Will Gambhir, Agarkar and their teams be able to identify and give chances to the next lot of Indian strike bowlers ?

[Ultimate_Game]

5 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

frnakly from watching the IPL thhe picking are slim,the only one who has some pormise is Harhit.Mayank is too injury prone to be a real option.

 

Mohsin Khan. The poor bloke had a muscle injury and his arm nearly had to be amputated. The chap went through a lot and lost more than a year because of it. I'm hopeful he regains his arm strength as he had the control, pace and ability to hit the hard length.

[express bowling]

34 minutes ago, cowboysfan said:

frnakly from watching the IPL thhe picking are slim,the only one who has some pormise is Harhit.Mayank is too injury prone to be a real option.

 

Mayank is a 22 year old tearaway quick. They are usually very injury prone.

 

But can become fit by age 23 / 24, as his body matures, if managed decently. 

 

And not all bowlers are good T20 bowlers but maybe good for the longer formats. So IPL may not give a complete picture. 

 

Candidates are ....

 

Harshit

Mayank

Akashdeep ( Tests )

Arshdeep ( T20Is )

 

Maybe .... 

Simarjeet

Himanshu 

 

There maybe others in domestic cricket whom we don't know enough about. 

 

Will watch out for Sakib Hussain next IPL season. 

 

Hopefully Tyagi becomes more accurate and gets to play more. 

[tapandrun]

Do not think nothing would change under GG, he is still unable to get his support staff.

BCCI sees as GIll as next big thing so he will play all 3 format, BCCI need a new face for Ind cricket. They previously thought KL or Pant would be those player and face of Ind cricket, they got all the backing and opportunities both failed in one way or other.

 

Now its GIll. GG is v.blunt and do as he says when it comes to him individually, but does not do the same thing when it comes to the group.

He is against star culture and keep saying team comes first in LSG he picked KL as the captain, why pick KL he was supposed to be the next captain of Ind -the star.

When Avesh was playing intnl ODIs and hardly getting upto 135 kmph, GG while commentary said looks like TM has asked him to bowl bit slow and that should not have been the case, but when same Avesh was bowling at similar pace and GG was mentor in IPL he kept playing him. 

 

Additionally he has 2 retiring super-stars who knows what is in their mind, will GG be able to say that these ppl should retire.

Think there is a bigger chance of Kumble-Virat kind of episode again in Ind cricket. GG looks like a hard taskmaster and Ind players are already superstars or hyped as one.

 

 

[Need4Speed]

More Emphasis on Category 2 is also one of the prime reason along with the batting debacles that we took so long to get this recent icc trophy..

 

Category 2 pacers can play supporting role but we shouldnt keep them in plenty..and should be there till we we are grooming category 3

 

Most efforts and infra should be dedicated to churn out category 1 graduates from category 3..

category 2 players should add batting skills and fielding skills..or should be smart with lot of variations..so they dont become unnecessary load on the team..

[express bowling]

43 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

 

 

Most efforts and infra should be dedicated to churn out category 1 graduates from category 3..

..

 

Sometimes we get pacers who look like potentiall Category 1 right from the start. They have accuracy and game awareness along with pace, zip and bounce from a young age.

 

Like young Bumrah and young Shami.  Like Harshit snd Mayank now.

 

It is sad that they managed to select 4 pacers ahead of Harshit on the Zim tour ( all category 2 pacers without any batting or fielding ability )

 

Now there is a slight possibility that Harshit may lose focus and may not look like a potential category 1 pacer when he gets to play for India. 

 

But selection decisions have to be taken based on the information we have now.

Edited July 16 by express bowling

[express bowling]

41 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

 

 

Category 2 pacers can play supporting role but we shouldnt keep them in plenty

 

 

Exactly !

[express bowling]

@rkt.india posted this video of  6'9" tall bounce bowler Nishant Saranu in another thread. He just 19 years old.

