Gautam Gambhir new head coach

[Praveen 06]

2 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

He showed up in the 2011 WC final and led us to 3 ICC tourneys.

Ek chakke ne 3 icc tourneys nahi jitaya

[Chakdephatte]

2 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

Ek chakke ne 3 icc tourneys nahi jitaya

This fits too wet in a thread dedicated to Gambhir 

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, Praveen 06 said:

Ek chakke ne 3 icc tourneys nahi jitaya

 

Winning even one tourney as captain is difficult. He led us to 3 - half of the total no. of tourneys we have. So yeah captain who won us those 3 ICC tourneys deserves credit, especially when he was the MOM in the biggest win - 2011 WC final.

[Praveen 06]

23 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Winning even one tourney as captain is difficult. He led us to 3 - half of the total no. of tourneys we have. So yeah captain who won us those 3 ICC tourneys deserves credit, especially when he was the MOM in the biggest win - 2011 WC final.

It's team game - gambhir 

[Ultimate_Game]

5 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

It's team game - gambhir 

 

Team game but a leader makes the difference. Just like Rohit did in the recent WT20. You just have to see Dhoni's teams either when he led India or in IPL to know about man management and how to get the best out of every player.

[Praveen 06]

5 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Team game but a leader makes the difference. Just like Rohit did in the recent WT20. You just have to see Dhoni's teams either when he led India or in IPL to know about man management and how to get the best out of every player.

Just like sammy

[Ultimate_Game]

6 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

Just like sammy

 

Better than Kohli as captain for sure.

[singhvivek141]

3 hours ago, putrevus said:

 Sachin is nowhere near Kohli in terms of consistency. I agree Ponting and Lara were nowhere near him.

 

The reason is the their game, Kohli plays a low risk game and depends on running between the wickets more than his power game.Sachin had a better power game than Kohli. That is why I feel Kohli would be just fine in 2027 too if he has form, his game translates more in odis than T20s.

 

Think about it Sachin had better bowling attacks . He had atleast Kumble and then Bhajji who are far better than any whiteball spinners which Kohli had during his tenure.Plus with great Bhuvi and the spinners in Jadeja and Ashwin.

 

Sachin's teams were much more balanced.

 

Sachin had poor fast bowlers. Bhajji wasn't a wicket taker in any means if we talk about ODI's.

269 wkts in 233 games. Kumble touched 300 in 234th game itself.

 

Kapil declined badly when he started

Srinath wasn't a regular till 1993-94

Venkatesh Prasad, Debasish Mohanty, Manoj Prabhakar were just like Bhuvi & Shardul.

Kumble & Sri were the only good bowlers.

 

Agarkar started well but was just not consistent, consider him like Siraj

 

Rest

Abey Kuruvilla

T Kumaran

Harvinder Singh

Doda Ganesh

David Johnsn

Nilesh Kulkarni

Aak thu...

 

Compare it with current bowling attack.

Bumrah & Shami are way more lethal than Srinath or Kumble ever were. Bhajji is not much better than Jadeja with the bowl, he wasn't a wicket taker.

 

Kohli actually missed a trick by not playing Shami in 2017 CT final & 2019 SF. Shami is phenomenal in ODI & gives perfect cushion to Bumrah. However, just like selectors & TM these days can't let go of KL Rahul...similarly in that era Bhuvi was omnipresent in every format.

 

One ODI WC I really feel we should have won was 2015, Umesh & Shami were literally unplayable throughout the tournament and Mohit was giving them good support. One game where Shami went wicketless and we just surrendered vs Australia.

[Ultimate_Game]

19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sachin had poor fast bowlers. Bhajji wasn't a wicket taker in any means if we talk about ODI's.

269 wkts in 233 games. Kumble touched 300 in 234th game itself.

 

Kapil declined badly when he started

Srinath wasn't a regular till 1993-94

Venkatesh Prasad, Debasish Mohanty, Manoj Prabhakar were just like Bhuvi & Shardul.

