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10 hours ago, Lord said:

 

lol you were also criticising his knock in the match thread. Accelerated way too late.

 

176 was not above par. We won due to SA choke and Bumrah

I was criticizing his knock before 50 too but he did open up and scored in last two overs.No one is saying he was great, but he made sure, India had a total to defend.

 

Making him an opener was biggest mistake. As soon as wickets fell ,he reverted back to building a partnership putting his ego aside and letting Axar also out hit him.

 

If Axar does not bowl there, India had plenty of runs.,it was a major mistake by Rohit.He first gave Kuldeep in PP and kept feeding spinners to Klassan.That is not Kohli's fault.

 

Spinners leaked over 12 RPO and Pandya does not bowl his quota of overs. How is it Kohli's fault.

 

Bumrah was played with ease in 16th over by Klassan.If Pandya does not get Klassan, India was not winning the match.So Bumrah bowled great but he was not only reason why India won yesterday.

 

This nonsense that India won inspite of him is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, nevada said:

He was out of sorts for a long time but scored a few big hits in the end to make up for it. We were at serious risk of an Afghan style collapse. He prevented that and took us to a competitive score. I thought he played a good innings in the context of the game and occasion. Sure, it would have been nice if he scored 10-12 more but it's okay, T20 is all about everyone doing their bit and the others stepped up to win the game for us. 

This situation was tailor-made for his batting mindset and skill-set. And he delivered the repairs. I only wish he had been a bit more aggressive after the repairs were made, but overall, it was a great knock.

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8 hours ago, mani sha said:

Jaiswal has blasted away opponents . Look at recent test series . Look at recent t20 . 
 

Jaiswal is like Rohit.  A generational talent.  

Kohli is not an opener . He stole his spot by seniority culture in team . 
 

u may not have been watching how well India has been playin t20 last one year . 80 percent win record. Jaiswal and rinku have been our match winners. It’s sad that rinku didn’t even get to be in squad though he had earned it . 
 

It’s toxic work culture . But Indians are foolish . History will repeat itself 

I am watching cricket since stone ages, i.e 1995. Young kohli was not part of every India's ICC tournament initially, it took him 3 years to make his debut in t20 in 2012 when he first played in 2009.

Yes Jaiswal is a natural opener. what are the odds, he would have steered India from 35/3 to 180 par score in a World Cup final? Do not BS comparing raw talent with big match temperament. 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, mikeypbadana86 said:

I am watching cricket since stone ages, i.e 1995. Young kohli was not part of every India's ICC tournament initially, it took him 3 years to make his debut in t20 in 2012 when he first played in 2009.

Yes Jaiswal is a natural opener. what are the odds, he would have steered India from 35/3 to 180 par score in a World Cup final? Do not BS comparing raw talent with big match temperament. 

 

 

Kohli didn't really steer away. If axar didnt hit a six every over, we would have struggled to get to 150.

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1 hour ago, Laaloo said:

Kohli didn't really steer away. If axar didnt hit a six every over, we would have struggled to get to 150.

did Dhoni alone win 2011 World Cup final or it was gambhir who has put a show of 97......Young kohli too had a contribution of 35 runs..

 

As per your argument, Kohli should have attacked more. If two batters are attacking, there is a chance both of them could get out as it happened in the case of rohit/pant and suryaklumar Yadav. All were going for their shorts. Kohli batted through with 130 strike rate.....he built partnership with axar dube.

 

Klasen batted at higher strike rate but could not build a partnership.

 

As an Indian/sachin fan, why are you whining about India winning? what's the grudge? Did Sachin contribute any in 2011 final? Sachin was dropped 4 times in 2011 semi final. Would India have won the semis, had sachin been not dropped?

 

Ifs and buts have no meaning? if axar was out, We had pandya coming up. So your argument of India might have been ending up at 150 is pointless. It's the same kohli who scored 26 off 8 runs in 2022 against arch rivals ...he has the game. If kohli got out cheaply being aggressive, we would have been bundled out for 130....

 

Enjoy Indias win, don't be cynical of grudgingly wanting kohli or any one else to fail.

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1 hour ago, Laaloo said:

Kohli didn't really steer away. If axar didnt hit a six every over, we would have struggled to get to 150.

It's like saying bumrah did not do any thing. It's pandya who got us into the game removing klasen. Pandya has set the game, bumrah finished it.

 

Similarly axar has set the game for India, Kohli finished the target in Indias favor.

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India won the tournament and Virat retired. This is called being unhappy even with a win. What's the point of a 27 ball 52 when you were not able to take your team over the line? Everyone did their job and at the end of the day we lifted the trophy. Now you want to keep raising threads to further your agenda, i comes across as really toxic. Kohli did what he had to do and was helped by Axar and Dube to put India in a good position. That's all that is to it, if you don't like it, so be it. 

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13 hours ago, Lord said:

 

lol you were also criticising his knock in the match thread. Accelerated way too late.

 

176 was not above par. We won due to SA choke and Bumrah

Axars knock was more valuable than his, he  could have been the mom if he didn’t have that one poor over.

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3 hours ago, putrevus said:

I was criticizing his knock before 50 too but he did open up and scored in last two overs.No one is saying he was great, but he made sure, India had a total to defend.

 

Making him an opener was biggest mistake. As soon as wickets fell ,he reverted back to building a partnership putting his ego aside and letting Axar also out hit him.

