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coffee_rules Grand Master

coffee_rules

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13 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

IMO, Economics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optics

 

Hobnobbing with Rashya will not contribute to economic growth in India. 

 

If POTUS comes to India and lectures about religious freedom, then PMOI can come and lecture about race relations. Just keep the tangibly mutually beneficial relationship going.

 

 

You know USA is a big fish and reciprocating them on similar terms by India will not have the same impact. US controls IMF, WB and them throwing crap like religious freedom has more impact on India economically than India saying racial tension in USA has any impact on USA. Economically or otherwise . Kamala has uttered something on Kashmir during the campaign in 2020. Such things impact the narrative of India on Kashmir. 

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BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

BacktoCricaddict

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4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

them throwing crap like religious freedom has impact on India economically

It is hard for me to see this connection. If they start putting sanctions and such, I get it. But if it is just words, it doesn't seem like it will be a big deal except to get people riled up.

 

Muloghonto Grand Master

Muloghonto

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1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

IMO, Economics >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Optics

 

Hobnobbing with Rashya will not contribute to economic growth in India. 

 

If POTUS comes to India and lectures about religious freedom, then PMOI can come and lecture about race relations. Just keep the tangibly mutually beneficial relationship going.

 


You wanna explain to us, how 'hobnobbing'  the world's richest resource exporting nation isnt beneficial to one of the world's biggest resource importing nation, while it is beneficial to hobnob literally a richer competitor nation to ours ( USA) ?? 

 

Russia offers FAR greater long term benefit to India than USA does as a friend. For one, we give them an alternative to becoming too dependent on China (which is in Russian interests too), for two, we secure all the major mineral and energy resources we need for the next 200 years, for three, there is no geopolitical clash of interest between Russia and India ( unlike with the US). For four, unlike USA, Russia does not interfere in our elections or the elections of the regional nations we have a stake in. For five, Russia isnt sheltering terrorist and conversion mafia like the US is. 

Unless Indo-Americans can take a page outta the islamist book and show loyalty to India in every single aspect that doesnt directly affect them, US has little to offer India in the long term except for remittances and opportunity for Indians to colonize USA.

 

 

BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

BacktoCricaddict

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2 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

we secure all the major mineral and energy resources we need for the next 200 years

Good point. Is there a treaty in place for this?

 

Regardless, one of my points is that India does not become dependent on them for energy and fertilizer needs, but work towards her own independence. As vast as India is, there is enough land and other natural resources to make this happen with adequate investments in nuclear and ag technologies.

 

If you read my earlier posts in this thread, there may be some useful context (or not). Once those needs are internally achieved, I really don't see the value in any of the others.

 

But, then again, I am just a keyboard expert (like most of us here), so a grain of salt is in order.

 

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I went looking for some quick reading on the advantages of a friendly India-Russia relationships and came across this balanced article. It makes a lot of @Muloghonto's and @coffee_rules's points. My needle is moving.

 

https://theconversation.com/want-to-know-why-india-has-been-soft-on-russia-take-a-look-at-its-military-diplomatic-and-energy-ties-181133

 

But, I still feel that India is more ideologically aligned with the US (democracy, relatively free-market economics, infotech and biotech aspirations etc.). It has more trade relationships with the US than with Rashya. Rashya itself seems like a nation bereft of direction and depending on them seems like an unreliable proposition. But then, it has lasted 80 years. So, maybe you guys are correcter than I had thought.

 

 

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Muloghonto Grand Master

Muloghonto

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2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Good point. Is there a treaty in place for this?

 

Regardless, one of my points is that India does not become dependent on them for energy and fertilizer needs, but work towards her own independence. As vast as India is, there is enough land and other natural resources to make this happen with adequate investments in nuclear and ag technologies.

 

If you read my earlier posts in this thread, there may be some useful context (or not). Once those needs are internally achieved, I really don't see the value in any of the others.

 

But, then again, I am just a keyboard expert (like most of us here), so a grain of salt is in order.

 

Added in edit:

 

I went looking for some quick reading on the advantages of a friendly India-Russia relationships and came across this balanced article. It makes a lot of @Muloghonto's and @coffee_rules's points. My needle is moving.

 

https://theconversation.com/want-to-know-why-india-has-been-soft-on-russia-take-a-look-at-its-military-diplomatic-and-energy-ties-181133

 

But, I still feel that India is more ideologically aligned with the US (democracy, relatively free-market economics, infotech and biotech aspirations etc.). It has more trade relationships with the US than with Rashya. Rashya itself seems like a nation bereft of direction and depending on them seems like an unreliable proposition. But then, it has lasted 80 years. So, maybe you guys are correcter than I had thought.

 

 

 

Ideological alignments mean zero. NADA. ZILCH. 

