coffee_rules Posted Thursday at 12:37 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:37 PM 7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: USA is still the top country to settle down when you consider the life style, freedom, income, growth, opportunity. Nobody lines up to settle down in CHina. I can’t imagine living anywhere else. Either USA or India. It’s practically living like in India minus extended family. Lifestyle, multi cuisine, freedom to practice religion, festivals , very minimal racism. Only time I was told to back to India was in CA Bay Area vvvslaxman and Stan AF 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jigjig Posted Thursday at 12:42 PM Share Posted Thursday at 12:42 PM 11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: USA is still the top country to settle down when you consider the life style, freedom, income, growth, opportunity. Nobody lines up to settle down in CHina What is the top destination for legal immigrants from across the world? I bet US is somewhere up in the list vvvslaxman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted Thursday at 12:43 PM Author Share Posted Thursday at 12:43 PM (edited) 15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: USA is still the top country to settle down when you consider the life style, freedom, income, growth, opportunity. Nobody lines up to settle down in CHina. Maybe in your opinion. I didn't prefer US and many I know who did not. Seems like you have sampling bias. It's not longer 90s or 00s. India is 1.4 bn ( more than 4 times US population ) with different class and segments. In a segment of engineers / accountant / researchers etc first preference to go abroad is US. Simply because of money and opportunities. Now that US has become difficult and expensive and with visa issues, next preference is Europe / Australia. Then when it comes to pure migration for educated segment - Canada / Australia. This entire segment represent less than 0.5% of India's population. Now for the other illegal / labour / specific skill labour, they will go where the money is good and life is reasonable. Be it Serbia, Russia, UK, France, Germany, Poland, Canada. Edited Thursday at 12:44 PM by ravishingravi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Thursday at 01:23 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:23 PM 31 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Maybe in your opinion. I didn't prefer US and many I know who did not. Seems like you have sampling bias. It's not longer 90s or 00s. India is 1.4 bn ( more than 4 times US population ) with different class and segments. In a segment of engineers / accountant / researchers etc first preference to go abroad is US. Simply because of money and opportunities. Now that US has become difficult and expensive and with visa issues, next preference is Europe / Australia. Then when it comes to pure migration for educated segment - Canada / Australia. This entire segment represent less than 0.5% of India's population. Now for the other illegal / labour / specific skill labour, they will go where the money is good and life is reasonable. Be it Serbia, Russia, UK, France, Germany, Poland, Canada. There are over 5 million Indians in USA. Which country has that many Indians? If you add those who already became US citizens it will be a massive number. NRI + POI https://www.mea.gov.in/images/attach/nris-and-pios_1.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Thursday at 01:25 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:25 PM 46 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: I can’t imagine living anywhere else. Either USA or India. It’s practically living like in India minus extended family. Lifestyle, multi cuisine, freedom to practice religion, festivals , very minimal racism. Only time I was told to back to India was in CA Bay Area True that. As much as we like to blame for political things it is very easy for an Indian to assimilate here compared to lot of other countries. I have been to Paris. Never met more rude people than them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Thursday at 01:36 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:36 PM 52 minutes ago, jigjig said: What is the top destination for legal immigrants from across the world? I bet US is somewhere up in the list Ofcourse. It is not just money. It is the culture. Adulation of bollywood, michael jackson, IT industry what not we are far more connected with them than any other country both economical level and social level. I have heard stories about Indians can never feel assimilated even after 20 years in Japan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
randomGuy Posted Thursday at 02:01 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:01 PM " Democrat Harris leads Trump by 48% to 43% among likely voters in Michigan and by 51% to 45% in Wisconsin, two of three battleground states nicknamed the blue wall after helping President Joe Biden defeat Trump in 2020. In the third "blue wall" state, Pennsylvania, the CNN poll showed Harris and Trump tied at 48%. Pennsylvania's 19 electoral votes make it among the bigger prizes in the battle for the White House. Interviews were conducted Oct. 23-28 online and by telephone with 726 likely voters in Michigan, 819 in Pennsylvania and 736 in Wisconsin, CNN said. The margin of error was plus or minus 5 percentage points, it said." Kamaala leads by 500/600 bps in WI, MI states, tied in PA. Usually all 3 go one way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Thursday at 02:12 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:12 PM 1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said: USA is still the top country to settle down when you consider the life style, freedom, income, growth, opportunity. Nobody lines up to settle down in CHina. Untill they sort out the H1B system it is a huge barrier for a lot of Indians.Your not really settled on H1b status now are you? I know Indians who are there for 18+ years and have had to send their kids to college in Canada due to their H1B status. Places like the UK, Canada, Aus and NZ offer less wages and social mobility than the USA but more holidays (enough to visit relatives back home in India) and a much easier path to citizenship to settle down and lay roots. Many Indians find that more attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Thursday at 02:34 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:34 PM 12 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Untill they sort out the H1B system it is a huge barrier for a lot of Indians.Your not really settled on H1b status now are you? I know Indians who are there for 18+ years and have had to send their kids to college in Canada due to their H1B status. Places like the UK, Canada, Aus and NZ offer less wages and social mobility than the USA but more holidays (enough to visit relatives back home in India) and a much easier path to citizenship to settle down and lay roots. Many Indians find that more attractive. That is because they have quota (7%) for each country when it comes to issuing GC and citizenship. Indians significantly outnumbers