 

If Axar does not bowl there, India had plenty of runs.,it was a major mistake by Rohit.He first gave Kuldeep in PP and kept feeding spinners to Klassan.That is not Kohli's fault.

 

Spinners leaked over 12 RPO and Pandya does not bowl his quota of overs. How is it Kohli's fault.

 

Bumrah was played with ease in 16th over by Klassan.If Pandya does not get Klassan, India was not winning the match.So Bumrah bowled great but he was not only reason why India won yesterday.

 

This nonsense that India won inspite of him is ridiculous.

 

 

 

 

That's all fine. What I don't get is why pick dube if he can't bowl?

 

Saffer couldn't even hit 125 k balls. 

 

Dube bowls 120 to 130??? 

 

Why play spin when helped pacers a little more

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4 minutes ago, Sandz said:

Axars knock was more valuable than his, he  could have been the mom if he didn’t have that one poor over.

Absolutely

 People forget kohli didn't hit a single boundary for 12 overs in a damn T20 games. Axar was the one hitting a six every over and keeping us in a good position.

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16 hours ago, Laaloo said:

Absolutely

 People forget kohli didn't hit a single boundary for 12 overs in a damn T20 games. Axar was the one hitting a six every over and keeping us in a good position.

And first boundary after 12 overs was right after his 50. Like clockwork :rofl:

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4 minutes ago, Lord said:

And first boundary after 12 overs was right after his 50. Like clockwork :rofl:

 

He is still very conscious about maintaining a 50 average in all the formats. Never seen a more stats obsessed player.

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15 minutes ago, Lord said:

And first boundary after 12 overs was right after his 50. Like clockwork :rofl:

Markram didn't finish maharaj overs. He was their best bowler and instead of going for the kill, he bowled himself to get easy overs in and then Jansen at the death. Jansen literally saved Kohli. 3 easy boundaries in the first over and then a few more give me deliveries in the death.

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Yes, Kohli could and should've batted a tad quicker. Maybe a 50 in 40 deliveries (instead of 48), and starting the acceleration after 15 overs instead of 17 as we still had Pandya in the hut. I think we left 10-15 runs on the table due to these reasons.

 

But at the same time we won and Kohli has retired. IMO it's all water under the bridge and no point in flogging a dead horse. We knew Kohli's batting approach and that's why we were pushing him to bat at 3 instead of opening. But he's retired now and won't play T20s for India again. He can continue playing IPL like Dhoni and we've absolutely no issues with that.

 

It's time to let things be and move on. One thing though - would like to see Kohli and Rohit hang up their boots in ODIs too. We've likes of Gill, Jaiswal, Sai Sudarshan (at 3). Let the youngsters play so we can have a killer team by the next WC in 2027.

 

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6 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Markram didn't finish maharaj overs. He was their best bowler and instead of going for the kill, he bowled himself to get easy overs in and then Jansen at the death. Jansen literally saved Kohli. 3 easy boundaries in the first over and then a few more give me deliveries in the death.

If sachin was there he scored 4 or 18 runs innings like 2003 n 2011 finals

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4 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

If sachin was there he scored 4 or 18 runs innings like 2003 n 2011 finals

So what?

 

Kohli scored 1(13) in the SF against Australia in 2015 after a very good start by the openers.

 

Also don't forget his 5(9) in CT 2017 Final.

 

Why are you comparing two players in a format where one of the players has only played one game?

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17 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Markram didn't finish maharaj overs. He was their best bowler and instead of going for the kill, he bowled himself to get easy overs in and then Jansen at the death. Jansen literally saved Kohli. 3 easy boundaries in the first over and then a few more give me deliveries in the death.

 let me explain to you why in basic terms so you can comprehend....

 

Dube was real game changer in batting innings....

 

let me explain nuances of the game...

 

he had highest strike rate for anyone who scored over 10 runs....

 

he came in when india were struggling and lookint at 150....

 

immediately took the iniative and put pressure on SA....

 

dube presence means SA could not bowl out Maharj or any more spin....

 

this meant they had to go back to useless Jansen....

 

so dube saved kohli indirectly....

 

and kohli scored 20 extra runs because of this...

 

bcause it was run machine Jansen bowling to him.....

 

hope this helps....

 

 

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Just now, Laaloo said:

So what?

 

Kohli scored 1(13) in the SF against Australia in 2015 after a very good start by the openers.

 

Also don't forget his 5(9) in CT 2017 Final.

 

Why are you comparing two players in a format where one of the players has only played one game?

Atleast kohli stepped up when it's mattered most..

2011 wc finals crucial partnership

2013 ct final -  top scorer

2014 t20 wc final - top scorer

2017 ct final - failed

2024 t20wc final - top scorer

 

Only failed one final out of 5 finals.. Sachin sir failed 2/2 finals.. 

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1 minute ago, Praveen 06 said:

Atleast kohli stepped up when it's mattered most..

2011 wc finals crucial partnership

2013 ct final -  top scorer

2014 t20 wc final - top scorer

2017 ct final - failed

2024 t20wc final - top scorer

 

Only failed one final out of 5 finals.. Sachin sir failed 2/2 finals.. 

let's not compare them...

 

kohli is top 3 all tiem Indian white ball cricketer...

 

1. MSD

2. Kohli

3. Kapil Dev

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