US 2024 Elections

[kepler37b]

On 9/24/2024 at 6:35 AM, coffee_rules said:

Obama coaching went wrong. Trump is talking BS , but at least he’s talking about the subject. Obama would do similar sidestep, but then say something on the subject. She is the Rahul Gandhi of USA!

 

 

America is the country ripe for conquest. Phirangs have become soft and addicted to urban comforts. They have lost their resilience.

 

People are losing their **** for a 8 percent inflation, ignoring an invasion at the southern border. 

 

 

 

 

[randomGuy]

Elon Musk today :

 

"Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it! Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast as humanly possible, that would be about 2 million new legal voters in 4 years. The voting margin in the swing states is often less than 20 thousand votes. That means if the “Democratic” Party succeeds, there will be no more swing states!! Moreover, the Biden/Harris administration has been flying “asylum seekers”, who are fast-tracked to citizenship, directly into swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Arizona. It is a surefire way to win every election. America then becomes a one-party state and Democracy is over. The only “elections” will be the Democratic Party primaries. This already happened in California many years ago, following the 1986 amnesty. The only thing holding California back from extreme socialism and suffocating government policies is that people can leave California and still remain in America. Once the whole country is controlled by one party, there will be no escape. Everywhere in America will be like the nightmare that is downtown San Francisco."

[ravishingravi]

 

[ravishingravi]

6 hours ago, randomGuy said:

Elon Musk today :

 

"Very few Americans realize that, if Trump is NOT elected, this will be the last election. Far from being a threat to democracy, he is the only way to save it! Let me explain: if even 1 in 20 illegals become citizens per year, something that the Democrats are expediting as fast as humanly possible, that would be about 2 million new legal voters in 4 years. The voting margin in the swing states is often less than 20 thousand votes. That means if the “Democratic” Party succeeds, there will be no more swing states!! Moreover, the Biden/Harris administration has been flying “asylum seekers”, who are fast-tracked to citizenship, directly into swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin and Arizona. It is a surefire way to win every election. America then becomes a one-party state and Democracy is over. The only “elections” will be the Democratic Party primaries. This already happened in California many years ago, following the 1986 amnesty. The only thing holding California back from extreme socialism and suffocating government policies is that people can leave California and still remain in America. Once the whole country is controlled by one party, there will be no escape. Everywhere in America will be like the nightmare that is downtown San Francisco."

 

Well this is not a new tactic. This is exactly what Kejriwal did in Delhi and Mamta did in WB. Change the demographic. Bring in illegals / non locals. Cater to them. Naturalize. 

 

Democrats were smart enough to start this in 2012. Interestingly this great democracy doesnt necessarily require you to even produce citizenship proof or voter ID. Not kidding :). 

 

Civil war is the only way this will settle. Let's see when this boils over. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Well this is not a new tactic. This is exactly what Kejriwal did in Delhi and Mamta did in WB. Change the demographic. Bring in illegals / non locals. Cater to them. Naturalize. 

 

Democrats were smart enough to start this in 2012. Interestingly this great democracy doesnt necessarily require you to even produce citizenship proof or voter ID. Not kidding :). 

 

Civil war is the only way this will settle. Let's see when this boils over. 

US will Start a new conflict in Asia if things comes to that.

Civil War ain't happening.  Let's just say it is closer than ever to happen in India than in US 

[Muloghonto]

3 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

 

Well this is not a new tactic. This is exactly what Kejriwal did in Delhi and Mamta did in WB. Change the demographic. Bring in illegals / non locals. Cater to them. Naturalize. 

 

Democrats were smart enough to start this in 2012. Interestingly this great democracy doesnt necessarily require you to even produce citizenship proof or voter ID. Not kidding :). 

 

Civil war is the only way this will settle. Let's see when this boils over. 

Funny thing is, i also think end-game of america is another civil war, this time with permanent fractures, because this time, there are PLENTY of sides in the world who have direct interest to see that the rebels win in terms of asserting independence, unlike back in 1850s, when the world saw America as 'edge of the world, seedier and working class daredevils of the anglo-saxon world sitting near a vast amount of sparse & land next to it, sort of like a Brazil today' . 

So when there are those idiots Euros on social media that talk about how India is an unnatural country created by the Brits and was never once united as is today, i laugh and see Murrica- the world's biggest example of an unnatural, never before seen and likely never again to be seen perversity of a country to pop into existence. 

Americans and westerners seem to've forgotten, that regardless of whether it was the Huns or Mongols or Saljuks or the anyone in history, a huge chunk of land quickly conquered by outsiders and spans a geographical territory it never had before always falls apart after a few centuries at best. 

 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

US will Start a new conflict in Asia if things comes to that.

Civil War ain't happening.  Let's just say it is closer than ever to happen in India than in US 

LOL. 

