a good keeper and struggles to collect cleanly. Both Jitesh and Jurel are better wkt keepers as well.

[Norman]

We have no other option really. It's not like we have a Butler waiting in the ranks.

 

Samson is a mediocre keeper.

 

Jitesh is trash against pace. 

 

Kishan is terrible in the middle order.

 

Jurel is not built for T20s..

 

Kela is well...kela.

 

We can certainly afford pant now that we began having a bit of batting depth.

[Ultimate_Game]

27 minutes ago, Norman said:

We have no other option really. It's not like we have a Butler waiting in the ranks.

 

Samson is a mediocre keeper.

 

Jitesh is trash against pace. 

 

Kishan is terrible in the middle order.

 

Jurel is not built for T20s..

 

Kela is well...kela.

 

We can certainly afford pant now that we began having a bit of batting depth.

 

We always had depth and enough talent... it's just that we never changed our batting approach & philosophy. We continually went top heavy and bombed in the knockouts. Finally we're playing modern cricket and adding depth, and no surprises it's working. We've seen it work for CSK and MI in IPL but somehow we used the RCB template for Team India 

 

Kishan is not a good middle order batsman. Talent wise KL is the best but he lacks mentally and I would never go with him. It leaves Jitesh and Jurel and they play with the right intent. I would always take team players like Jitesh or Jurel over stats padders like KL. Pant should be given clear instructions on what the expectation is and if he doesn't improve we've to move to others.

[bowl_out]

16 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Samson is not the right fit either. Samson is good only if he plays in the top3. He struggles big time lower down the order and can't go from the start just like Pant. Our T20 top order is already set with likes of Jaiswal, Abhishek, Gill and SKY so we can't fit Samson there. 

I'd rather give Samson more innings at different batting positions than persist with Pant's struggles. Pant is batting at 3 or 4 anyway now, which Samson can take right away.

Edited July 28, 2024 by bowl_out

[Ultimate_Game]

12 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

It's rather give Samson more innings at different batting positions than persist with Pant's struggles. Pant is batting at 3 or 4 anyway now, which Samson can take right away.

 

I wouldn't begrudge Samson chances at 4. I would prefer Parag at 4, Rinku at 5 and the new wkt keeper at 6. If we have Samson at 4, Parag and Rinku pushed down further. Even today they were wasted which I don't want to.

 

But we need to try someone else. Pant has had plenty of chances and he simply doesn't look settled in T20s. IMO we wasted a great opportunity to try a new pace-allrounder as well. No point in playing Pandya and he should've been rested along with Bumrah. We should've tried Nitish Reddy and Venky Iyer to find backups for Pandya.

[Tillu]

Pant is not some world beating keeper when he started out. All the potential keepers to replace him would improve by leaps and bounds once there is so much focus on them as a keeper. So stop trying to make it look like he was indispensable in white ball cricket.

[Lord]

10 hours ago, bowl_out said:

It's rather give Samson more innings at different batting positions than persist with Pant's struggles. Pant is batting at 3 or 4 anyway now, which Samson can take right away.

 

Pant needs to play at 5-6. Samson can't be considered unless he improves keeping and learns to bat in lower middle order. He's captain of RR should have taken that opportunity but took easy route

[jf1gp_1]

Pant is not the problem. People who see him as problem are the problem. 

[bowl_out]

15 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I wouldn't begrudge Samson chances at 4. I would prefer Parag at 4, Rinku at 5 and the new wkt keeper at 6. If we have Samson at 4, Parag and Rinku pushed down further. Even today they were wasted which I don't want to.

Rather than look for the hypothetical wicketkeeper at No.6, groom the one you have in Samson by giving him a consistent run. Once he gets runs at 4, he can start to develop a game at 5. The problem is that we are quick to relegate him as someone who won't improve his lower order batting but we are ready to wait till eternity for Pant. 

Samson has played some 25 T20I in 8 years and surely deserves a better run than that. In comparison, Pant has played almost 70, despite being out of action for 18 months

[Lord]

1 minute ago, bowl_out said:

Rather than look for the hypothetical wicketkeeper at No.6, groom the one you have in Samson by giving him a consistent run. Once he gets runs at 4, he can start to develop a game at 5. The problem is that we are quick to relegate him as someone who won't improve his lower order batting but we are ready to wait till eternity for Pant. 

Samson has played some 25 T20I in 8 years and surely deserves a better run than that. In comparison, Pant has played almost 70, despite being out of action for 18 months

 

Samson needs to improve keeping big time. Also needs to bat lower for his franchise. He's captain there so could have easily taken that opportunity.

[Real McCoy]

On 6/28/2024 at 1:33 PM, deepdynamo said:

Jeez....chill man...don't get your knicker twisted. You did the same in IPL as well whenever Pant name come into discussion.
You may be a Pant fan but don't go overboard with childish tantrums over the quality of this forum.

No one is worshipping statpadders- Kohli is done and has no future in T20s but Pant is potential captain going forward. 
Moreover you cannot have just intent, eventually you have to score if you come in Top 3 in T20Is.
Pant was hiding in IPL coming at No.5/6,  there you can have your sweet cameos of 30s and 40s on flat tracks. But he is batting at 3 in this world cup ( on not so flat wickets) but apart from one chancy inning against Pakistan he has done zilch in this world cup. Any other player at No.3 would have done same or better.

and finally stats may not give you a true picture but over a longer sample period, they do present a fair picture.
73 T20I at 125 SR for a player that play with intent is poor.

Best of luck to Pant and I wish that he prove his distracter wrong in the final. He is playing at crucial position and hope he fire in the most important game.
 

 

he always gets his knickers twisted. you don't have to do much. criticize his favorite players and you'll get this overreaction. this guy also claims women are all over him like fleas to sh1t. do you believe a guy whose emotions are not under his control can get any women. he is calling you a worshipper of statspadder. thats ironic since he worships sachin vadapavji. dude, come to the dark side. keep posts like this coming to annoy him

[bowl_out]

27 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Samson needs to improve keeping big time. Also needs to bat lower for his franchise. He's captain there so could have easily taken that opportunity.

Franchisees look for what is best for them, not necessarily what is good for the player.

I don't think it is always the captain's call either, particularly for a coach-heavy team like RR.

Keeping-wise, yes, Pant is way better. But, for T20s, I'd rather take an average keeper, good bat than a great keeper, average bat.

 

[Ultimate_Game]

33 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

Rather than look for the hypothetical wicketkeeper at No.6, groom the one you have in Samson by giving him a consistent run. Once he gets runs at 4, he can start to develop a game at 5. The problem is that we are quick to relegate him as someone who won't improve his lower order batting but we are ready to wait till eternity for Pant. 

Samson has played some 25 T20I in 8 years and surely deserves a better run than that. In comparison, Pant has played almost 70, despite being out of action for 18 months

 

Between Pant and Samson I would give Samson chances. But the problem is even in those 25 T20s Samson hasn't impressed and didn't look like the difference maker. What works in Pant's favor is that he's a left hander and allows us to maintain that left-right combo in the middle, and also pedigree - mostly in Tests due to his exploits in Aus.

 

Agree that they can give Samson a few T20s at 4 and if he doesn't deliver, move on. Pant so far hasn't impresses and it's quite probable that Gambhir will make a call on him after the series and go in a different direction.