 

 

 

 

He hits the deck hard and would pose a very different challenge to batters compared to our usual 5'9" to 6'3" pacers because of his unusually high release point and steep bounce.

 

If he is sufficiently accurate and bowls 135 k+ then he can be very tough to handle.

 

Has picked 6 wickets in 2  U19 matches he has played in November 2023. 

 

He should be groomed specially at the NCA.

 

 

Edited July 16 by express bowling

[singhvivek141]

29 minutes ago, Need4Speed said:

More Emphasis on Category 2 is also one of the prime reason along with the batting debacles that we took so long to get this recent icc trophy..

 

Category 2 pacers can play supporting role but we shouldnt keep them in plenty..and should be there till we we are grooming category 3

 

Most efforts and infra should be dedicated to churn out category 1 graduates from category 3..

category 2 players should add batting skills and fielding skills..or should be smart with lot of variations..so they dont become unnecessary load on the team..

100% correct.

BCCI should make a rule that under 135k trundlers should bat and field well. 

 

Bumrah is a 140k plus bowler and yet he improved his batting and fielding big time. Umesh has been a 140+ bowler for so long and is a very good fielder and useful slogger. Shami too is handy with bat at times.

 

What stops the likes of Mukesh, Avesh, Khaleel etc to do the same...they are just being lazy and show no incentive to improve. 

[Kron]

57 minutes ago, express bowling said:

@rkt.india posted this video of  6'9" tall bounce bowler Nishant Saranu in another thread. He just 19 years old.

 

 

 

 

He hits the deck hard and would pose a very different challenge to batters compared to our usual 5'9" to 6'3" pacers because of his unusually high release point and steep bounce.

 

If he is sufficiently accurate and bowls 135 k+ then he can be very tough to handle.

 

Has picked 6 wickets in 2  U19 matches he has played in November 2023. 

 

He should be groomed specially at the NCA.

 

 

Fast track him

.get him in a diet plan. Fitness regiment. Build his endurance. He can be a handful. He can be our nandre burger but even better.

[tapandrun]

16 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

100% correct.

BCCI should make a rule that under 135k trundlers should bat and field well. 

 

Bumrah is a 140k plus bowler and yet he improved his batting and fielding big time. Umesh has been a 140+ bowler for so long and is a very good fielder and useful slogger. Shami too is handy with bat at times.

 

What stops the likes of Mukesh, Avesh, Khaleel etc to do the same...they are just being lazy and show no incentive to improve. 

Every t20 bowler should be able to bat else its hard to get the balance right.

 

Yes any1 sub 140 kmph should either be v.tall to get bounce from awkward lengths or bat well. Arshad, Mukesh Choudhary think these 2 can bat and hit few boundaries.

If your tail starts from #6 and down there will be high chances team will score sub par  scores and will lose tight games in crunch situations as SA lost to Ind in finals. 

 

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

@rkt.india posted this video of  6'9" tall bounce bowler Nishant Saranu in another thread. He just 19 years old.

 

 

 

 

He hits the deck hard and would pose a very different challenge to batters compared to our usual 5'9" to 6'3" pacers because of his unusually high release point and steep bounce.

 

If he is sufficiently accurate and bowls 135 k+ then he can be very tough to handle.

 

Has picked 6 wickets in 2  U19 matches he has played in November 2023. 

 

He should be groomed specially at the NCA.

 

 

Was he playing Andhara league ?? 

Edited July 16 by tapandrun

[Kron]

Suryansh shedge

Replaced a player in ipl now

 

Rajeev choudhary

 

Harsh mendon

 

@rkt.india

@express bowling

 

These 3 pass the eye test. Good lift and bounce plus pace. 

 

 

[express bowling]

39 minutes ago, tapandrun said:

Was he playing Andhara league ?? 

 

Not sure.

[express bowling]

53 minutes ago, Kron said:

Fast track him

.get him in a diet plan. Fitness regiment. Build his endurance. He can be a handful. He can be our nandre burger but even better.

