Paris Olympics 2024 Discussion Thread

[Kron]

11 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

 

You ahve to have a national event for each category.  District event -> STate event -> National event

In Australia such athletes get sponsored by AIS. Everything is free including accommodation food training and coaching. 

 

India need something similar here otherwise how can we expect our athletes to even want to attempt these particular events in track and field. There needs to be an incentive. This is where having atoeast 17 k as average gdp would help. In India after school most kids do IIT jee training or some other tuition classes that take an extra 2 hours per day post school. Then they will be tired. Will be late already. Can't play sport. Need to support their family etc. And then pretty much the day is gone by. Life repeats. 

 

Also Indian education system is to blame partly. Sure there are many bright minds but we should move on from rote learning systems. Maybe start teaching basic proofs and basic real analysis in high school or first year of uni to foster growth in tech and engineering. Our education system needs to be more about application rigour and practicality rather than memorisation and rote learning. 

Edited August 12, 2024 by Kron

[deathmonger]

Just now, Kron said:

In Australia such athletes get sponsored by AIS. Everything is free including accommodation food training and coaching. 

 

India need something similar here otherwise how can we expect our athletes to even want to attempt these particular events in track and field. There needs to be an incentive. This is where having atoeast 17 k as average gdp would help. In India after school most kids do IIT jee training or some other tuition classes that take an extra 2 hours per day post school. Then they will be tired. Will be late already. Can't play sport. Need to support their family etc. And then pretty much the day is gone by. Life repeats. 

 

Also Indian education system is to blame partly. Sure there are many bright minds but we should move on from rote learning systems. Maybe start teaching basic proofs and basic real analysis in high school or first year of uni to foster growth in tech and engineering. Our education system needs to be more ablit application rigour and practicality rather than memorisation and rote learning. 

cant blame jee

 

blue collar life in india is hell

 

like i said - pci increase needed

 

these things have to happen naturally and they will

[Kron]

2 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

you have to unearth some one super young and then use diet/training etc to ensure they grow the way they are supposed to.

 

it was already too late for sable etc.

 

ind only started medaling in junior stuff in wrestling, olympics, athletics in the last 4-5 years.

 

that generation will start to come of age in the next 10 years.

 

like in hockey - the 2016 junior wc winning team led to wins in 2021 and 2024

 

and in cricket - batches of 16,18,20 have come into the indian team and made it stronger (still a bit aways from their peak)

Yea hockey has been spectacular. Apparently lot of losses in bilaterals in the last 2 years was cause we were resting key players and trying out young guns. But in proper games we stepped up. Dint beat aus in 50 years or something in Olympics and now that's done too. 

[zen]

17 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

No one sends anyone.

 

You seem to be under the delusion that by "training" at home and "trying" to meet olympic medal standards there will be some athletes produced by magic who can start winning medals at the Olympics.

 

Let me put it down point by point so that even "you" can understand:

 

1. As india gets richer, there will be more money put in sports and infra which means that more athletes will be able to qualify for the olympics.

 

2. These guys aren't good enough to win but by going out there and merely participating and interacting with the true elite, they know what it takes

 

3. After the end of their sports life cycle, when india has become richer and there is more sports infra compared to when they started out, they go into the system and with the knowledge gained in step 2 help improve the infra/systems and pass it on to the next gen.

 

repeat steps 1-3 till they become medal contenders.

 

Pullela Gopichand in badminton. Bharat Arun in fast bowling. Jaspal Rana in shooting. If these guys never went and played internationally, they would never have been able to train the next gen.

 

Also a byproduct of this is that both contingent sizes will increase as does medal winners (as some sports will be later on in the cycle compared to others)

 

Your idea is the dumbest I've heard. Keep practicing at home till you are good enough and only then send. Using that logic India should have started playing cricket from the 2000s when they were good. But here's the thing - they became good in 2000s because of the infra/system set up from the early 20s.

 

If India played amongst themselves etc they would never have become good in cricket.

 

 

I understand your points, but you are unable to understand what I am saying:  
 

India does not need to rely on such things. While wealth is important, it is not everything. For a county with a population of 1.4B, it should ideally have enough talent already to win like 5 golds. India is unable to do that at the moment as it is not that great in sports. That India winning more medals now a days can also be due to an increase in its population where it is able to find more diamonds among tons of stones. 
 