Insurgency isnt civil war. neither are armed rebellions in the army. 

To have true civil war, ala Murrican civil war or Russian civil war ( the one that got the bolsheviks in power), you need vast areas of your country to be in armed & logistic support of your side of the war, fighting the 'gormint/other factions of civil war) - same as is happening in Syria or Yemen. Actual civil war. Not armed insurrection/sedition/betrayal of army etc. 

And as such, America is FAR, FAAAAAAAAAAAR better equipped than any other major nation to HAVE a civil war. 
Because in theory, if America gets even more polarized AND a charismatic leader for civil war shows up and gets martyred for it, america DOES have the grassroot capacity to have civil war. 
Because tens of thousands of American civilians know how to and make arms at small business level, all the way from gunpoweder+bullets to their own little guns and **** that THEY made. That number isnt even in 100s in most other countries of strict gun control like India or China or UK etc. 

So yes, while American civil war is very unlikely, because CIA isn't that stupid or incompetent to let a hero-figure emerge for civil war and will try to frame this guy as scumbag criminal before offing him, but thats FAR more likely in a place like USA than India, where Indian civilian population has little to no ability to contribute to and sustain a civil war against the military and any 'civil war' will just basically be at best an army faction going outta control till it fights rest of the army or some state falling into total insurgency and the army showing up to fight there and having bloodbath. 

 

[coffee_rules]

Kamala Harris will intervene in Kashmir, she says. No fact-checking on the lies spread by the Pakistani activist journalist 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

20 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

LOL. 

Insurgency isnt civil war. neither are armed rebellions in the army. 

To have true civil war, ala Murrican civil war or Russian civil war ( the one that got the bolsheviks in power), you need vast areas of your country to be in armed & logistic support of your side of the war, fighting the 'gormint/other factions of civil war) - same as is happening in Syria or Yemen. Actual civil war. Not armed insurrection/sedition/betrayal of army etc. 

And as such, America is FAR, FAAAAAAAAAAAR better equipped than any other major nation to HAVE a civil war. 
Because in theory, if America gets even more polarized AND a charismatic leader for civil war shows up and gets martyred for it, america DOES have the grassroot capacity to have civil war. 
Because tens of thousands of American civilians know how to and make arms at small business level, all the way from gunpoweder+bullets to their own little guns and **** that THEY made. That number isnt even in 100s in most other countries of strict gun control like India or China or UK etc. 

So yes, while American civil war is very unlikely, because CIA isn't that stupid or incompetent to let a hero-figure emerge for civil war and will try to frame this guy as scumbag criminal before offing him, but thats FAR more likely in a place like USA than India, where Indian civilian population has little to no ability to contribute to and sustain a civil war against the military and any 'civil war' will just basically be at best an army faction going outta control till it fights rest of the army or some state falling into total insurgency and the army showing up to fight there and having bloodbath. 

 

 

Yeah about freaking time. Things getting ripe for one. Empires rot from within and implode. It's also karmic in some sense given how US has intervened and supported genocide in many instances to maintain its hegemony. I know some Indians will get impacted. But in Rajiv Gandhi's eloquent words after anti Sikh riots... 

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

4 hours ago, coffee_rules said:

Kamala Harris will intervene in Kashmir, she says. No fact-checking on the lies spread by the Pakistani activist journalist 

 

 

Trump is coming back 

[ravishingravi]

Haha. Would love to get Amreekan to explain this. 

 

 

[ravishingravi]

23 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

Haha. Would love to get Amreekan to explain this. 

 

 

 

@BacktoCricaddict @coffee_rules @VVS Laxman @Lone Wolf @Vicks57 @cowboysfan

 

Esteemed residents in Amreeka. Is this true ? What documents do people have to carry on voting day ?

[Muloghonto]

27 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

@BacktoCricaddict @coffee_rules @VVS Laxman @Lone Wolf @Vicks57 @cowboysfan

 

Esteemed residents in Amreeka. Is this true ? What documents do people have to carry on voting day ?

So let me tell you the BIGGEST difference between America and every other nation ( be it India, Australia, Canada etc). 
You see, for one, only in america is criminal penalty state dependent as well as federal dependent. What does that mean ? it means states can ALSO make criminal law applicable to state only. Perfect eg: early 2000s, there were some US states where possession of marijuana was a criminal offence, in some states its just a misdemenour. 

Same way, what ID you need or whether you need ID to vote- even in Federal elections - is state dependent. There are currently 12 states in USA where no voterID is required to vote. Which means, there is no voter card requirement, all you have to do, is pull out ANY ID that matches your name in the register and whatever signature is on your ID must match the signature on voting form( its the form you sign that says you have voted, then go in the booth and cast ur vote). 

In california, even student ID or corporate ID badge is sufficient. 

