Kohli - Greatest player in white-ball cricket!!!

[deathmonger]

Kohli, Dhoni, SRT, Rohit - all four are top 10 odi batsmen

[mikeypbadana86]

10 hours ago, gattaca said:

India got lucky it was South Africa not Australia. His knock would have lost India the cup. He waited till he finished his 50 and went after bowling. Axar and dube had better strike rate than him. We were 15 runs short on this wicket. Klassen chocked and got out wrong time when they needed 30 of 30 with 6 wickets in hand. Anyone who says he says his knock won India should introspect. We were only 4 wickets down till 17th over he could have started hitting in 15th over but delayed. We weren’t collapsing after 15 th over if they use collapse as excuse.

stop being biased. 2011 World Cup final win against was an average Srilankan team ? The heavy dew helped india with the srilankar spinners not getting any help(Muttiah muralidharan said this) . Does this undermine Dhonis knock?  You can have any stupid theory to support your argument if that's the case.

 

We were 15 runs short on this wicket. Yes. You have hardik,dbue and jadeja  playing in the final over which should have been 20 over instead India scores 9 runs. India was at least short of 2 six hits in the final over with dube/jadeja both getting out.

 

Anyone who says he says his knock won India should introspect.

we were 5/3 in 2019 ODI semis, a slow knock like kohli through out the innings with out further wickets would have helped India but was not to be. 

 

 

We were only 4 wickets down till 17th over he could have started hitting in 15th over but delayed.

 

Bullshit. Check average score on this ground. Ind vs AFG match the score was 184. 180 is par score on this. Kohlis knock is absolutely fine. Check hitmans knock in semis in ENG who also had similar strike rate.

 

We weren’t collapsing after 15 th over if they use collapse as excuse.

How do you know? Did South Africa not collapse after 15th? Kohli was ensuring we do not repeat of 2014 t20 World Cup final where yuvraj was 11 off 21 and india finished at 30 with 30 runs off last 5. His presence ensured we got the par score of 177.

 

Why are you not talking about 24 runs from Akshar Patel which got South Africa back in the game? when India was 35/3 in power play, Kohli did remarkable steering India to close to 180.

 

[mikeypbadana86]

On 6/29/2024 at 1:39 PM, R!TTER said:

Well would you mind if someone reminds you that he was "stat padding" in SF vs NZ then? That was the worst or second worst Innings from us that game!

It's no secret that kohli is not at his peak. 100 % strike rate in semis or ODI's is never bad. If Kohli scored like KL Rahul in final (66 off 105 balls), you can accuse him of stat padding. 

Edited July 2, 2024 by mikeypbadana86

[singhvivek141]

11 hours ago, putrevus said:

SRT is not even in the same ball park as Kohli in whiteball cricket as batsman.

 

Kohli was always miles ahead.Kohli's game is perfect for 50 overs. Even with his 3 year drought Kohli showed why he is GOAT in Nov 2023.

Bro...Kohli has been a legend in white ball but let's not compare with Sachin atleast.

Yeah, Sachin was a burden post 2011 WC..and even from 2004-06/07 he was on off multiple times. But from 1996-2002/03 he was the numero uno.

 

People often talk about how Kohli had to bat for years without support. Sachin had faced that for longer time with an even mediocre bowling attack. Despite of that, Sachin average 44 in ODI with and SR of 86...something which even Ricky Ponting or Lara couldn't achieve..despite them being called as more destructive than Sachin by the media houses.

 

Sachin, just like Sunil sir & Kapil Paaji is a legend at a different level. He did to Olonga what Kohli did to Kesrick Williams...smashed Damien Fleming & Shane Warne out of the park. Smashed Abdul Qadir to oblivion at an age of 18 itself. 

When someone like Bradman compares himself with Sachin, its gotta mean something.

