ravishingravi Posted November 10, 2024 Author Share Posted November 10, 2024 1 minute ago, coffee_rules said: She had 1 bil, went over 20 mil, looking for donors to pay out vendors and staff. this is like RaGa and Congress. This is insane. It's a good thing they bought out legacy media except fox. USD 500Mn vs USD 10Mn on staff. Insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted November 10, 2024 Author Share Posted November 10, 2024 Dems have to go for younger candidate. That's for sure. Not left wing nut but someone who is real. This short video shows that politics has changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted November 10, 2024 Author Share Posted November 10, 2024 Life imitates art imitates life .... Just unbelievable that someone has put this out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 Trump campaign was smart. They rejected traditional media, didn’t appear on major networks and hit all podcasts esp Joe Rogan. Future media or election campaigns are done using podcasts as nobody watches TV anymore. Most urban listen to music , tiktok or podcasts. 2029 BJP will also fall into this strategy. Austerity measures and use of new technology mishra, BacktoCricaddict, ravishingravi and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Trump campaign was smart. They rejected traditional media, didn’t appear on major networks and hit all podcasts esp Joe Rogan. Future media or election campaigns are done using podcasts as nobody watches TV anymore. Most urban listen to music , tiktok or podcasts. 2029 BJP will also fall into this strategy. Austerity measures and use of new technology Nah! people watch TV but they know that channels are campaign moth piece. TV debates have lost credibilty as host/network seem completely biased because of their political leanings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 (edited) 11 hours ago, ravishingravi said: Excite the base is conjecture. Let's look at some more facts, qualitative and quantitative. This was an election with record turnout by all major pollsters. Democrat vote ranged between 59mn and 69mn for 5 previous elections including Obama. Yeah so it could be that that Biden excited the base in the middle of pandemic. Going back to 1992. So in the spirit of scientific temper, I would like to understand why the numbers were up for both democrat and Republican. Democrat up 20% and republican up 5% ( which is a lot ). Fun stuff will begin if there is break down of which specific states had record turnout. Perhaps I will compute it myself. 2020 vs 2024. All easily explained: Quote https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/millions-of-missing-votes-2024-election/ The millions of "missing" votes weren't actually missing — they simply hadn't been counted yet. There is no national authority running elections in the United States. Instead, thousands of small, locally run elections take place simultaneously, based on rules set at the state level. Not all states have systems to quickly track and report election results, however. In place of the states, that work falls to The Associated Press, which has called U.S. elections for more than 170 years. In a series of articles before the 2024 election, the AP explained how the process works and how it predicts the outcome of an election before all of the votes have been reported. Immediately after polls close and workers begin counting the ballots, more than 4,000 AP reporters at county election offices across the country wait for the numbers to come in. Reporters then send the statistics to the AP's vote entry center, which also monitors state- and county-run election websites. Those numbers are constantly updated on the the AP's website as they come in, and the AP uses the results in combination with the state's voting history and other election statistics to determine whether a candidate has an insurmountable lead, even when there are still ballots to be counted. When the AP called the 2024 race for Trump, millions of ballots had not yet been counted. Snopes used the AP's data to calculate that as of noon Central Time on Nov. 7, two days after the election, more than 143 million ballots had been counted and reported across the nation, but there were still approximately 14.9 million ballots outstanding — about 10% of ballots had not been counted yet. Many of those were in California, which had an estimated 8.2 million ballots left to count. There were more than 1.1 million outstanding ballots in Arizona, 800,000 in Colorado, 750,000 in Washington, 650,000 in Maryland and 550,000 in Oregon. The AP reported that these states have high rates of mail-in voting, which takes longer to count. In addition, some states allow mail-in ballots postmarked before Election Day to arrive late. Because the outcome of a U.S. election can be called before every ballot has been counted a nd the vote totals immediately after the election are only preliminary, it's wise to refrain from making comparisons in overall voter turnout from one election to the next until the votes are all counted and the official totals are released by The Associated Press and the state election boards. Also, when you do your calculations, please be sure to account for population increases and voter registration increases. Just raw numbers will earn an incomplete grade. If I were you, I'd wait a few months before wasting time on the math - until all the ballots are counted. Edited November 10, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 (edited) 5 hours ago, G_B_ said: I think the question is has kamala picked up states with voter id needed? I can see its barely 1 or 2. Also Trump picked up 2 states where voter ID was not needed. Big, swing ones - NV and PA. The voter suppression conspiracy is just as crazy as the extra voter conspiracy. Yes, the Repubs do everything they can to put barriers to voting for poor people, but that is not necessarily concerted suppression. But if you want to institute IDs, make sure everyone gets one . On Govt's dime and transportation. PS: At least, I am glad that you accepted that KH won 1-2 states where ID was required, and that DJT won 1-2 where it was not. Some people still think those numbers are still zero :-)!! PPS: The easiest explanation is that all votes have not been counted. Edited November 10, 2024 by BacktoCricaddict Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 10 hours ago, ravishingravi said: As an auditor, if you see major spike or fall in numbers over 40 year history and the only explanation is that its a one off, you know you have hit the BS part of the story. Better explanation needed. The only explanation you will accept is the one you want to hear :-). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: So Trump was in power and Dems cheated Butwhen Biden is in power they forgot to cheat? This time, Lord Elon was watching :-) vvvslaxman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 4 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Also Trump picked up 2 states where voter ID was not needed. Big, swing ones - NV and PA. The voter suppression conspiracy is just as crazy as the extra voter conspiracy. Yes, the Repubs do everything they can to put barriers to voting for poor people, but that is not necessarily concerted suppression. But if you want to institute IDs, make sure everyone gets one . On Govt's dime and transportation. Voter suppression can be done many ways. There was a case for 850 counties where certain polling places where closed (like 750 polling places in Texas) where Latino, Black populations were high. As second article mentions ""Between 2012 and 2022, the United States lost 27,000 polling places, with the number of Election Day polling sites falling from an estimated 116,000 in 2012 to fewer than 89,000 in 2022." As the population increases you would think there would be more polling places. https://civilrights.org/democracy-diverted/ https://abc7chicago.com/post/vanishing-voting-sites-states-see-number-polling-places-decline-ahead-2024-election/15490043/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: Voter suppression can be done many ways. There was a case for 850 counties where certain polling places where closed (like 750 polling places in Texas) where Latino, Black populations were high. As second article mentions ""Between 2012 and 2022, the United States lost 27,000 polling places, with the number of Election Day polling sites falling from an estimated 116,000 in 2012 to fewer than 89,000 in 2022." As the population increases you would think there would be more polling places. https://civilrights.org/democracy-diverted/ https://abc7chicago.com/post/vanishing-voting-sites-states-see-number-polling-places-decline-ahead-2024-election/15490043/ Those are sneaky little local things, not a concerted effort to make Dem ballots just disappear. It does not amount to widespread fraud. In NC, they also re-drew congressional district lines and carved out more districts with low AA populations. It is legal to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 9 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Also Trump picked up 2 states where voter ID was not needed. Big, swing ones - NV and PA. The voter suppression conspiracy is just as crazy as the extra voter conspiracy. Yes, the Repubs do everything they can to put barriers to voting for poor people, but that is not necessarily concerted suppression. But if you want to institute IDs, make sure everyone gets one . On Govt's dime and transportation. Don’t we produce some document during voter registration? DL or state Iid or utility bill, bank statement, rent slip , etc ., each county has its list of documents , they can bring that for voter ID. Even a sample ballot mailed to each voter would do. Why do we make so many excuses for the poor? They are poor , not stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 Most recent one is Vivek ramaswamy's suggestion. He said all voters have to pass civic exam in order to vote like immigrants taking it. Including natural born citizen. I am sure Trump will fail lol velu and coffee_rules 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 20 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: All easily explained: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/millions-of-missing-votes-2024-election/ Also, when you do your calculations, please be sure to account for population increases and voter registration increases. Just raw numbers will earn an incomplete grade. What a f^cked up system of counting! It might take months to get final tally. Meanwhile people will get on streets and claim stolen election and what not. Just count it sooner, lazy mucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Most recent one is Vivek ramaswamy's suggestion. He said all voters have to pass civic exam in order to vote like immigrants taking it. Including natural born citizen. I am sure Trump will fail lol I also hate it that convicted felons can ... ya know ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 1 minute ago, BacktoCricaddict said: Those are sneaky little local things, not a concerted effort to make Dem ballots just disappear. It does not amount to widespread fraud. In NC, they also re-drew congressional district lines and carved out more districts with low AA populations. It is legal to do so. Not fraud. I say it slowly takes away votes. Bit like gerrymandering. Both parties do this. But recently democrats gained 1.7 seats . Republicans 13.2 states. Restricting. It impacts balance of power in the congress. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/01/who-gerrymanders-more-democrats-or-republicans/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Most recent one is Vivek ramaswamy's suggestion. He said all voters have to pass civic exam in order to vote like immigrants taking it. Including natural born citizen. I am sure Trump will fail lol Or at least name who is on the ballot! Kamala had name recognition problem , when people are still searching if Biden is running, if you believe what the networks reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 4 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Don’t we produce some document during voter registration? DL or state Iid or utility bill, bank statement, rent slip , etc ., each county has its list of documents , they can bring that for voter ID. Even a sample ballot mailed to each voter would do. Why do we make so many excuses for the poor? They are poor , not stupid. They are not stupid, Anna. But, in speaking with homeless people, or people who are working multiple jobs to keep food on the table, or my students whose families lost everything in a natural disaster, I have come to realize that things we take for granted are not a given for millions. The federal govt has to facilitate even basic things. Maybe the thing to do is to take a picture during registration, and then when you show up to vote, scan your face and use AI to match. That way, the burden of ID'ing is shifted to the govt and not the voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BacktoCricaddict Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said: Not fraud. I say it slowly takes away votes. Bit like gerrymandering. Both parties do this. But recently democrats gained 1.7 seats . Republicans 13.2 states. Restricting. It impacts balance of power in the congress. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/01/who-gerrymanders-more-democrats-or-republicans/ It does. But it is not fraud, nor is it illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vvvslaxman Posted November 10, 2024 Share Posted November 10, 2024 These are the conspiracy theories that led to insurrection. Trump's own appointees conducted investigation. Some of them who voted for Trump were responsible for overseeing these polling places. Trump called Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger ( republicans who voted for Trump ) and asked him "Find me 10000 votes" Imagine a sitting president doing this. https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/fact-check-trumps-georgia-call-raffensperger These conspiracy theorists did a very funny thing last election. In one places they go "stop the count" In another place they go "count the votes" Vicks57 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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