Mukesh Kumar has the fortitude of a soldier.

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

obviously I wouldn’t play Mukesh on flat T20 250+ or 400 type odi pitches against top teams. Horses for courses. He has utility. Just like Arshdeep wasn’t that impressive for few on here (not sure about you so not personal) for his speed but has skillets that are valuable.

Credit to Arshdeep that he improved his batting and fielding big time.

 

Mukesh is atrocious as a fielder and a batter. I personally don't like such one dimensional players, even his one dimensional skillset is not at the calibre of Steyn or Anderson.

 

Anderson at age of 42 often bowls 135-140 when fresh and runs and fields well.

 

When we select bowlers like Chahal, Mukesh we actually send wrong signal that it's ok to Suck in the other 2 departments as long as you're decent in one.

 

 

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

I think he was playing hiding a niggle. He has gone into an injury break for a long time since then. 

 

His biggest issue is horrible fitness. 

His biggest issue is meekness/underconfidence, poor body language and inability to think on his own feet. Can bowl 140 clicks but walks around like a zombie, no aggression, no passion. He reminds me so much of Kela.

[Chakdephatte]

I agree on mentality point. With this amount of talent, one would not make it to an IPL team. He is playing for India. Respect...

[Gollum]

I hate players who don't work on secondary, tertiary skillsets. 1D guys like Chahal, Mukesh, Khaleel are the worst.

 

Look at Arshdeep, worked so much on his fielding and batting. Kuldeep's partnership with Jurel in Ranchi won us a test against Eng from a difficult position. Even Siraj took some blinders in recent times. Shami, Bumrah scored 50s in 2022 Eng. These are the kind of players I can get behind.

 

If Mukesh, Chahal can't bother to at least improve their fielding, they can * off for good.

[express bowling]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

obviously I wouldn’t play Mukesh on flat T20 250+ or 400 type odi pitches against top teams. Horses for courses. He has utility.

 

We need more all condition strike bowlers like Bumrah and Shami ... and not horses for courses utility bowlers.

 

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

Just like Arshdeep wasn’t that impressive for few on here (not sure about you so not personal) for his speed but has skillets that are valuable.

 

Arshdeep is a limited bowlers as of now.

 

But if you look.at the T20 trend for the last few years ... tall, left arm swing bowlers, using the new ball, are picking wickets, especially if paired with Right Arm pacers.

 

This is the reason why I support Arshdeep for T20Is only, since he started to swing the new ball and pick wickets. I don't want him for the 2 longer formats yet.

 

I can't speak for others, but I am a big believer in selecting the right bowler types for optimum success.

 

Arshdeep's type works in T20Is.  Mukesh's type hasn't worked in any format for long. 

 

 

Edited July 7, 2024 by express bowling

[singhvivek141]

Just now, Gollum said:

His biggest issue is meekness/underconfidence, poor body language and inability to think on his own feet. Can bowl 140 clicks but walks around like a zombie, no aggression, no passion. He reminds me so much of Kela.

Couple of months back I was speaking to my friend who is from Belgaum in Karnataka on the passion for army. He always say that North Karnataka are where you will find rowdie boys, hence they do quite well in physical sports and join army a lot. That friend of mine was excellent in volleyball and basketball.

 

South Karnataka kids are usually a padhaku type kids with soft mannerism as they're usually overprotected by their parents. Hence they are usually not strong mentally as they have lived in a virtual protective cage around themselves.

[Lord]

Just now, Gollum said:

I hate players who don't work on secondary, tertiary skillsets. 1D guys like Chahal, Mukesh, Khaleel are the worst.

 

Look at Arshdeep, worked so much on his fielding and batting. Kuldeep's partnership with Jurel in Ranchi won us a test against Eng from a difficult position. Even Siraj took some blinders in recent times. Shami, Bumrah scored 50s in 2022 Eng. These are the kind of players I can get behind.

 

If Mukesh, Chahal can't bother to at least improve their fielding, they can * off for good.

yep Chahal esp has remained the same. Siraj is another one who hasnt improved much. Our superstar batsmen never bothered bowling.