Gradually, even Africa is developing. Even economically, it is expected to be the next big market. For fun, let’s say in 2080!

India has been participating in Olympics since time immemorial. Participating in an event that takes place every 4 years does not improve standards at home. Also the standards tend to change (on the higher side) every Olympics. What improves standards is training constantly on the ground, striving to come close to the current highest global standards. A reward for those who achieve this should be an Olympic spot (Since they are close to the highest standards, they are already meeting the minimum qualification standards).

India is used to sending large contingents in various games but performance has not improved. If I am not wrong, only recently they are sending quality athletes but more fine running needs to be done on it. 

 

Participating in Olympics and competing are different things. If Zim keeps participating in world cups, it is not going to win it or improve its cricket by merely participating every 4 years. It has to work on its cricket constantly on ground in Zim and/or county. 
 

Your points are bookish! Real world is like driving a car on the road. You may be a great driver but your driving is impacted by how others drive. University is not really a “real” world. It is a controlled environment. Even exams that you give is based on what the professor has taught you.
 

 

Edited August 12, 2024 by zen

[Kron]

1 minute ago, deathmonger said:

cant blame jee

 

blue collar life in india is hell

 

like i said - pci increase needed

 

these things have to happen naturally and they will

Pci? Hdi you mean or?

[BCCISelector]

This is a structural issue which won't change no matter how much the GDP per capita or HDI improves. There is no scouting at the grassroot level to identify talents early. We don't have a sporting culture (maybe barring Haryana to a small extent) or school/collegiate meets like NCAA in the US.

The current system is to simply throw a ton of money at the handful of athletes who have somehow already made it to the top and pray that they produce the results. And later point out that more investment and such huge population is not yielding more medals. None of that investment is reaching >99% of the population.

JSW Sports CEO Parth Jindal said the same thing in an interview two days ago. He has finally realized this after pouring hundreds of crores into trying to create Olympic medallists.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, BCCISelector said:

This is a structural issue which won't change no matter how much the GDP per capita or HDI improves. There is no scouting at the grassroot level to identify talents early. We don't have a sporting culture (maybe barring Haryana to a small extent) or school/collegiate meets like NCAA in the US.

The current system is to simply throw a ton of money at the handful of athletes who have somehow already made it to the top and pray that they produce the results. And later point out that more investment and such huge population is not yielding more medals. None of that investment is reaching >99% of the population.

JSW Sports CEO Parth Jindal said the same thing in an interview two days ago. He has finally realized this after pouring hundreds of crores into trying to create Olympic medallists.

 

Mostly it starts and ends at school for most people. Then they focus on education. I did take part in 200 meter, long jump, triple jump at school level. Didn't win any of them. Finished 3rd or 4th.  Never pursued further.

[deathmonger]

3 minutes ago, Kron said:

Pci? Hdi you mean or?

both

[deathmonger]

13 minutes ago, Kron said:

She is a lovely elegant lady. Very strong and mentally tough lady. She actually came to Australia once and I have seen her in an event. Humble too. 

 

We can certainly do well in such events but I am just understanding why we are struggling in those 4 5 track and field events. 100 m I can understand but mid distance running, long jump high jump etc we should be unearthing talents tbh.

lets see how shaili develops.

 

she did 6.76 at 19.

[vvvslaxman]

There are some common genetic attributes with Indians. They have probably the thinnes calves. Almost all of them. Also thin wrist.

[Kron]

@Lone Wolf

 

This benchoth lowda is the reason for vegetarianism. 

 

Before him we used to consume plenty of meat. 

 

The 5th-century CE Tamil scholar Valluvar, in his Tirukkural, taught ahimsa and moral vegetarianism as personal virtues. The plaque in this statue of Valluvar at an animal sanctuary at Tiruvallur describes the Kural's teachings on ahimsa and non-killing, summing them up with the definition of veganism.

[Kron]

12 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

There are some common genetic attributes with Indians. They have probably the thinnes calves. Almost all of them. Also thin wrist.

You don't need big calves to be a good fighter or wrestler or to play most sports tbh. Rugby and a few others being an exception.

