US 2024 Elections

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Nothing was proven in 2020, that Ifet. But the explanations given in the article for additional 15 million votes is all looking like conspiracy theory. Likely not voted, independents, voted for Trump etc. Need to analyze this issue in the presence of new data - polled votes in 24 looks closer to 16, but 2020 has too many votes in total!!

 

Shifts in vote totals from election to election do not signal fraud, experts said

 

 

In PA there wre more turn out in 2024. In New york significant decline.  Protest votes. I am a moderate centrist. Even i wrote a name in. Imagine the far left. THey could not bring themselves to vote for Kamala harris.  California 37% of votes yet to be counted. Just using numbers 1+1=1 is just conspiracy theory. These simpleton theories were debunked by trump's own appointees last election. Just repeating the same lie again and again won't make it true. 

Edited November 9, 2024 by vvvslaxman

[coffee_rules]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

In PA there wre more turn out in 2024. In New york significant decline.  California 37% of votes yet to be counted. Just using numbers 1+1=1 is just conspiracy theory. These simpleton theories were debunked by trump's own appointees last election. Just repeating the same lie again and again won't make it true. 

Again you go back to last election. No problem with last election in 20. I guess fresh investigation on missing 15 million votes , apparently who did not turn up as 24 data is similar to 20.  As I said , still counting , will wait for final numbers before blowing my head off

[coffee_rules]

This is even more funny. The missing 20 million votes is not a RW conspiracy theory, but coming from leftists 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, coffee_rules said:

Again you go back to last election. No problem with last election in 20. I guess fresh investigation on missing 15 million votes , apparently who did not turn up as 24 data is similar to 20.  As I said , still counting , will wait for final numbers before blowing my head off

 

In deep blue states many did not turn out. Pennsylvania this time more votes were casted. She lost popular votes because of that. Let us see how much the turnout is in california. If she is bleeding there as well (her own state) it won't be a surprise she had more protest votes in other blue states. 

For the last 6  or 7 months there were several democrats carrying the hoarding that said "Killer Kamala" "Genocide Jo". 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

2 hours ago, G_B_ said:

 

See a delta of 2 million can be explained.

 

How do you go from 65 million for hillary to 85 million for biden in 2020 to  65 million for kamala in 8 years? 

 

You look at trump in 2016, 2020 and 2024 he has steadily increased his votes in millions.

 

I am not even a republican or live in the usa. 

 

He went down 3 mill between 2020 and 2024. How is that increasing?

 

Kamala did not excite the Dem base. Simple as that.

 

It is ridiculous to think that the Republicans somehow suppressed the vote in 2016 and 2024. That is just left-wing bunkum.

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

This is even more funny. The missing 20 million votes is not a RW conspiracy theory, but coming from leftists 

 

 

 

This is just hilarious and par for the course for far left conspiracy theorists.

 

Remember before Covid 19, it was the fringe left that indulged in the most unhinged conspiratorial thinking.

Vaccines cause autism.

Big Pharma is out to kill people.

Fluoride is dangerous.

GMOs are poison.

 

And basically everything that came out of Michael Moore's mouth, especially his his 911 conspiracies. 

 

Remember also that RFK was an extreme left-wing nut-jobs. Joe Rogan was another left-winger.

 

Covid 19 did something unparalleled. It married left and right fringes into one unit. Like Bernie and Trump became one person.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

 

Trump is gonna help Netanyahu raze down entire Gaza now.

 

Democrats will find it tough if they keep pandering to Israel. But then again, there is no choice. Problem is a lot of voters in democrats know a lot more about Israel-Palestine thanks to the internet and they want to support the Palestinians.

 

In many deep blue states it was a no show from them. Imagine a democrate guy won 12% gap with women vote while a democrat women won just 7% gap with women against Trump. That is alarming.

[vvvslaxman]

One of the classic case is Rashida Tlaib was censured by house for supporting palestine. She is a patlestinian. Look at the results 

 

In Dearborn, Rashida Tlaib Did Nearly Twice as Well as Kamala Harris

 

 

https://theintercept.com/2024/11/06/dearborn-michigan-rashida-tlaib-kamala-harris-gaza/

 

@Vicks57

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, Vicks57 said:

RFK Jr is a nut.

 

https://theconversation.com/if-trump-puts-rfk-jr-in-charge-of-health-get-ready-for-a-distorted-reality-where-global-health-suffers-243152

 

"For instance, after Kennedy and his anti-vaccine organisation visited Samoa in 2019, the deaths of two children were falsely attributed to the measles vaccination. Vaccination rates in Samoa plummeted to 31% (half the previous rate) and a subsequent measles outbreak killed 83 people."

 

Lol man has a anti-vaccine organisation and he is going to head Department of Health and Human Services, God save America.

 

@BacktoCricaddict I didn't know RFK Jr was this much of a nut lol

I hope Trump shows his true colors and dumps the guy after using him. 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

One of the classic case is Rashida Tlaib was censured by house for supporting palestine. She is a patlestinian. Look at the results 

 

In Dearborn, Rashida Tlaib Did Nearly Twice as Well as Kamala Harris

 

 

https://theintercept.com/2024/11/06/dearborn-michigan-rashida-tlaib-kamala-harris-gaza/

 

@Vicks57

 

 

Good point. Lots of partial voting even in NC. 