[Lord]

13 hours ago, deathmonger said:

Kohli, Dhoni, SRT, Rohit - all four are top 10 odi batsmen

 

Don't forget Yuvi. Quite underrated on this forum

[gattaca]

5 hours ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

stop being biased. 2011 World Cup final win against was an average Srilankan team ? The heavy dew helped india with the srilankar spinners not getting any help(Muttiah muralidharan said this) . Does this undermine Dhonis knock?  You can have any stupid theory to support your argument if that's the case.

 

We were 15 runs short on this wicket. Yes. You have hardik,dbue and jadeja  playing in the final over which should have been 20 over instead India scores 9 runs. India was at least short of 2 six hits in the final over with dube/jadeja both getting out.

 

Anyone who says he says his knock won India should introspect.

we were 5/3 in 2019 ODI semis, a slow knock like kohli through out the innings with out further wickets would have helped India but was not to be. 

 

 

We were only 4 wickets down till 17th over he could have started hitting in 15th over but delayed.

 

Bullshit. Check average score on this ground. Ind vs AFG match the score was 184. 180 is par score on this. Kohlis knock is absolutely fine. Check hitmans knock in semis in ENG who also had similar strike rate.

 

We weren’t collapsing after 15 th over if they use collapse as excuse.

How do you know? Did South Africa not collapse after 15th? Kohli was ensuring we do not repeat of 2014 t20 World Cup final where yuvraj was 11 off 21 and india finished at 30 with 30 runs off last 5. His presence ensured we got the par score of 177.

 

Why are you not talking about 24 runs from Akshar Patel which got South Africa back in the game? when India was 35/3 in power play, Kohli did remarkable steering India to close to 180.

 

What was the need for run a ball fifty ? While others were going at better rate. Kohli is never suited for t20s he was taking singles against SA spinners while kuldeep and axar were getting hit out of the park. Least he could have looked for fours. That was a selfish knock the big question is why did he go after bowling after 50 ? He delayed the acceleration. Stop being a fan of player and think about it. South Africa collapsed because they are chokers and were chasing. You were asking about axar why you are not asking about kuldeep and Jadeja ? This wicket was graveyard for spinners. Kohli took singles of spinners.

[mikeypbadana86]

7 hours ago, gattaca said:

What was the need for run a ball fifty ? While others were going at better rate. Kohli is never suited for t20s he was taking singles against SA spinners while kuldeep and axar were getting hit out of the park. Least he could have looked for fours. That was a selfish knock the big question is why did he go after bowling after 50 ? He delayed the acceleration. Stop being a fan of player and think about it. South Africa collapsed because they are chokers and were chasing. You were asking about axar why you are not asking about kuldeep and Jadeja ? This wicket was graveyard for spinners. Kohli took singles of spinners.

35/3 with rohit. surya and pant gone, this was a right approach.  Check Quinton de-cocks innings of 37 (scored off 32 balls). Check strike rate of rohit/surya in Semis. Kohl's strike rate at the end in the final  is matching rohit/surya 's strike rate in semi final.  We should be happy for the team and not do a grudging postmortem of cornering players with vested agenda of ifs and buts...........My argument rests here.  Still enjoying Indias World Cup victory.

[gattaca]

2 minutes ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

35/3 with rohit. surya and pant gone, this was a right approach.  Check Quinton de-cocks innings of 37 (scored off 32 balls). Check strike rate of rohit/surya in Semis. Kohl's strike rate at the end in the final  is matching rohit/surya 's strike rate in semi final.  We should be happy for the team and not do a grudging postmortem of cornering players with vested agenda of ifs and buts...........My argument rests here.  Still enjoying Indias World Cup victory.

Kohli approach should be questioned why did he play run a ball fifty and then tried to go after bowling. It was repeat of 2022 t20 WC semifinal. He scored similarly while pandya scored at 190 strike rate and scored 66 of 30 balls. This approach knocked us out of 2022 WC. If you don’t analyze we never improve. 

[goose]

still tendulkar. lots of kohli's peers can do what he does or did. he needed to his 2016 form to last 5 years for me to change my mind

[putrevus]

Kohli is undisputed king of whiteball cricket.Tendulkar is not even close to him.

 

It is not even a comparision. Next question.