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Kron said:

You don't need big calves to be a good fighter or wrestler or to play most sports tbh. Rugby and a few others being an exception.

 

 

 

You need to have good calves for weight lifting, volley ball, basketball lot of sports. Even in sprint calves play a major role in final push. 

[Kron]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

You need to have good calves for weight lifting, volley ball, basketball lot of sports. Even in sprint calves play a major role in final push. 

Strong calves. Doesn't have to be big calves. You need short torso and long legs.

 

Btw one thing Chinese have is big calves lmao. 

Edited August 12, 2024 by Kron

[rollingstoned]

49 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Damn Vietnam has a better HDI than India & damn good manufacturing based economy & right now our biggest competition in Asia but absolutely shameless performance in Olympics with 0 medals

@rollingstoned what's the reason here bro

Beats me, most of these authoritarian Commie nations are big on investing in sports as a way to shore up national pride and they reap the rewards for several decades eg post USSR nations, Yugoslavia, Cuba. It seems though that despite this they have more in common with post colonial Asean and Subcontinent nations who are mostly either war torn, overpopulated and have low per capita income so are not a factor in most sports.

Don't know why Singapore and Malaysia don't do better tbh but they also belong in this category and Thailand was never colonised.

Edited August 12, 2024 by rollingstoned

[Kron]

2 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Beats me, most of these authoritarian Commie nations are big on investing in sports as a way to shore up national pride and they reap the rewards for several decades eg post USSR nations and Cuba. It seems though that despite this they have more in common with post colonial Asean and Subcontinent nations who are mostly either war torn, overpopulated and have low per capita income so are not a factor in most sports.

Don't know why Singapore and Malaysia don't do better tbh but they also belong in this category and Thailand was never colonised.

Too many lady boys there maybe. Just kidding. 

 

Love Singapore and Malaysia. Do you think commie regime would help India If we had one?

[vvvslaxman]

8 minutes ago, Kron said:

Strong calves. Doesn't have to be big calves. You need short torso and long legs.

 

Btw one thing Chinese have is big calves lmao. 

yes They do. So are japanese. I have stayed with chinese for sometime. He had massive calves. Even the gym built guys i have seen had much smaller calves.

[rollingstoned]

2 minutes ago, Kron said:

Too many lady boys there maybe. Just kidding. 

 

Love Singapore and Malaysia. Do you think commie regime would help India If we had one?

If they were more like CCP commies then sure, not the sort we have. Most of our problems will be history very quickly with the right sort of dictator in power but it is what it is, may have to get there slowly and incrementally.

[Kron]

6 minutes ago, Vicks57 said:

 

NCAA athletes dominate Olympics. 

 

NCAA earns revenue with the huge popularity of College football (American football). 2nd sport with most revenue for NCAA is college basketball.

 

American College Football is second only next NFL in terms of popularity and obsession. 

 

NCAA uses the earnings from Football and Basketball to fund other less popular collegiate sports like swimming, gymnastics, track and field, tennis, rowing and all other Olympic sports.

 

NCAA contribution in medals for different countries.

 

1. United States: 235 medals won by 186 medalists — 102 gold, 69 silver and 64 bronze. 

 

T2. Canada: 14 medals won by 13 medalists — 4 gold, 6 silver and 4 bronze.

 

T2. Great Britain: 14 medals won by 13 medalists — 1 gold, 1 silver and 12 bronze. 

 

4. Australia: 10 medals won by 10 medalists — 6 silver and 4 bronze. 

 

5. France: 9 medals won by 5 medalists — 5 gold, 1 silver and 3 bronze. 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/indianexpress.com/article/sports/sport-others/ncca-athletes-olympics-gold-medals-usa-china-9506859/lite/

 

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/8/12/olympics-ncaa-medal-footprint-at-the-2024-paris-olympics.aspx

 

 

Damn. But bcci would never so this. Richest boaes but most corrupt. Well we need a separate body like NCAA for India but for that bcci support would be needed given they monopolise the marker. 

Edited August 12, 2024 by Kron

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Kron said:

Damn. But bcci would never so this. Richest boaes but most corrupt. 

 

State leagues rae getting popular in cricket. I think TNPL final almost had a packed house