Only thing that means anything, is long term interests. Our long term interest is not to become vassalised by murrica by getting too close to it and maintaining strategic autonomy. America's long term interest is to be the leader of the free world and not let any other free democratic country get rich that can supplant it due to demographic power. That is why America chooses to align with a military dictatorship with elements of theocracy in it ( pakistan) over the world's most advanced and intricate democracy.

 

BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

BacktoCricaddict

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1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

Ideological alignments mean zero. NADA. ZILCH. 

Only thing that means anything, is long term interests.

So. considering that trade between the US and India is accelerating more than it ever has, would you say there is a long-term interest there too? Or is that irrelevant?

 

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10384

 

 

 

Pardon my bringing up ideological agreement - I was focusing purely on trade and economics but got distracted by the entry of geopolitical issues and veered away.

 

 

 

 

TellTheTruth Enthusiast

TellTheTruth

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People are under estimating some of Trumps gaffs as well. He confused his alleged raped victim as his ex wife, confused nancy pelosi as nikki haley, said the US had an air force in 1776 and bunch of other things. His campaign had to walk back remarks of Trump saying he will give green cards to even community college graduates, a policy that would make the US immigration policy one of the most liberal in the world. Gaffs normally don't determine who wins the presidency, people know they aren't voting for one person but for a political party. It will come down to a few thousand votes in 2-3 key swing states. after 4 years of trump and 4 years of Biden everyone has already made up their mind. All that's going on now is political theater so people tune in to cnn or fox news.

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Muloghonto Grand Master

Muloghonto

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Just now, BacktoCricaddict said:

So. considering that trade between the US and India is accelerating more than it ever has, would you say there is a long-term interest there too? Or is that irrelevant?

 

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10384

 

 

 

Pardon my bringing up ideological agreement - I was focusing purely on trade and economics but got distracted by the entry of geopolitical issues and veered away.

 

 

 

 

The trade between India and US isnt a long term situation - its mostly services at this point, which will go somewhere else as India gets richer and labour costs go up. The trade that IS long term- manufacturing- if it increases with USA, will be mostly due to raw materials we are getting from Russia. 

Being excellent trade partners is irrelevant to being allies - otherwise China and US would be best buds by now.

 

 

BacktoCricaddict Grand Master

BacktoCricaddict

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7 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

The trade between India and US isnt a long term situation - its mostly services at this point, which will go somewhere else as India gets richer and labour costs go up. The trade that IS long term- manufacturing- if it increases with USA, will be mostly due to raw materials we are getting from Russia. 

Being excellent trade partners is irrelevant to being allies - otherwise China and US would be best buds by now.

 

 

Will India ever achieve self-sufficiency in raw material procurement (as vast as the nation is) for manufacturing? Why not wean ourselves away from the Russians?

coffee_rules Grand Master

coffee_rules

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29 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

So. considering that trade between the US and India is accelerating more than it ever has, would you say there is a long-term interest there too? Or is that irrelevant?

 

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF10384

 

 

 

Pardon my bringing up ideological agreement - I was focusing purely on trade and economics but got distracted by the entry of geopolitical issues and veered away.

 

 

 

 

The bilateral trade between India-China is 120 bil $s and ever increasing.  That doesn’t mean we can rely on China for strategic support. Same with US. It will never lead to long term ties. USA is known to use its economic muscle to make undermine poor countries. It helps India to have ties with Russia to leverage any ties with USA. After the Ukraine war, most of global companies from Microsoft to McDonald’s abandoned Russia. If it was in 1971, USA companies would do the same to India. India needs Russia to counter China as well. 
 

.. expert in geo-politics typing from a couch eating pesarattu

Muloghonto Grand Master

Muloghonto

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54 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

Will India ever achieve self-sufficiency in raw material procurement (as vast as the nation is) for manufacturing? Why not wean ourselves away from the Russians?

no. we simply do not have enough oil & rare materials or several of the in demand metals needed to be fully self sufficient. Only three countries are - USA, Russia and Brazil.

 

Muloghonto Grand Master

Muloghonto

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6 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

DJT injured in shooting at political rally. Shooter killed. Not much known at this point.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/trump-rally-incident

 

I don't like the guy, and think he is bad for the country and the world, but this is an appalling incident. Hope he recovers soon.

 

Unfortunately, a rally attendee's life was lost.

 

Any POTUS cannot both be bad for USA and bad for the world. Its always one or the other. so pick one. 

 

Lone Wolf Grand Master

Lone Wolf

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44 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

Oh boy! Trump is a clever bastard. He posed for the camera after getting shot.

 

images-22.jpg

 

This photo is already being touted as the greatest photo of the century.

 

Unless Biden drops out, this might be easy victory for Trump.

 

Terrible stuff for POC Americans. Racist incidents are only going to increase from now on.

 

 

Lol Indians are relieved that for a week at least they won't be racially abused by wignats:two_thumbs_up:

 

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