 

 

 

[putrevus]

15 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Bro...Kohli has been a legend in white ball but let's not compare with Sachin atleast.

Yeah, Sachin was a burden post 2011 WC..and even from 2004-06/07 he was on off multiple times. But from 1996-2002/03 he was the numero uno.

 

People often talk about how Kohli had to bat for years without support. Sachin had faced that for longer time with an even mediocre bowling attack. Despite of that, Sachin average 44 in ODI with and SR of 86...something which even Ricky Ponting or Lara couldn't achieve..despite them being called as more destructive than Sachin by the media houses.

 

Sachin, just like Sunil sir & Kapil Paaji is a legend at a different level. He did to Olonga what Kohli did to Kesrick Williams...smashed Damien Fleming & Shane Warne out of the park. Smashed Abdul Qadir to oblivion at an age of 18 itself. 

When someone like Bradman compares himself with Sachin, its gotta mean something.

Bradman did not compare himself , He said he played like him. 

 

Sachin was never better than Kohli at any stage of his career in odis. That is the greatness of Kohli. 

 

 

[Vilander]

On 6/29/2024 at 3:25 PM, Cricketics said:

 

Arrives final, and the man delivered. Retiring at the right moment. Best way to leave the format. 

 

This. He proved he is a great player indeed going at the top fighting. Hope he does it next in odi. 

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

Bradman did not compare himself , He said he played like him. 

 

Sachin was never better than Kohli at any stage of his career in odis. That is the greatness of Kohli. 

 

 

How do you measure who was better ?

Just wanted to understand that from your POV.

[DeepSpace]

Kohli has to stick his tongue out as far he possibly can to get drop of Tendu’s ball sweat!

[Muloghonto]

4 hours ago, putrevus said:

Kohli is undisputed king of whiteball cricket.Tendulkar is not even close to him.

 

It is not even a comparision. Next question.

 

 

 

I'd rate both Tendulkar and Viv to be better than Kohli in white ball cricket. 
The reason is obvious - while Kohli *can* claim to be in the same league of batsmen as Viv and tendy ( who both maintained an ODI average several notches above the next-best guys,Tendy especially after his slow start of first 75 matches or so), Kohli, simply put, isnt fit to carry Viv's jockstraps at fielding & Tendy was a far safer catcher than Virat. Add in the invaluable 5th/6th bowler contributions- and both Tendy & Viv were some of the best 5th bowler options in the world at their times ( Viv was probably the best 5th bowler guy in limited overs cricket for a lot of the time he played, at least till hooper arrived and became a better bowler than Viv and except for Jayasurya, Kallis & Cronje, i cant think of a better 5th bowler than Tendy during his time). 

So overall, Viv and Tendy offer more value than Kohli as limited overs players. 

 

If i were to rate them, it'd be like this: 

 

Viv : Batting : 9.5, Bowling: 4.5, Fielding: 8

Tendy: Batting: 9, Bowling : 4, Fielding: 7

Kohli : Batting: 9.5, Bowling: 0, Fielding: 5

[Kron]

8 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

I'd rate both Tendulkar and Viv to be better than Kohli in white ball cricket. 
The reason is obvious - while Kohli *can* claim to be in the same league of batsmen as Viv and tendy ( who both maintained an ODI average several notches above the next-best guys,Tendy especially after his slow start of first 75 matches or so), Kohli, simply put, isnt fit to carry Viv's jockstraps at fielding & Tendy was a far safer catcher than Virat. Add in the invaluable 5th/6th bowler contributions- and both Tendy & Viv were some of the best 5th bowler options in the world at their times ( Viv was probably the best 5th bowler guy in limited overs cricket for a lot of the time he played, at least till hooper arrived and became a better bowler than Viv and except for Jayasurya, Kallis & Cronje, i cant think of a better 5th bowler than Tendy during his time). 

So overall, Viv and Tendy offer more value than Kohli as limited overs players. 