[G_B_]

4 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Right wing conspiracy theories are unparalleled. Just whinging without any proof without going into voter turnout.  Several law suits filed several countings done. But redumblicans keep on parroting the same old conspiracy theory. THey certainly deserved to win this time as Dems failed several people. But saying they lost due to rigged election is the languag eof ultimate sore losers

 

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-check-trumps-2024-win-doesnt-prove-claims-that-the-2020-election-was-stolen

 

Trump will commission an official inquest...thats for sure. I am sure they will get their hands on classified info. 

 

Dems averaged in the 50 millions in 2000s, 60 million in 2010s. 81 million is an abberration. 

 

Kamala harris has won all the states in which no voter id was required. This is a fact. Multiple democracies in the world require voter ids. These range from Australia to Germany. I dont know why dems deem this to be such a taboo subject?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, G_B_ said:

 

Trump will commission an official inquest...thats for sure. I am sure they will get their hands on classified info. 

 

Dems averaged in the 50 millions in 2000s, 60 million in 2010s. 81 million is an abberration. 

 

Kamala harris has won all the states in which no voter id was required. This is a fact. Multiple democracies in the world require voter ids. These range from Australia to Germany. I dont know why dems deem this to be such a taboo subject?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Voter suppression is real. Republicans are known for these sneaky voter suppression tactics, that is why each state has different system. This has been the system for decades. ONly guys who got caught trying to do duplicate voting was Trump voter. Actually Trump encouraged them to vote twice lol  One by mail, one by person.  I am not sure why Republicans try to reduce 

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/trump-encourages-supporters-to-try-to-vote-twice-sparking-uproar-idUSKBN25U2FX/

 

 

Republican voter suppression is real. Not sure why right wing doesn't get this. All new voters have to come with id in all the states. Who said there is no voter id required?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_efforts_to_restrict_voting_following_the_2020_presidential_election

 

Regarding your " IT is fact"  It is proven false by 

 

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-kamala-harris-win-only-where-voter-id-isnt-necessary-1982932

 

 

The desperation is comical. 

 

Low income people, disabled people, colored people,  students have difficult getting voter id. Those who were born and brought up here.  It disenfranchises voters. About 11% eligible voters do no have ids. But they do some kind of verification. Atlesat try to understand why it is this way. Orange head and his crazy right wing nut jobs started gaslighting. Till then it was not an issue.

 

[BacktoCricaddict]

29 minutes ago, G_B_ said:

Kamala harris has won all the states in which no voter id was required

False. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/voter-identification-states-law-map-rcna137555

 

NV and PA did not require Voter ID for 2024. Trump won them both quite handily.

 

In 2024, they both voted for voter ID, so they will require it in the future.

Edited November 9, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict

[BacktoCricaddict]

15 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

About 11% eligible voters do no have ids. But they do some kind of verification.

I am all for voter ID as long as they can provide each and every citizen with one for free and deliver it to them on government dollars. Otherwise it is an elitist idea.

[vvvslaxman]

19 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I am all for voter ID as long as they can provide each and every citizen with one for free and deliver it to them on government dollars. Otherwise it is an elitist idea.

 

Yes it is practically impossible to implement this without disenfranchising millions of voters.  Republicans know it too. 

[Austin 3:!6]

6 hours ago, Vicks57 said:

@Austin 3:!6 why was chaos banned and not mologhonto?

We are not suppose to discuss bans openly but action has been taken against both the posters. Any question, pls PM any mods or admins. 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Voter suppression is real.

 

Republican voter suppress real. 
 

The desperation is comical. 

 

Low income people, disabled people, colored people,  students have difficult getting voter id. Those who were born and brought up here.  It disenfranchises voters. About 11% eligible voters do no have ids. But they do some kind of verification. Atlesat try to understand why it is this way. Orange head and his crazy right wing nut jobs started gaslighting. Till then it was not an issue.

 

You claim voter suppression is real without any qualifying data. How? 
 

They register with some document proof, let them get that

[ravishingravi]

6 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

He went down 3 mill between 2020 and 2024. How is that increasing?

 

Kamala did not excite the Dem base. Simple as that.

 

It is ridiculous to think that the Republicans somehow suppressed the vote in 2016 and 2024. That is just left-wing bunkum.

 

Excite the base is conjecture. Let's look at some more facts, qualitative and quantitative. 

 

This was an election with record turnout by all major pollsters. 

Democrat vote ranged between 59mn and 69mn for 5 previous elections including Obama. Yeah so it could be that that Biden excited the base in the middle of pandemic. 

Going back to 1992. 

So in the spirit of scientific temper, I would like to understand why the numbers were up for both democrat and Republican. Democrat up 20% and republican up 5% ( which is a lot ). 

 

Fun stuff will begin if there is break down of which specific states had record turnout. Perhaps I will compute it myself. 2020 vs 2024. 

[ravishingravi]

As an auditor, if you see major spike or fall in numbers over 40 year history and the only explanation is that its a one off, you know you have hit the BS part of the story. Better explanation needed.

[ravishingravi]