Now what happens if you have no ID at all and you wanna vote in Federal elections in California ? 
THIS is what happens ( i am not sure what it means exactly by provisional - your guess is as good as mine), according to the Californian state govt. website on voting: 
" (c) If a voter or new registrant does not present proof or a document that complies with this section, then the voter or new registrant shall be advised by the poll worker or other election official with whom the voter or new registrant is conferring that he or she may vote a provisional ballot and the voter or new registrant shall be permitted to do so." 

 

 

Also, regarding fraud in US elections. Not many know this, but US elections is the EASIEST election on the planet to rig. Why ? because again, 'state laws'. 
Ie, when a country votes - be it canada or india or uk or japan - in national elections that is- WHAT that country does in terms of logistics & vote security - is consistent throughout the country. Meaning, how you provide security for the booths, how you transport the damn voting machine/ballot box, who are present when its carried to location, then back to counting center, who are watching when the count is done - it is the SAME standard across the nation in every single country.......except America. 

Where 'how the ballot box gets here, who are present outside the booths,(ie party workers, how many, etc), how it is sealed, how it is transported, how it is counted ( do you triple count the same box in a row, as in 3 people sit around counting the same ballot box one after the other to verify the number of ballots ? Do all three count at the same time as 4th person pulls out the votes from the box, etc) is state dependent. 

Meaning, how the vote is being counted, how the ballot box is being brought to your neighbourhood is different for California to Wyoming to Texas to New Mexico etc. 

***THIS****  is why there are continuous rumours around US elections going back to Al Gore and Dubya and their 'hanging chads' controversy- because in florida, 'hanging chads' are counted as proper votes ( Back then they had punch cards, where you punched a hole with a hole puncher by the candidate you select), while say in California, if the punched piece of paper(chad) was still attached even at the corner, it is counted as a nota/spoilt ballot. 

 

Murricans try to hide this aspect of their election LOGISTICS from rest of the world and many Americans are so dumb and self absorbed, even when they know this is how america does federal elections, they dont know that nobody else does it this way, so they dont see anything amiss in this process.

 

Edited October 2 by Muloghonto

[coffee_rules]

36 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

 

@BacktoCricaddict @coffee_rules @VVS Laxman @Lone Wolf @Vicks57 @cowboysfan

 

Esteemed residents in Amreeka. Is this true ? What documents do people have to carry on voting day ?

 

No ID checks in my blue state! No ID checks for mail-in votes. It's a weird system. It's an honor system. 

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

 

No ID checks in my blue state! No ID checks for mail-in votes. It's a weird system. It's an honor system. 

So walk us through what happens when you go to vote and say 'i am here to vote i am john Dough, i live on 717 41st avenue' in your state, so the desis can better understand. 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

12 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

So walk us through what happens when you go to vote and say 'i am here to vote i am john Dough, i live on 717 41st avenue' in your state, so the desis can better understand. 

 

When the real John Doe shows up or has already shown up, they will ask our favorite ICFer whether he'd like cream and sugar in his prison coffee.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S026137941730166X

 

Yes, the potential for widespread fraud exists, but that doesn't mean that it does exist. When we got our voter registration, we had to produce citizenship documents. Otherwise your name is not on the voter registration rolls. So, that takes the non-citizen argument out.

 

I personally think voter ID is an excellent idea, but only if the government can ensure that every citizen - blind, deaf, dumb, lame, old, black, white, brown, wheelchair-bound, dirt-poor (all 11 million of them who don't have currently a state ID or driver licence currently) citizen - can get one easily for free. The onus should not be on the citizen to get the card, but the govt to provide it. 

 

In NC, we must show a driver licence/state ID or passport.

 

 

Edited October 2 by BacktoCricaddict

[coffee_rules]

13 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

So walk us through what happens when you go to vote and say 'i am here to vote i am john Dough, i live on 717 41st avenue' in your state, so the desis can better understand. 

 

 

I get my booth/polling station/block# from my sample ballot that comes in mail. I go to the polling station, say my name, they check in their list and I vote. No ID checks. If some issue with finding my name or discrepancy , I get to vote  in a provisional ballot, they doesn't get counted if the margin is huge. It is counted only if the election is not called or in case of close votes. I presume all gets counted eventually after a few days/months. In many cases,  cndidates can choose to not concede until all votes get counted. There are nail-in votes, provisional ballots and papaer ballots in some counties. This is a f ucked up system.

 

Say, if somebody else votes in my name, they will have a tough time to pursue and convict (using CCTV footage etc.) , It depends on the state admin to pursue and I have never heard of anybody jailed because of voter fraud.

[ravishingravi]

Amreeka. 

 

 

[randomGuy]

 

 

[Vicks57]

18 minutes ago, randomGuy said:

 

 

 

 

Trump is a weirdo who spews bs..he is on flagrant . He might win against Kamala though.

 

Akash needs to grow some spine.