Paris Olympics 2024 Discussion Thread

[neel roy]

2 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Japan, China, South Korea, France must have lobbied for it.....yes France as well which is a powerhouse in judo. NCAA GOAT Spencer Lee's mom used to represent France judo team....and Spencer is gonna win 57 kg gold in freestyle wrestling, saw a family documentary about him and saw how big judo is in France. Random 2 am musings, so pardon me. 

Judo and taekwondo doesnt need props. Just technique. Not like archery and shooting. I see so many karate judo taekwondo classes and institutions in cities across india and every second child we speak to learns karate or judo. Why then cant we get a champion I cant fathom. 

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, neel roy said:

Judo and taekwondo doesnt need props. Just technique. Not like archery and shooting. I see so many karate judo taekwondo classes and institutions in cities across india and every second child we speak to learns karate or judo. Why then cant we get a champion I cant fathom. 

In India, quality of combat sports gyms/classes is pathetic. Except boxing, wrestling in a few pockets. Most of these dojos in our cities are just for show, kids don't learn anything useful. 

[Gollum]

Look at a BJJ gyms in New York (Renzo's, Unity, 10th Planet, Marcelo's...) and compare it to the ones in Mumbai or Bengaluru. Zameen aasaman ka faraq hai, even the instructors here are noobs. Huge gulf in technique, dedication, competition, intensity. Why should judo, TKD be any different? 

[neel roy]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Look at a BJJ gyms in New York (Renzo's, Unity, 10th Planet, Marcelo's...) and compare it to the ones in Mumbai or Bengaluru. Zameen aasaman ka faraq hai, even the instructors here are noobs. Huge gulf in technique, dedication, competition, intensity. Why should judo, TKD be any different? 

Thats actually true. In United Kingdom the classes are regimented and every single class is visited by scouts. Its taken rather seriously. Standards are pretty good. In Dublin boxing is like the most popular sport. In India its to satisfy dad and mum s fantasy that mera beta all rounder hai

[Gollum]

Tokyo was extra special because of athletics gold, and for me personally a hockey medal is worth more than one even if it makes no difference to the table. So those 7 medals felt even richer, qualitywise. 

[neel roy]

1 minute ago, Gollum said:

Tokyo was extra special because of athletics gold, and for me personally a hockey medal is worth more than one even if it makes no difference to the table. So those 7 medals felt even richer, qualitywise. 

India HAS to start well in hockey. Indias schedule

 

nzl

argentina

ireland

belgium

autralia

 

we need to hammer kiwis. Degfeat Argentina 3-1. And then hanmer ireland so that against Belgium we are playing with freedom. Aus we ll lose 4-1 or 5-2. 

[Gollum]

4 minutes ago, neel roy said:

India HAS to start well in hockey. Indias schedule

 

nzl

argentina

ireland

belgium

autralia

 

we need to hammer kiwis. Degfeat Argentina 3-1. And then hanmer ireland so that against Belgium we are playing with freedom. Aus we ll lose 4-1 or 5-2. 

NZ, Arg will run us close, almost KOs for us. 

 

NZ knocked us out of our home WC, badla chahiye. 

[Gollum]

Vadlejch and Weber are serious gold contenders in javelin. Neeraj is more consistent no doubt but (season) peak vs peak, he'll lose to these two. 

[Gollum]

Why are worst case scenarios playing in my head? Come on, we'll win 11 medals with 2 golds 

[neel roy]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

NZ, Arg will run us close, almost KOs for us. 

 

NZ knocked us out of our home WC, badla chahiye. 

If we lose to Argentina or nz we dont deserve a medal. India has invested a lot in hockey now. Played a lot of games. Facilities are excellent. Its ranked 6th. Was ranked 4th few months ago. So I am hopeful. 
 

no idea how the heck Ireland has become so good and south korea so bad..Also looking at the rankings except for Italy and brazil who are missing rest all top of the pile are FIFA footballing giants.. 

 

 

Men's Rankings from 16 May 2024^[2]

Rank	Change	Team	Points
1		Netherlands	3161.38
2		Belgium	2948.16
3	2	Australia	2906.22
4	1	Germany	2885.64
5	1	England	2820.14
6	2	India	2812.65
7		Argentina	2624.34
8		Spain	2396.7
9		France	2185.02
10		New Zealand	2117.52
11	1	Ireland	1968.91
12	1	South Korea	1954.21
13		Malaysia	1925.09
14		South Africa	1912.96

Edited July 19, 2024 by neel roy

[Kron]

41 minutes ago, neel roy said:

If we lose to Argentina or nz we dont deserve a medal. India has invested a lot in hockey now. Played a lot of games. Facilities are excellent. Its ranked 6th. Was ranked 4th few months ago. So I am hopeful. 
 

no idea how the heck Ireland has become so good and south korea so bad..Also looking at the rankings except for Italy and brazil who are missing rest all top of the pile are FIFA footballing giants.. 