 

If i were to rate them, it'd be like this: 

 

Viv : Batting : 9.5, Bowling: 4.5, Fielding: 8

Tendy: Batting: 9, Bowling : 4, Fielding: 7

Kohli : Batting: 9.5, Bowling: 0, Fielding: 5

I swear Jayasuriya got more turn than jaddu in LOI lmaooooo

[putrevus]

 

16 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

How do you measure who was better ?

Just wanted to understand that from your POV.

Kohli game is built on risk free cricket while mainting 90 plus SR on any given day plus he is the greatest chaser while avergaing of 15 runs better. He

 

He can play at any style , That is why he has fastest 100 by an Indian batsman.Kohli will avg same with same strike rate in any era against any bowling attack.

 

 Sachin best year 1998, he avg 65  in 34 matches while Kohli doubled his avg and scored  nearly 1250 runs in just 14 innings at insane avg of 133.

 

It is not like sample size of Kohli is small, he has scored more 100s than Sachin in less than 160 matches. That too after going thru a drought of 3 plus years unlike any other batsman.

 

 

I have seen both of them. Sachin is not even in the same ball park as Kohli.

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

I have seen both of them. Sachin is not even in the same ball park as Kohli.

 

 

 

What a moronic statement. It's one thing saying I think Kohli's better coz XYZ... and then you have folks like these who make statements like these 

 

If Tendulkar is not even the same ball park as Kohli, they must be playing different sports. I'm sure the poster also thinks Kohli's **** doesn't smell  

[singhvivek141]

8 hours ago, putrevus said:

 

Kohli game is built on risk free cricket while mainting 90 plus SR on any given day plus he is the greatest chaser while avergaing of 15 runs better. He

 

He can play at any style , That is why he has fastest 100 by an Indian batsman.Kohli will avg same with same strike rate in any era against any bowling attack.

 

 Sachin best year 1998, he avg 65  in 34 matches while Kohli doubled his avg and scored  nearly 1250 runs in just 14 innings at insane avg of 133.

 

It is not like sample size of Kohli is small, he has scored more 100s than Sachin in less than 160 matches. That too after going thru a drought of 3 plus years unlike any other batsman.

 

 

I have seen both of them. Sachin is not even in the same ball park as Kohli.

 

During Sachin's era, how many batters used to avg 40 plus and had SR of 80 plus ?

Ricky Ponting avg 42 & SR of 80

Brian Lara avg 40, SR 80

Inzamam avg 39.5, SR 74

Kallis avg 44, SR 73

Jayasuria avg 32, SR 91

Collingwood avg 35, SR 77

Smith avg 38, SR 80

Hayden avg 44, SR 79

Gilchrist avg 36, SR 96

 

You can clearly see that one has to compromise of SR to have a better avg & vice versa. 

 

Sachin on other hand had avg of 45 & SR of 86, best of both worlds. Even the logic of openers having an advantage doesn't hold true as none of the openers had such a super avg & SR.

 

In comparison in today's era we have

Babar Azam averaging 57 & SR of 89

Rohit Sharma avg 49, SR 91

Travis Head avg 42, SR 102

Jos Buttler avg 40, SR 117

Jason Roy avg 40, SR 105

QDK avg 46, SR 97

Warner avg 45, SR 97

Kohli avg 59, SR 93

 

Run making has become easy. If someone say that QDK is a better batsman than Greame Smith or Head is better than Gilchrist or Nissanka is better than Jayasuria or Babar & Rizwan are better than Inzi, Younis or Yohanna in ODI's then I have no purpose in debating.

 

That's why you can't say just on basis of avg than Kohli is better than Sachin...Sachins career has spanned for 2 decades. He has faced the era when even a freaking Zimbabwe was competitive unlike the today's Zimbabwe who are just there for the numbers.

Edited July 2, 2024 by singhvivek141

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

If someone say that QDK is a better batsman than Greame Smith or Head is better than Gilchrist or Nissanka is better than Jayasuria or Babar & Rizwan are better than Inzi, Younis or Yohanna in ODI's then I have no purpose in debating.

 

 

Why are you so insular?