others in H1b category where they don't have similar restriction. Invariably all H1b visa guys want to become citizens. It was okay upto a point. The queue was not big. But now the queue is very long. Biden administration is trying to do something about it. H1b visa is a temporary visa. So everybody started using it as a path for citizenship. That is where the clogging started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Thursday at 02:37 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:37 PM And with more indians coming to the usa via that path it will get more clogged with time....Chinese in same boat.If biden n dems wanted to fix it, they would have done so by now..Sent from my SM-S928B using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted Thursday at 02:45 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:45 PM 10 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Untill they sort out the H1B system it is a huge barrier for a lot of Indians.Your not really settled on H1b status now are you? I know Indians who are there for 18+ years and have had to send their kids to college in Canada due to their H1B status. Places like the UK, Canada, Aus and NZ offer less wages and social mobility than the USA but more holidays (enough to visit relatives back home in India) and a much easier path to citizenship to settle down and lay roots. Many Indians find that more attractive. I don’t know why Indians still leave India. India has lot of startups and companies. When I finished my bachelors I didn’t had a job so had to move. But now it is different. The life in these countries is selfish and not much great compared to what you are missing in India especially family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted Thursday at 02:46 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:46 PM 7 minutes ago, G_B_ said: And with more indians coming to the usa via that path it will get more clogged with time.... Chinese in same boat. If biden n dems wanted to fix it, they would have done so by now.. Sent from my SM-S928B using Tapatalk They will not fix it. The fix was stopped by Indian companies to exploit cheap labor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Thursday at 02:53 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:53 PM There is no right or wrong answer. Each decision is subjective and depends on the conditions prevelant at the time. In the 1950s the uk offered the best path to soldiers who fought in the second world war. In the 1990s techies found the usa to be the best avenue. To kids from haryana and punjab its all about canada cause they can find home away from home and become citizens.The 90s to early 00s cohort are a case in point. Got green cards on h1b before the system clogged up. But also are the first real wave to the usa who are seeing elderly parents in India struggling. Too old to fend for themselves.Their kids are fully American.Sent from my SM-S928B using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted Thursday at 02:55 PM Share Posted Thursday at 02:55 PM (edited) 12 minutes ago, gattaca said: I don’t know why Indians still leave India. India has lot of startups and companies. When I finished my bachelors I didn’t had a job so had to move. But now it is different. The life in these countries is selfish and not much great compared to what you are missing in India especially family. True. Most of my friends who stayed back at the time when I left, all are doing much better career-wise as the growth potential is much better in India. They are as well-off or even better than my QoL . I think the rate at which people are leaving India might be lowest or those coming back is better than anytime in the past. Only Andhrites and Gujjus are desperate to come to USA, I think. Edited Thursday at 02:57 PM by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Thursday at 03:08 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:08 PM 25 minutes ago, G_B_ said: And with more indians coming to the usa via that path it will get more clogged with time.... Chinese in same boat. If biden n dems wanted to fix it, they would have done so by now.. Sent from my SM-S928B using Tapatalk 7% quota per country was created to maintain diversity. H1B was abused massively by some group of people in India with fake certificates, fake interviews. If they use first come first served rule 100% annual quota will be used by Indians alone. Even chinese will struggle. The real problem stems from the fact there is no proper H1B vetting. G_B_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted Thursday at 03:40 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:40 PM Its getting tighter as per polls.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Thursday at 04:07 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:07 PM 23 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Its getting tighter as per polls.. Trump is winning this. Democrats depend on turn outs. Israel issue will drive voters away from Democrats. So much so a muslim mayor has endorsed Trump. They have this imagination somehow Republicans will force Israel to stop the war in Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted Thursday at 04:18 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:18 PM 10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Trump is winning this. Democrats depend on turn outs. Israel issue will drive voters away from Democrats. So much so a muslim mayor has endorsed Trump. They have this imagination somehow Republicans will force Israel to stop the war in Gaza. 36 minutes ago, G_B_ said: Its getting tighter as per polls.. All depends if Kamala can hold on to Blue wall swing states - PA, MI and WI. If Trump gets either one of these 3 states, he will go past 272 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted Thursday at 04:19 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:19 PM (edited) Did early voting today!! @Laaloo Go early, hardly any crowd. It will take longer on Nov5th Edited Thursday at 04:20 PM by coffee_rules Laaloo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted Thursday at 04:30 PM Share Posted Thursday at 04:30 PM 8 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: All depends if Kamala can hold on to Blue wall swing states - PA, MI and WI. If Trump gets either one of these 3 states, he will go past 272 . Biden beat Trump in Michigan by 154000 votes or so. This was when Trump had mishandled COVID and he was indicted. Now with muslim votes alone 150000. That number will go down this time for Kamala. There are many Indians not happy with how they handled Israel conflict. THey won't vote. Even blacks are divided on this issue. So chunk of votes will be lost. If she loses to some third party candidate she can squeak through. Imagine half those votes go to Trump. Besides Kamala's popularity has never been measured truly. Last time she exited way early. This time came through back door. It is going to be a perfect storm for her. Above all a woman will never be elected in USA as president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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