Gautam Gambhir new head coach

[Suhaan]

20 minutes ago, Lord said:

They don't want a foreign coach. So an Indian bowling coach will mostly be a trundler. 

 

21 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Way better than Vinay Ko Maar. Zak was rapid in his early days and slowed down due to injuries. Still was quite a good bowler in his hey days. Mentored a young Ishant early on.

How did you come to that conclusion?

As they say career trajectory doesn't assure you about ones coaching credentials

Both can be good or bad

 

Besides this,I m kind of interested in Aaron's coaching ability,people who have heard him in maybe on ESPN talks so good about pace bowling and biomechanics involved with it

Good reader of situation particularly pace bowling,he can make a good coach in future even though didn't have a good career as many expected him to have

As I said the upcoming Indians from Umesh Aaron Shami to Bumrah Siraj will be no less fast bowling coaches than any westerner for upcoming new gen of pacers

[Lord]

Just now, rkt.india said:

and he proved pretty poor as mentor to Ishant.  Ishant had declined badly trying to emulate Zak.

 

No not really he never dropped pace. How did he try to emulate Zak?

[Lord]

Just now, Suhaan said:

 

How did you come to that conclusion?

As they say career trajectory doesn't assure you about ones coaching credentials

Both can be good or bad

 

Besides this,I m kind of interested in Aaron's coaching ability,people who have heard him in maybe on ESPN talks so good about pace bowling and biomechanics involved with it

Good reader of situation particularly pace bowling,he can make a good coach in future even though didn't have a good career as many expected him to have

As I said the upcoming Indians from Umesh Aaron Shami to Bumrah Siraj will be no less fast bowling coaches than any westerner for upcoming new gen of pacers

 

yeah talking about now. Shami can be great in future.  If you listen them talk, Zak still sounds best. And he doesnt discourage bowling fast

 

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/75193/bowl-as-fast-as-you-can-when-you-are-young-zaheer-khan-cricbuzzcom

 

Even Agarkar would be better than Aaron.

[Suhaan]

36 minutes ago, Lord said:

Even Agarkar would be better than Aaron.

Aaron too sounds quite knowledgeable

As I see Mhambrwy ,Arun have been given opportunity to serve this side ,I see Aaron too has a chance someday irrespective of their career graph

[Chakdephatte]

Lucky, he hadn't proved anything-- 

 

 

 

 

 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

 

No not really he never dropped pace. How did he try to emulate Zak?

Ishant lost significant pace from 2009 T20 WC onwards. Later regained it when he went back to his original style on 2011 WI tour.

[Suhaan]

8 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

Lucky, he hadn't proved anything-- 

 

 

 

 

 

If iirc he wanted SKY in tests and he was convinced with his inclusion in last 50 over CWC squad

[Suhaan]

24 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ishant lost significant pace from 2009 T20 WC onwards. Later regained it when he went back to his original style on 2011 WI tour.

I noticed he started loosing pace from our tour to NZ in early 2009

The evident regain of pace was fromlate 2014 and early  2015 onwards

Edited July 10, 2024 by Suhaan

[rkt.india]

6 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

The evident regain of pace was fromlate 2014 and early  2015 onwards

he had terrorized WI batsmen in that series in 2011 with pace and bounce. he had gained his back at that time.  Also hit 150 plus KPH in IPL that year.  He was lost for two years trying to become swing bowler like Zak.  His SA tour of 2010 was really pathetic.  he was big reason we could not win that series.   

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

he had terrorized WI batsmen in that series in 2011 with pace and bounce. he had gained his back at that time.  Also hit 150 plus KPH in IPL that year.  He was lost for two years trying to become swing bowler like Zak.  His SA tour of 2010 was really pathetic.  he was big reason we could not win that series.   

I mostly used to see him operating at sub 140 s even in Odis prior to late 2014

He got seriously  quick  once again in late 2011 iirc against visiting WI and then bowled with high pace in Aus (he clocked 153 at MCG 1st test and cleaned Clarke with an indipper clocked almost 150 before getting injured)

Edited July 10, 2024 by Suhaan

[tapandrun]

58 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

Aaron too sounds quite knowledgeable

As I see Mhambrwy ,Arun have been given opportunity to serve this side ,I see Aaron too has a chance someday irrespective of their career graph

Aaron is a v.good orator, he has so much content about fast bowling and clarity of technical details - there is no one in Ind rt now better than him on Air who can explain

fast bowling. But has he coached anytime in the past  ?? does he know what it takes to coach an intnl side. Think he recently joined MRF pace foundation.

 

Zak worries a bit as bowling coach, his attitude towards fast bowling was not gr8, he was unfit (not in terms of injured but unfit) during his playing days, had to walk off the ground after bowling 4 balls in a test when being the most exp. bowler in the team. PPl will not be talking so highly of him had he not had that kind of 2011 WC.