 

Saranu is much taller than Burger.

 

Could be a pacer in the Garner mould ( not talking about quality but bowling style and very high release point )

 

 

 

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, express bowling said:

@rkt.india posted this video of  6'9" tall bounce bowler Nishant Saranu in another thread. He just 19 years old.

 

 

 

 

He hits the deck hard and would pose a very different challenge to batters compared to our usual 5'9" to 6'3" pacers because of his unusually high release point and steep bounce.

 

If he is sufficiently accurate and bowls 135 k+ then he can be very tough to handle.

 

Has picked 6 wickets in 2  U19 matches he has played in November 2023. 

 

He should be groomed specially at the NCA.

 

 

I read that he is bowling 125-130kph. Was bowling to Pakistan in nets and Morkel asked him to up his pace upto 140

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/six-feet-nine-inches-tall-net-bowler-nishanth-saranu-stands-out-in-pakistan-training-session/article67356793.ece/amp/

 

[express bowling]

7 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I read that he is bowling 125-130kph. Was bowling to Pakistan in nets and Morkel asked him to up his pace upto 140

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehindu.com/sport/cricket/six-feet-nine-inches-tall-net-bowler-nishanth-saranu-stands-out-in-pakistan-training-session/article67356793.ece/amp/

 

 

 

Good find bro.

 

Even if he bowls 130 to 137 k from that height, it can be challenging if he hits the deck hard and gets zip off the deck. 

 

If he was bowling 125 to 130 at age 18, we can expect 7 to 10 k increase in pace by the time he is 21 / 22  if he trains for it.

[Kron]

14 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Good find bro.

 

Even if he bowls 130 to 137 k from that height, it can be challenging if he hits the deck hard and gets zip off the deck. 

 

If he was bowling 125 to 130 at age 18, we can expect 7 to 10 k increase in pace by the time he is 21 / 22  if he trains for it.

He will definitely be a 130 to 140 bowler. 

[Need4Speed]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

Sometimes we get pacers who look like potentiall Category 1 right from the start. They have accuracy and game awareness along with pace, zip and bounce from a young age.

 

Like young Bumrah and young Shami.  Like Harshit snd Mayank now.

 

It is sad that they managed to select 4 pacers ahead of Harshit on the Zim tour ( all category 2 pacers without any batting or fielding ability )

 

Now there is a slight possibility that Harshit may lose focus and may not look like a potential category 1 pacer when he gets to play for India. 

 

But selection decisions have to be taken based on the information we have now.

Its fortunate if we get any potential category 1 pacers early..its common sense to take care and manage them..but expecting common sense from them is laughing at yourself..Mayank I understand they are trying to make him fit but what stopped them giving coupl eof games to Harshit Rana..as if zim is some tier 1 team and Mukesh..Avesh and co are rookie pacers to try them..

 

even if we had lost 0-5 again zim we should be ready to accept it..if we are able to give enough chances to Sharmas Parags Ranas etc..

Good they have given opportunities to Sharma and Parag..though Sharma should have been opening in all the matches..

dont they see how less of our stocks are in pace bowling deptt..do we expect these category 2 pacers to trouble SENA batters at will..

[Need4Speed]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

@rkt.india posted this video of  6'9" tall bounce bowler Nishant Saranu in another thread. He just 19 years old.

 

 

 

 

He hits the deck hard and would pose a very different challenge to batters compared to our usual 5'9" to 6'3" pacers because of his unusually high release point and steep bounce.

 

If he is sufficiently accurate and bowls 135 k+ then he can be very tough to handle.

 

Has picked 6 wickets in 2  U19 matches he has played in November 2023. 

 

He should be groomed specially at the NCA.

 

 

I doubt BCCI is even thinking about him..tehy get 0 marks for far sightedness..

[Suhaan]

@rkt.india

Where is Nikhil Kohli now?