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As a commentator and analyst, we have seen he doesn't have any ideology or particular beliefs (in cricketing terms). He just comes up with opinions on the spot. Like, Ashwin at no. 4 in world cup. His own views on cricket are incoherent. Doesn't trust modern day analysis, has old school (random) methods. 

 

He is coach because of KKR's win and the allegations against their main coach KKR.  @Lord, @coffee_rules, @vvvslaxman, @Frustrated

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34 minutes ago, Bigg Brother said:

So much noise for head coach. Head coch can do zilch, we will tournament only if new talebdted players are capable of showing up at KO matches. Do we guys really think he can finish seniority and star culture? Must be deluding. Haven't we seen Jay Shah sucking upto Rohit -Kohli? He is BCCI not GG..

Atleast he can play a small role in selecting the right players for the right formats.

 

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20 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Read it carefully.

 

He says that when you are young, you should bowl as fast ax you can. At that  time your bowling muscles are developing. This is a well known fact.

 

We want not so young pacers, who are 25 years +, to bowl at 140 k+ too. Like we have seen with Srinath, Umesh, Shami and Bumrah. 

 

Zaheer himself bowled very fast when young and then cut down on pace.  And has said things like these thereafter.

Indian bodies not designed to bowl fast: Zaheer Khan

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.ndtv.com/cricket/indian-bodies-not-designed-to-bowl-fast-zaheer-khan-1565076/amp/1

 

 

 

There are enough 'experts' who discourage bowling fast even among youngsters. The message is to bowl as fast as you can when young and then add skills/accuracy later with experience. Nothing wrong in it and he hasn't suggested cutting down pace. 

 

The link you posted, again he said nothing wrong. Fast bowling doesn't come naturally to us else we would have produced lot more fast bowlers. He talks about identifying your strengths and weaknesses which anyone would. Again I don't see him advocating line and length over pace.

 

As I said, I'd want a foreign coach. But if other option is Vinay Kumar,I'm quite happy to have Zak unless you can prove Vinay encourages pace bowling.

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6 hours ago, Chakdephatte said:

As a commentator and analyst, we have seen he doesn't have any ideology or particular beliefs (in cricketing terms). He just comes up with opinions on the spot. Like, Ashwin at no. 4 in world cup. His own views on cricket are incoherent. Doesn't trust modern day analysis, has old school (random) methods. 

 

He is coach because of KKR's win and the allegations against their main coach KKR.  @Lord, @coffee_rules, @vvvslaxman, @Frustrated


He was effective as coach even in LSG and got them to playoffs. Apart from KKR cred. His analysis as a commentator/analyst are way off. His IPL picks were a running joke on SM. But his ability as a coach is good as per results and that is what that matters. He’s had behavioral issues and also narcissistic, hopefully it will not impact. His image as a coach is that of a serious no-nonsense class monitor /disciplinarian like Kumble. I don’t know how it will go with seniors.  Hopefully his selections will be good along with captains preference. 
 

 

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1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

There are enough 'experts' who discourage bowling fast even among youngsters. The message is to bowl as fast as you can when young and then add skills/accuracy later with experience. Nothing wrong in it and he hasn't suggested cutting down pace. 

 

The link you posted, again he said nothing wrong. Fast bowling doesn't come naturally to us else we would have produced lot more fast bowlers. He talks about identifying your strengths and weaknesses which anyone would. Again I don't see him advocating line and length over pace.

 

As I said, I'd want a foreign coach. But if other option is Vinay Kumar,I'm quite happy to have Zak unless you can prove Vinay encourages pace bowling.

Fast bowling, like any other art, needs support and encouragement. It acts as a motivation.

 

We can produce so many spinners and batters because they have had heroes to look up to. Kumble grew up watching Prasanna and Chandra, Bhajji was inspired by Bedi...you need role models.

 

Our bowling culture started to revive during Ganguly's era...now we have bowlers who can bowl fast even in their mid-thirties. What Zak told isn't true anymore.

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Before we completely dismiss Vinay Kumar's coaching abilities, let's remember:

 

Bharat Arun was a trundler. I doubt if he bowled any faster than Madan Lal or Vinay Kumar

Bharat Arun played exactly 6 international matches.

Bharat Arun's FC bowling average is 32.44.

 

But, Bharat Arun was a good bowling coach for Team India, under whom the fast bowlers did quite well.

 

Often times, guys with limited talent/physical abilities have to compensate with a strong work ethic, discipline, grit and consistency. They probably know why things work and impart that knowledge to talented players.

 

Vinay Kumar comes across that kind of guy - an honest trier with a tremendous FC record and a reputation of being a good mentor. There is nothing to suggest that he will stifle fast bowlers just because he was a trundler. If Gambhir thinks he will be a good coach, perhaps we should trust him.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Fast bowling, like any other art, needs support and encouragement. It acts as a motivation.

 

We can produce so many spinners and batters because they have had heroes to look up to. Kumble grew up watching Prasanna and Chandra, Bhajji was inspired by Bedi...you need role models.

 

Our bowling culture started to revive during Ganguly's era...now we have bowlers who can bowl fast even in their mid-thirties. What Zak told isn't true anymore.

 

Yes the interview is old from his playing days.

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4 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Will appreciate if you don't put words on my mouth

Did I say that?Same thread I have posted my reply here maybe previous page

This is no Vinay vs Zaheer

I said ,what has exactly changes in Indian bodies genetically in last 10 years or since Zaheer?

 

Not much as such. If you see bodies of Aus, SA even WI quicks vs us, the difference is still there

 

However now there is a very conscious effort to manage the fitness, rotating the bowling etcs alongwith shift to better diets. Basically we are using the money and awareness.

 

A Shami in 90s wouldn't have been so effective because he'd have been forced to play every meaningless game hence causing burnouts.

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Gambhir is try random stuff until something works kind of guy. He will look like a genius when those random ideas work.

What is good about him is he doesn't continue something just because it is the established tradition, he questions everything. Since ict is always run on traditions and conventional wisdom, it'll be a good change to try and see what else is good.

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21 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Not much as such. If you see bodies of Aus, SA even WI quicks vs us, the difference is still there

 

However now there is a very conscious effort to manage the fitness, rotating the bowling etcs alongwith shift to better diets. Basically we are using the money and awareness.

 

A Shami in 90s wouldn't have been so effective because he'd have been forced to play every meaningless game hence causing burnouts.

Not everyone of them there have the ability to fast

Only a few have those fast twitch fibres,not each one of them is gifted with that

Fast bowling ,longevity,and retention of pace is very rare for a said pool of pacers in each country

We have started witnessing those guys here as well,benefit of huge gene pool here you know

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Gambhir is try random stuff until something works kind of guy. He will look like a genius when those random ideas work.

What is good about him is he doesn't continue something just because it is the established tradition, he questions everything. Since ict is always run on traditions and conventional wisdom, it'll be a good change to try and see what else is good.

 

Thala was like that too. Need someone to think out of the box.

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