 

 

Men's Rankings from 16 May 2024^[2]

Rank	Change	Team	Points
1		Netherlands	3161.38
2		Belgium	2948.16
3	2	Australia	2906.22
4	1	Germany	2885.64
5	1	England	2820.14
6	2	India	2812.65
7		Argentina	2624.34
8		Spain	2396.7
9		France	2185.02
10		New Zealand	2117.52
11	1	Ireland	1968.91
12	1	South Korea	1954.21
13		Malaysia	1925.09
14		South Africa	1912.96

India can be a top team in football too. There is talent. No investment however and lack of proepr coaching. Hockey is a harder game than football anyway. 

 

Also I agree with gollum our takewando and judo coaches are for show. Mostly newb coaches. We need proper coaches who actually studied the art rigorously to allow our athletes to flourish. 

[bharathh]

2 hours ago, Gollum said:

Vadlejch and Weber are serious gold contenders in javelin. Neeraj is more consistent no doubt but (season) peak vs peak, he'll lose to these two. 

 

IMO Neeraj will deliver. Most clutch guy I've seen. Unless one of those two can do a 90+ I think Neeraj should win.

[Sgattick10]

8 hours ago, neel roy said:

If we lose to Argentina or nz we dont deserve a medal. India has invested a lot in hockey now. Played a lot of games. Facilities are excellent. Its ranked 6th. Was ranked 4th few months ago. So I am hopeful. 
 

no idea how the heck Ireland has become so good and south korea so bad..Also looking at the rankings except for Italy and brazil who are missing rest all top of the pile are FIFA footballing giants.. 

 

 

Men's Rankings from 16 May 2024^[2]

Rank	Change	Team	Points
1		Netherlands	3161.38
2		Belgium	2948.16
3	2	Australia	2906.22
4	1	Germany	2885.64
5	1	England	2820.14
6	2	India	2812.65
7		Argentina	2624.34
8		Spain	2396.7
9		France	2185.02
10		New Zealand	2117.52
11	1	Ireland	1968.91
12	1	South Korea	1954.21
13		Malaysia	1925.09
14		South Africa	1912.96

Whoa how is Eng ahead of us? When did that happen and Aus, German are 3rd and 4th wow I thot they're the top two teams..other countries have caught up. Malaysia used to be a top team no? 

[Gollum]

Field Hockey men's (we didn't qualify in women's)

 

Group A

 

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Qualification
1	Netherlands	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	Quarter-finals
2	Germany	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
3	Great Britain	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
4	Spain	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
5	France (H)	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
6	South Africa	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

 

 

Group B

 

Pos	Team	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts	Qualification
1	Belgium	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	Quarter-finals
2	India	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
3	Australia	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
4	Argentina	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
5	New Zealand	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
6	Ireland	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0

[Gollum]

Just now, Sgattick10 said:

Whoa how is Eng ahead of us? When did that happen and Aus, German are 3rd and 4th wow I thot they're the top two teams..other countries have caught up. Malaysia used to be a top team no? 

Most teams experimented a lot this year. Take rankings with a bucket of salt. 

[Sgattick10]

Whatever happened to that girl from Tripura, she did quite well in gymnastics.. We need to invest in gymnastics well. There might be some talent from NE 

Edited July 20, 2024 by Sgattick10

[Lone Wolf]

9 hours ago, Gollum said:

Vadlejch and Weber are serious gold contenders in javelin. Neeraj is more consistent no doubt but (season) peak vs peak, he'll lose to these two. 

Don't think he is fully fit either... Anything less than Gold would hurt big time

[Gollum]

Ind vs NZ, July 27

Ind vs Arg, July 29

Ind vs Ire, July 30

Ind vs Bel, Aug 1

Ind vs Aus, Aug 2

 

QF Aug 4

SF Aug 6

gold and bronze matches Aug 8

 

Odds

[Gollum]

4 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

Whatever happened to that girl from Tripura, she did quite well in gymnastics.. We need to invest in gymnastics well. There might be some talent from NE 

No participation, even in Tokyo we had a girl. 

 

Also no Bhavani Devi in fencing. 

[Gollum]

11 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said:

Whoa how is Eng ahead of us? When did that happen and Aus, German are 3rd and 4th wow I thot they're the top two teams..other countries have caught up. Malaysia used to be a top team no? 

Aus is the team to beat though they have been on a choking spree last decade or so (except against us), kind of like Indian cricket team.

 

Bel may be favorites but an aeging team. 

 

Won't be surprised if Dutch win double gold, prime age/form without mental lapses of Aussies. 

 

Germany recent WC champs, mentally toughest team out there, won QF, SF, F in the WC after being in 2 goals deficit each time....against Eng, Aus, Bel. 

 

Competition is tough as usual. 

Edited July 20, 2024 by Gollum