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4 minutes ago, Kron said:

Now this chewtiya mod is saying razzaq vs bumrah would be an even battle lmaoo

kuch bhi salah lowda

 

Batsmen declined that's why bumrah looks great

 

But sanga mahela would handle bumrah cause batsmen were better back then yet they struggled vs zak and sreesanth lol. 

 

However bumrah will have problems with those great players lol..

 

So what is it? Batting declined or bowling declined. Can't have it both ways.

 


wat mod?

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Mcgrath is greatest winning bowler of all time. There are more skilled bowlers than Mcgrath but no bowler who is/was a better winner like this guy.He was mean sob who did not give an inch as bowler.

 

Like Ambrose he could  examine the technique of any batsman.That is why he has knocked off more top order batsman than any other bowler.

 

Bumrah showed up in crunch time for first time in eight -nine years. 

 

He far away for him to be compared to a guy like Mcgrath.

 

 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Mcgrath is greatest winning bowler of all time. There are more skilled bowlers than Mcgrath but no bowler who is/was a better winner like this guy.He was mean sob who did not give an inch as bowler.

 

Like Ambrose he could  examine the technique of any batsman.That is why he has knocked off more top order batsman than any other bowler.

 

Bumrah showed up in crunch time for first time in eight -nine years. 

 

He far away for him to be compared to a guy like Mcgrath.

 

 

 

 

This irrational hate for Bumrah has to stop. He didnt simply show up in crunch time, he dominated a world cup from start to finish in a way thats hardly ever been done before, winning key matches from almost impossible situations. Your acting like what bumrah did was normal and bowlers like steyn, ambrose and wasim did it all the time.

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1 minute ago, TellTheTruth said:

This irrational hate for Bumrah has to stop. He didnt simply show up in crunch time, he dominated a world cup from start to finish in a way thats hardly ever been done before, winning key matches from almost impossible situations. Your acting like what bumrah did was normal and bowlers like steyn, ambrose and wasim did it all the time.

There is no hate against Bumrah. 
 

 

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10 minutes ago, putrevus said:

There is no hate against Bumrah. 
 

 

 

Saying Bumrah showed up for first time 8-9 years in crunch is extreme. Also haters tend to blame bumrah for ODI world cup loses in which The batsman couldn't even pass 250. The expectations on bumrah is so high that if he doesn't have an all time great world cup its considered a choke is why i think the hate against bumrah from indian fans is so extreme. 

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1 minute ago, TellTheTruth said:

 

Saying Bumrah showed up for first time 8-9 years in crunch is extreme. Also haters tend to blame bumrah for ODI world cup loses in which The batsman couldn't even pass 250. The expectations on bumrah is so high that if he doesn't have an all time great world cup its considered a choke is why i think the hate against bumrah from indian fans is so extreme. 

No it is fact, Bumrah showed up in crunch for the first time. 
 

It is not hate to say it.

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, TellTheTruth said:

 

Saying Bumrah showed up for first time 8-9 years in crunch is extreme. Also haters tend to blame bumrah for ODI world cup loses in which The batsman couldn't even pass 250. The expectations on bumrah is so high that if he doesn't have an all time great world cup its considered a choke is why i think the hate against bumrah from indian fans is so extreme. 

 

Bud you're talking to the chap who thinks that our batsmen and Kohli have shown up every tourney and it was our bowler's fault for not winning anything :laugh:

 

The guy is such a deluded fool he expects bowlers to perform miracles every time. In fact even this tourney itself we needed couple of miracles to win the tourney. Our batsmen have never supported our bowlers over the last decade and shyte the bed nearly every time either putting up a below par score (2023 WC, 2022 WT20, 2021 WT20, 2019 WC, 2016 WT20, 2014 WT20 and WTC finals).

 

This fool thinks that bowlers have to perform miracles every time for the team to win and batsmen like Kohli are not the problem for failing to show up in knockouts. Even this final it was the bowlers and Axar who showed up else we were on course for another loss thanks to batsmen choking in another final.

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1 minute ago, putrevus said:

No it is fact, Bumrah showed up in crunch for the first time. 
 

It is not hate to say it.

 

 

 

Yes. The only time a bowler shows up in the crunch is when defending 30 runs in 30 balls after the opposition has scored 40 runs off the last 12 balls in a World Cup final on a flat pitch. Bowlers like Wasim Akram, Curtly Ambrose, and Malcolm Marshall used to do this every week. We meek Indians should stop bowling pace and just play four spinners.

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4 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No it is fact, Bumrah showed up in crunch for the first time. 
 

It is not hate to say it.

