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Chaos Grand Master

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15 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

You can dodge the question all you wish, but appeal to authority is not a valid argument when it comes to logic. Indian embassy saying OFR is reputed by global media doesnt matter, since it doesnt have any reputation from accountability. I asked for reputed sources that have had inputs in policy. past or present, doesnt matter. Show us a reputed think tank like Heritage foundation or CAP, who've had POLICY influence. You have not provided. 

Getting a bunch of people who have no input ever in forming policy doesnt qualify them for what they think and you are still dodging my question - which means you are not willing to entertain simple logic. 

Entertain what? U r too old and its very dangerous for heart at that age my friend

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Muloghonto Grand Master

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18 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Dumbass it is an Indian embassy website.

 

https://www.icwa.in/show_content.php?lang=1&level=1&ls_id=1586&lid=1555

 

This is ICWA website. India's first thinktank. ICWA has Vice President of India as the President and MEA minister as Vice President. iCWA lists ORF as one of the top think tanks in the country.

Dumbass, it doesnt matter. Indian embassy promotes plenty of random desi indian orgs as well.. What ICWA lists ORF is irrelevant, ORF's credibility has to rest on ITS OWN chops, not via some good PR from some other orgs. 
You an keep dodging the point and brnging in think tanks with no chops in policy, but they do not matter. I dont listen to think tanks who have no policy experience, sorry. You can, because you clearly are not smart enough to answer the basic question i asked you. Gimme ICWA analysis then, since ICWA satisfies my criteria of being a think tank with policy chops. 

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IndianRenegade Grand Master

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1 hour ago, ravishingravi said:

Must say that election process in the US does make me feel really good about India election and election commission. What a sham process this is with so many loopholes. 

what loopholes?

jigjig Veteran

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9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

I can't even use this election as a distraction as i am not fond of both candidates.

5th nov evening and 2 3 days post that are going to be fun

G_B_ Mentor

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I am just keen to see if Trump is being underpolled.

In 2020 trump and repubs underpolled. Biden was leading by 7 to 8% but nothing of that materialised.

In 2022 republican vote was overpolled (though they managed to take the house).

I see the Trump side and betting markets are more confident on a win.

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vvvslaxman Grand Master

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5th nov evening and 2 3 days post that are going to be fun

 

There won't be short any entertainment as Trump is already laying the groundwork for cheating claim just in case if he loses

G_B_ Mentor

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I feel the best outcome for India is if presidency senate and house are controlled by different parties.

For eg even if kamala wins i hope repubs control senate and house.

Vice versa if Trump wins hope dems win house and senate.

Absolute wins not good for India. Either party


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Chaos Grand Master

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Just now, G_B_ said:

I feel the best outcome for India is if presidency senate and house are controlled by different parties.

For eg even if kamala wins i hope repubs control senate and house.

Vice versa if Trump wins hope dems win house and senate.

Absolute wins not good for India. Either party


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No way we can give dems house n senate…they will eff the country up. Basically trump as president will be limited to executive order cuz nothing will pass house and senate :phehe:

vvvslaxman Grand Master

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I always try to visit conservative and democrat forum to see what they truly feel. Some conservatives think Harris might win because of abortion issue. I am not sold on that. Let us see.

Muloghonto Grand Master

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On 11/2/2024 at 3:17 PM, Vicks57 said:

 

No point arguing with you. Good luck.

You cant answer my simple question. That is the truth. Rest is just cope to dodge my simple question. Good luck.

 

Muloghonto Grand Master

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6 hours ago, G_B_ said:

I am just keen to see if Trump is being underpolled.

In 2020 trump and repubs underpolled. Biden was leading by 7 to 8% but nothing of that materialised.

In 2022 republican vote was overpolled (though they managed to take the house).

I see the Trump side and betting markets are more confident on a win.

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Almost correct. The best case for India for last 30 years straight, has been a Republican president + Democrat Senate. 
Very few people know what the american system is, especially the americans. They make POTUS seem like an elected king for 4 years, but in reality, the POTUS has less power than PM of Canada/India/UK has in terms of INTERNAL LEGISLATION. ie, murrican president has far less power to affect murrican people themselves directly, than PM of India or Canada or UK or Oz or Japan etc. have for their people. This is because the POTUS is not part of the legislative like a PM is ( a PM is member of parliament. A potus is not member of senate or House of reps), is not often party leader ( PM is almost always, barring  few special scenarios like post Rajiv Gandhi India, in most nations, including UK,Canada, Oz,Japan, etc PM is often the leader of the party) and does not have ability to threaten to kick out party member for not following policy vote or be able to HIMSELF present his bill to the voting assembly.


However, the POTUS has far stronger power to affect phoren stuff than the PM can. See how many Potuses have done **** like 'its not war, its special military action' type of BS because they KNEW senate wont declare war and US constitution makes it mandatory for senate to declare war for USA to be officially at war. 

In the abovementioned countries, the same thing that makes PM powerful for internal stuf, is the same thing that makes him far LESS powerful to go deal with xyz nation - he STILL has to pass bills in the parliament to go do any special action or boots on the ground or trade deal stuff. 

 

This means, for us, we want a POTUS who is less likely to mess with India's internal dynamics + help India's enemies but be hamstrung by a hostile Senate, so they cannot do anything too drastic either way- which suits us just fine. 

This, for the last 30+ years is the combo of a Republican potus + democrat senate with thin majority and that is pretty correlational to the US policy shifts towards  India,China,Pakistan & Russia with the various combos we can have every 2 years ( since Senate is staggered, every 2 years the combo of rep/dem prez + rep/dem senate is subject to potential change). 

 

 

Why are republican presidents more preferrable than democrat presidents ? simply because republican presidents have been much harsher towards Pakistan than democrat ones, one of our arch-nemesis and less  Russia-focussed than democrat ones. Democrat party has a more obvious 'India = Pakistan, equal equal' foreign policy, which distinctly is less preferrable to us. this is the tried and tested post cold war pattern, which has a 30+ year dataset for us now to evaluate, making it a fairly robust trend (if there is one, which as we see, there is). 

 

Whith arrival of trump, this has hit the sweet spot, because Trump has a crush on Putin,making him Russia-friendly, which is an improvement from 'less focussed on Russia' and he is the *MOST* anti-China Potus since Raegan, which is soney-pe-suhaaga. 

 

These are objective facts of basic foreign policy, easily verifiable by anyone with access to the internet or a library and these conclusions are obvious. If there is a so-called think tank that cannot explain this angle to their advantage and STILL push the narrative that a democrat prez is better for india than a republican one, they are flat out lying to you and peddling propaganda. Its just that simple. 

 

 

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