Kumble & Sri were the only good bowlers.

 

Agarkar started well but was just not consistent, consider him like Siraj

 

Rest

Abey Kuruvilla

T Kumaran

Harvinder Singh

Doda Ganesh

David Johnsn

Nilesh Kulkarni

Aak thu...

 

Compare it with current bowling attack.

Bumrah & Shami are way more lethal than Srinath or Kumble ever were. Bhajji is not much better than Jadeja with the bowl, he wasn't a wicket taker.

 

Kohli actually missed a trick by not playing Shami in 2017 CT final & 2019 SF. Shami is phenomenal in ODI & gives perfect cushion to Bumrah. However, just like selectors & TM these days can't let go of KL Rahul...similarly in that era Bhuvi was omnipresent in every format.

 

One ODI WC I really feel we should have won was 2015, Umesh & Shami were literally unplayable throughout the tournament and Mohit was giving them good support. One game where Shami went wicketless and we just surrendered vs Australia.

 

To me 2019 WC and 2023 WC were there for the taking. In 2015 Aussies at home were beasts. If we've gotten past NZ, which we should've had we played Shami instead of that midget Chahal, we win. Final was played on a decent pitch and not a flat patta so our bowling would've made the difference.

 

WC 2023 was again our batsmen, especially the middle order shytting the bed. Can't get a better chance to win a tourney. Same with CT 2017 where one of Shami or Umesh should've played, and we should've batted first on that patta. All of these losses were self-inflicted and due to poor team selection.

[putrevus]

28 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Sachin had poor fast bowlers. Bhajji wasn't a wicket taker in any means if we talk about ODI's.

269 wkts in 233 games. Kumble touched 300 in 234th game itself.

 

Kapil declined badly when he started

Srinath wasn't a regular till 1993-94

Venkatesh Prasad, Debasish Mohanty, Manoj Prabhakar were just like Bhuvi & Shardul.

Kumble & Sri were the only good bowlers.

 

Agarkar started well but was just not consistent, consider him like Siraj

 

Rest

Abey Kuruvilla

T Kumaran

Harvinder Singh

Doda Ganesh

David Johnsn

Nilesh Kulkarni

Aak thu...

 

Compare it with current bowling attack.

Bumrah & Shami are way more lethal than Srinath or Kumble ever were. Bhajji is not much better than Jadeja with the bowl, he wasn't a wicket taker.

 

Kohli actually missed a trick by not playing Shami in 2017 CT final & 2019 SF. Shami is phenomenal in ODI & gives perfect cushion to Bumrah. However, just like selectors & TM these days can't let go of KL Rahul...similarly in that era Bhuvi was omnipresent in every format.

 

One ODI WC I really feel we should have won was 2015, Umesh & Shami were literally unplayable throughout the tournament and Mohit was giving them good support. One game where Shami went wicketless and we just surrendered vs Australia.

We will have seperate discussion on it later, there are so many things to go over, I don't have time today for it.

[Need4Speed]

If GG doesnt play Rana in last ODI then he isnt bold for me..

The current fast bowling duo is not doing good enough..better to try out the youngster..

I fear with series on the line he will repeat Arshdeep and Siraj and I wont like that.

[Need4Speed]

GG bhi nikla fuddu

[Lord]

Missing the engine oil guy anyone?

 

[Frustrated]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

Missing the engine oil guy anyone?

 

Under engine oil, we lost ODI series to BD.  And almost tied the test series with them 1-1.  Needed an Ashwin special with the bat to cross the hurdle. Not to forget: 2 Ten wicket thrashings in T20WC. One against Pooks and other against Brits.  

Having said that, no one really knows what is in store for us under Gambhir.  So far it has been ......CT2025 would be make or break, I believe.  