 

OTOH guys like Jadeja, Bumrah and Shami have worked on batting and it has paid dividend in Tests.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

I hate players who don't work on secondary, tertiary skillsets. 1D guys like Chahal, Mukesh, Khaleel are the worst.

 

Look at Arshdeep, worked so much on his fielding and batting. Kuldeep's partnership with Jurel in Ranchi won us a test against Eng from a difficult position. Even Siraj took some blinders in recent times. Shami, Bumrah scored 50s in 2022 Eng. These are the kind of players I can get behind.

 

If Mukesh, Chahal can't bother to at least improve their fielding, they can * off for good.

It’s easy to write off someone like that. Mukesh was from interior Bihar and was playing tennis ball cricket with no shoes. People identified his talent and Bengal gave him opportunities. Worked his way to the top. Not one of those who got selected on a couple of IPL spells. Has done alright in opportunities he got.

 

His fielding is bad-mediocre but that’s the case with most Indian fast bowlers who come from domestics.

 

as far as batting goes he started off as a keeper-bat at junior cricket, you won’t get many opportunities to showcase batting talent (if he has any) at no. X1 and that too in a side like India.

 

Nothing but respect.

 

also has good temperament as he showcased in IPL.

 

Mukesh has that Shami factor in him.

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

yep Chahal esp has remained the same. Siraj is another one who hasnt improved much. Our superstar batsmen never bothered bowling.

 

OTOH guys like Jadeja, Bumrah and Shami have worked on batting and it has paid dividend in Tests.

Our test success is because of bowlers working on their batting. More pronounced at home.

 

White ball underperformance due to batsmen not taking bowling seriously. Rohit had the tools to become a Maxwell type offie, Virat had the tools to be a bowling option in 2019 Eng or sluggish wickets.

[maniac]

Just now, Gollum said:

Our test success is because of bowlers working on their batting. More pronounced at home.

 

White ball underperformance due to batsmen not taking bowling seriously. Rohit had the tools to become a Maxwell type offie, Virat had the tools to be a bowling option in 2019 Eng or sluggish wickets.

Sachin actually enjoyed and had a blast while bowling, Ganguly had fast bowler attitude at his medium pace. These guys and even the newer ones like Abhishek and Parag bowl like they have a gun to their head.

[Gollum]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

It’s easy to write off someone like that. Mukesh was from interior Bihar and was playing tennis ball cricket with no shoes. People identified his talent and Bengal gave him opportunities. Worked his way to the top. Not one of those who got selected on a couple of IPL spells. Has done alright in opportunities he got.

 

His fielding is bad-mediocre but that’s the case with most Indian fast bowlers who come from domestics.

 

as far as batting goes he started off as a keeper-bat at junior cricket, you won’t get many opportunities to showcase batting talent (if he has any) at no. X1 and that too in a side like India.

 

Nothing but respect.

 

also has good temperament as he showcased in IPL.

 

Mukesh has that Shami factor in him.

I respect his grind, few more like that who have struggled their way to the top in cricket, even Sakariya. Mukesh will inspire many kids in Bihar, Bengal. Has represented India, IPL money, famous, can go into coaching in the future and unearth good pacers.

 

But when it comes to national selection, can we shed this sentimentality? Sob stories work well in Indian Idol but to be a world beating side we have to be ruthless. Select the best possible squad to attain WI, Aus like dominance.

[singhvivek141]

Just now, maniac said:

It’s easy to write off someone like that. Mukesh was from interior Bihar and was playing tennis ball cricket with no shoes. People identified his talent and Bengal gave him opportunities. Worked his way to the top. Not one of those who got selected on a couple of IPL spells. Has done alright in opportunities he got.

 

His fielding is bad-mediocre but that’s the case with most Indian fast bowlers who come from domestics.

 

as far as batting goes he started off as a keeper-bat at junior cricket, you won’t get many opportunities to showcase batting talent (if he has any) at no. X1 and that too in a side like India.

 

Nothing but respect.

 

also has good temperament as he showcased in IPL.