Think even MI shifted from him to Bond v.quickly as bowling 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Edited July 10, 2024 by tapandrun

[tapandrun]

7 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

I mostly used to see him operating at sub 140 s even in Odis prior to late 2014

He got seriously  quick  once again in late 2011 iirc against visiting WI and then bowled with high pace in Aus (he clocked 153 at MCG 1st test and cleaned Clarke with an indipper clocked almost 150 before getting injured)

Ishant had many upswing and downswing in his pace over the years , at one time he hardly bowled any thing reaching 140s. Just before retirement he was clocking 140s and event touching 144 kmph.

 

His pace was never consistent he was bowling nothing balls  fr seasons and suddenly when he was not no. 1/2 bowler he became some1 who is economical can hold one end and bowl longer spell and then later in his career he started getting wkts with being economical.

 

 

[Lord]

34 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Ishant lost significant pace from 2009 T20 WC onwards. Later regained it when he went back to his original style on 2011 WI tour.

 

Venky was our coach then. We were playing Praveen too.

 

I'm talking of early career in Aus tour home and away in 2008 and England home ODI series.

[Suhaan]

14 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Aaron is a v.good orator, he has some much content about fast bowling and clarity of technical details - there is no one in Ind rt now better than him on Air who can explain

fast bowling. But has he coached anytime in the past  ?? does he know what it takes to coach an intnl side. Think he recently joined MRF pace foundation.

 

Zak worries a bit as bowling coach, his attitude towards fast bowling was not gr8, he was unfit (not in terms of injured but unfit) during his playing days, had to walk off the ground after bowling 4 balls in a test when being the most exp. bowler in the team. PPl will not be talking so highly of him had he not had that kind of 2011 WC.

Think even MI shifted from him to Bond v.quickly as bowling 

 

 

 

 

 

   

Zaheer though ended up as WC champion sounded as a defeatist for the most part

Very much content with what in hand

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Way better than Vinay Ko Maar. Zak was rapid in his early days and slowed down due to injuries. Still was quite a good bowler in his hey days. Mentored a young Ishant early on.

 

It does not matter whether the bowling coach himself was fast or not.

 

But he must have the mindset of wanting pacers to maintain their pace while increasing their skills.

 

Zaheer, from whatever he has said in the past, gives the impression that he does jot believe in the above.

[Lord]

3 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

It does not matter whether the bowling coach himself was fast or not.

 

But he must have the mindset of wanting pacers to maintain their pace while increasing their skills.

 

Zaheer, from whatever he has said in the past, gives the impression that he does jot believe in the above.

 

That's just not true.

 

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/75193/bowl-as-fast-as-you-can-when-you-are-young-zaheer-khan-cricbuzzcom

 

I'd have wanted a foreign coach. But if other option is Vinay Kumar, I'm quite happy with Zak.

[Chaos]

Just now, Lord said:

 

That's just not true.

 

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/75193/bowl-as-fast-as-you-can-when-you-are-young-zaheer-khan-cricbuzzcom

 

I'd have wanted a foreign coach. But if other option is Vinay Kumar, I'm quite happy with Zak.

why not venky prasad?

Edited July 10, 2024 by Chaos

[Suhaan]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

That's just not true.

 

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/75193/bowl-as-fast-as-you-can-when-you-are-young-zaheer-khan-cricbuzzcom

 

I'd have wanted a foreign coach. But if other option is Vinay Kumar, I'm quite happy with Zak.

Ek taraf kuaan dusri taraf Khaai

[express bowling]

4 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

That's just not true.

 

https://m.cricbuzz.com/cricket-news/75193/bowl-as-fast-as-you-can-when-you-are-young-zaheer-khan-cricbuzzcom

 

I'd have wanted a foreign coach. But if other option is Vinay Kumar, I'm quite happy with Zak.

 

Read it carefully.

 

He says that when you are young, you should bowl as fast ax you can. At that  time your bowling muscles are developing. This is a well known fact.

 

We want not so young pacers, who are 25 years +, to bowl at 140 k+ too. Like we have seen with Srinath, Umesh, Shami and Bumrah. 

 

Zaheer himself bowled very fast when young and then cut down on pace.  And has said things like these thereafter.

Indian bodies not designed to bowl fast: Zaheer Khan

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/sports.ndtv.com/cricket/indian-bodies-not-designed-to-bowl-fast-zaheer-khan-1565076/amp/1

 

 

[NameGoesHere]

For all the praise of Gauti, I seem to remember how Dravid was first welcomed with great fanfare, even bliss, and then how quickly he fell from grace out here.

 

I am a hundred percent certain Gambhir is going to get the same treatement.