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Under engine oil, we lost ODI series to BD.  And almost tied the test series with them 1-1.  Needed an Ashwin special with the bat to cross the hurdle. Not to forget: 2 Ten wicket thrashings in T20WC. One against Pooks and other against Brits.  

Having said that, no one really knows what is in store for us under Gambhir.  So far it has been ......CT2025 would be make or break, I believe.  

 

Pak defeat was under tracer bullet Shastri. England are top T20 team.

 

Only BD loss is comparable. But even they are better than SL now.

 

More than loss, I found the constant change in batting order confusing. 

[putrevus]

This is first series , so I can understand Gambhir might be feeling his way into the team.It will take them for him to implement his vision for the team.

 

I like most of the things he has done except not giving guy like Harshit a chance . Dube should have been rested along with Siraj so harshit could get couple of games.

 

Gambhir was an excellent player of spin, his input would be of great help to the players.

[StraightDrive26]

Okay can someone tell me on what basis do we think GG is going to be this super coach? He hardly has any experience coaching and his first series as ODI team coach was excruciating to watch. India vs SL was a no contest for 27 years and suddenly it seemed we are equals. The team selection did not match the path India were planning to take in white ball formats. The dropping of Jaiswal, Rinku Singh etc to play Shreyas Iyer and KL Rahul does not say that he is better than anyone before him. Is he given so much hype because he keeps an angry face all the time and spews nonsense on Social media? Or is he given so much hype due to his political affiliations? Let him prove that he is a worthy coach first before hyping him. Rahul Dravid might have not achieved as much as he was expected to but again at least he had the pedigree as a coach to deserve the hype he got. He did help the team to win one ICC trophy during his tenure. 

 

People just praising what he did just for the sake of it shows that you don't want to be proven wrong. The ODI series was a disaster, there is no two ways about it. except for Rohit, no one seemed to be in any sort of rhythm. Look at it this way, this was India's first ODI series this year and we played players in the team who hadn't been in action for a long time. There were players playing in Zimbabwe and then in SL completely ignored to play KL & Iyer? Please stop this hype and let him actually do something and make a difference first. The T20 team evolved naturally into what it is, this is not GG's doing. The retirement of Virat and Rohit meant that we had to make some changes that those were made, so all cannot be credited to GG alone. 

[Suhaan]

7 minutes ago, StraightDrive26 said:

Okay can someone tell me on what basis do we think GG is going to be this super coach? He hardly has any experience coaching and his first series as ODI team coach was excruciating to watch. India vs SL was a no contest for 27 years and suddenly it seemed we are equals. The team selection did not match the path India were planning to take in white ball formats. The dropping of Jaiswal, Rinku Singh etc to play Shreyas Iyer and KL Rahul does not say that he is better than anyone before him. Is he given so much hype because he keeps an angry face all the time and spews nonsense on Social media? Or is he given so much hype due to his political affiliations? Let him prove that he is a worthy coach first before hyping him. Rahul Dravid might have not achieved as much as he was expected to but again at least he had the pedigree as a coach to deserve the hype he got. He did help the team to win one ICC trophy during his tenure. 

 

People just praising what he did just for the sake of it shows that you don't want to be proven wrong. The ODI series was a disaster, there is no two ways about it. except for Rohit, no one seemed to be in any sort of rhythm. Look at it this way, this was India's first ODI series this year and we played players in the team who hadn't been in action for a long time. There were players playing in Zimbabwe and then in SL completely ignored to play KL & Iyer? Please stop this hype and let him actually do something and make a difference first. The T20 team evolved naturally into what it is, this is not GG's doing. The retirement of Virat and Rohit meant that we had to make some changes that those were made, so all cannot be credited to GG alone. 

Zim tour had VVS as coach

[Frustrated]

Del

Edited October 20, 2024 by Frustrated

[putrevus]

We have to give Gambhir credit for this impossible win. It cannot be just captain's thinking to do something like this, coach also has to be part of the think tank.