 

Mukesh has that Shami factor in him.

Not exactly.

Akashdeep is also from Bihar..Dehri is a place in Sasaram district, once a place known for Dalmiya factory which was shut down under Lalu.

 

If you want to know about Sasaram..this is the same place where Sheh Shah Suri tomb is present and few years back it was famous coz the IAS aspirant kids were studying at the railway station because they didn't have light at their homes.

 

Again, I am not demeaning Mukesh. But the journey he has went through, Akash has went through the same as well...and he is a very good fielder for a bowler and a good hitter down the order with bat. So Mukesh has no excuse of being this bad as someone from the same background has shown it already.

 

Both Mukesh & Akash are from Bihar...and play for Bengal. Only difference is Mukesh has the backing of Bengal lobby, Akash is an orphan child making name of his own.

[maniac]

1 minute ago, singhvivek141 said:

Not exactly.

Akashdeep is also from Bihar..Dehri is a place in Sasaram district, once a place known for Dalmiya factory which was shut down under Lalu.

 

If you want to know about Sasaram..this is the same place where Sheh Shah Suri tomb is present and few years back it was famous coz the IAS aspirant kids were studying at the railway station because they didn't have light at their homes.

 

Again, I am not demeaning Mukesh. But the journey he has went through, Akash has went through the same as well...and he is a very good fielder for a bowler and a good hitter down the order with bat. So Mukesh has no excuse of being this bad as someone from the same background has shown it already.

 

Both Mukesh & Akash are from Bihar...and play for Bengal. Only difference is Mukesh has the backing of Bengal lobby, Akash is an orphan child making name of his own.

why are we comparing the 2, irs not Mukesh vs Akashdeep here. Also Akash has had 1 spell too. Mukesh had that unplayable spell in SA too. 

[singhvivek141]

1 minute ago, maniac said:

why are we comparing the 2, irs not Mukesh vs Akashdeep here. Also Akash has had 1 spell too. Mukesh had that unplayable spell in SA too. 

It is ...coz everyone is trying to justify that Mukesh is a hero who has rose through ashes..hence can be forgiven for his shortcomings.

 

When another bowler from the same place has much better basics, shows that the former is just hyped due to his backing by the Bengal lobby. He is comfortably the second best bowler of his state team itself..forget the national team.

[singhvivek141]

Akash vs Mukesh

Bowling 

FC 23.7 vs 20.7

ODI 24.5 vs 38.4

T20 23.5 vs 29.5

 

As a batter & fielder Akash is miles ahead of Mukesh. Yet he is considered as a dark knight over another pacer who is more deserving.

 

[express bowling]

5 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Akash vs Mukesh

Bowling 

FC 23.7 vs 20.7

ODI 24.5 vs 38.4

T20 23.5 vs 29.5

 

As a batter & fielder Akash is miles ahead of Mukesh. Yet he is considered as a dark knight over another pacer who is more deserving.

 

 

Mukesh has the twin backing of the DC lobby and Bengal lobby. 

 

Akashdeep does not get backed by the RCB lobby.

[Frustrated]

Gutkesh is a bhojpuri quota pick.  My demand from the bhojpuri lobby: Pls pick Akash Deep.  He is also bhojpuri but a much better bowler with higher ceiling.   

[Suhaan]

Why are they creating a back up attack of Zaleel,Avesh ,Tushar,Chahar etc?

Behind Bumrah,Shami,Siraj

[Suhaan]

33 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Mukesh has the twin backing of the DC lobby and Bengal lobby. 

 

Akashdeep does not get backed by the RCB lobby.

That is why DC and Bengal both have nothing to show as results

[singhvivek141]

38 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Gutkesh is a bhojpuri quota pick.  My demand from the bhojpuri lobby: Pls pick Akash Deep.  He is also bhojpuri but a much better bowler with higher ceiling.   

If they will do that then I will start a Bhojpuri thread on ICF..supporting all the Bhojpuriya maati ke lal players. Every comment from my side on thay thread will be in Bhojpuri..

 

"Maar Deb Goli, je kehu boli".