 

 

 

 

I wonder where Kohli and batsmen were hiding in the following recent tourneys :hmmm:

 

2023 WC final

2023 TC final

2022 WT20 SF

2021 WT20

2021 WTC final (couldn't even eke out a draw when it rained out 2.5 days)

2019 WC SF (Kohli & co. couldn't even chase 240)

 

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Take Mcgrath out of that Aussie side and it becomes a normal team ex - ashes 2005.

 

Bumrah is a generational talent but comparing him with a GOAT contender who has taken 500 wkts is premature but yeah I can understand that we can’t control our happiness finally getting one ATG contender bowler in 80 years.

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9 hours ago, express bowling said:

Impossible to compare across eras.

 

But we can discuss their strengths.

 

Bumrah ....

 

1)   Consistent pace of 135 k to 145 k / 147 k in tests.  In his quickest years, 2018 and 2019, he crossed 150 k often enough. 

 

2)  Hits the bat high and hard from a high arm action. Gets good bounce for a medium height pacer.  Gets good zip off the deck. 

 

3)  Releases the ball 34 cm past the bowling crease as opposed to 5 cm to 15 cm for a normal pacer. This means he feels quicker than his release speeds suggest.

 

4)  He is very very accurate.

 

5)  He can vary lengths at will while keeping his lines same.

 

6)  He has a vicious, quick, accurate and indipping yorker which he can and does bowl at will. 

 

7) He has a nasty bumper. He uses it sparingly on slower surfaces and much more frequently on faster surfaces. But whenever he uses them, he makes them count.

 

8)  He can seam and swing the ball both ways nowadays  

 

9)  Most importantly, Bumrah has a thinking brain and can read match conditions and players very fast. He can plan dismissals regularly. 

 

10)   He uses his deceptive slower ball, bowled with a similar arm speed, even in tests. 

 

11)  Is one of the biggest reasons for our T20 WC 24 win, 2 test series wins IN Australia and 2 drawn test series IN England and SA. 

 

Bumrah is probably the most complete fast bowler in the history of the game, and can execute almost every kind of delivery in the book. 

 

His introduction to our test bowling lineup, in January 2018, completely transformed our pace attack. He was a wicket taker and enforcer pacer rolled into one.

 

 

 

 

 

McGrath ....

 

1)  He is 6"5" tall and his USP was steep bounce from a very high release point. He bounced the ball like a ping pong. 

 

2)  He was very very accurate. This, combined with steep bounce, was impossible to handle. 

 

3)  Very under-rated in terms of pace. He was definitely 135 k to 142 k in his quickest years. Even in 1999, saw him average 138 k in ODIs. 

 

4)  Extracted a lot of zip snd bounce off the deck. 

 

5)  Had a nasty bumper and intimidated batters regularly. 

 

6)  Could seam the ball both ways. Have seen him swing the ball too in helpful conditions. 

 

7)  He was a fierce competitor. Wanted to win at all costs. 

 

8)  He was a thinking bowler who could plan out dismissals. 

 

9)  Was one of the biggest reasons why Australia was almost unbeatable in the late 1990s snd early 2000s.

 

McGrath had an aura. Oppositions were psyched out even before he came to bowl.

Its not impossible to compare across eras, for example if someone asked Anderson va Mcgrath it would have been easy same goes for Mcgrath vs Cummins.

 

The one and only right answer to this is Mcgrath everything else is just word salad.

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1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Its not impossible to compare across eras, for example if someone asked Anderson va Mcgrath it would have been easy same goes for Mcgrath vs Cummins.

 

The one and only right answer to this is Mcgrath everything else is just word salad.


ayo hoo where did u go? @Vicks57

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outside longevity....

 

bumrah is better bowler by far...

 

also better batsman.....

 

only think mcgrath has over bumrah is getting sachin lbw on a bouncer....

 

this is a one time event and will never happen again....

 

who gets lbw ducking to bouncer....


@Laaloo @Chaos

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2 minutes ago, MumInd said:

outside longevity....

 

bumrah is better bowler by far...

 

also better batsman.....

 

only think mcgrath has over bumrah is getting sachin lbw on a bouncer....

 

this is a one time event and will never happen again....

 

who gets lbw ducking to bouncer....


@Laaloo @Chaos


All ur fat fckkk pooks…


Only this fat effer pook inzy would fall over his stumps like this :hehe:

 

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The biggest difference:

 

Bumrah: Innovative, Variations... Street smart and very silent

 

Mcgrath: Repetition, repetition, and repetition! Knew exactly what would work and just kept doing that. Serial sledger and very poor when at the receiving end. 

 

Mcgrath always got the top order out. Bumrah does that too, but I guess Mcgrath would have done it more. 

There is very little difference between Mcgrath and Bumrah though.

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