will Joe root break Sachin record

[putrevus]

4 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Root is a worthier candidate than Cook, Sanga, Dravid, Ponting, maybe even Kallis. 

 

Though I fervently hope Jaiswal smashes this record eventually. If Jaiswal is able to do it he will do it at an average of 60+ (because number of tests per year will go down) making him undisputed GOAT. 

It is way too early for Jaiswal. India will never play that many tests.

[putrevus]

2 minutes ago, cricspirit said:

 

Root is close to 150 tests. He likely needs 35-40 more tests to get to 16,000 and overtake Sachin. This means he would have played around 190 tests by then. Not so different than the 200 tests Sachin played. I would say playing close to 200 tests is no easy feat unless someone is just a passenger and is in the team due to good luck. 

 

Irrespective of this record or any other record broken, Sachin Tendulkar's name stands tall. He is not respected and accepted around the world just cause of the stats. 

So Kallis , Ponting and other great players are not respected around the world.Sachin is the only great player who is respected?

 

Root has scored nearly 800 runs more after 147 tests.Let us see where he ends up.England plays most number of tests, so again it will be meaningless as no other player will get the same chances as Root.

 

One thing is for sure Root has elevated himself into GOAT level in last three years.He was nowhere in this conversation before 2021.

[Trichromatic]

30 minutes ago, putrevus said:

So Kallis , Ponting and other great players are not respected around the world.Sachin is the only great player who is respected?

 

Root has scored nearly 800 runs more after 147 tests.Let us see where he ends up.England plays most number of tests, so again it will be meaningless as no other player will get the same chances as Root.

 

One thing is for sure Root has elevated himself into GOAT level in last three years.He was nowhere in this conversation before 2021.

 

He will become first GOAT to not to score 100 in Aus.

 

Not that it's a measure of greatness, but bit odd record.

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

He will become first GOAT to not to score 100 in Aus.

 

Not that it's a measure of greatness, but bit odd record.

Sachin has one 100 in Pakistan.So Root has time to correct his record in Australia.

[goose]

not to sound mean spirited but when you're looking to the stats towards the end of players career to define him, he's already a notch or two below the very best. that's why ponting, kallis, and dravid are a notch below lara and tendulkar who announce themselves well below they had any batting records. batting isnt played on spreadsheets

[Rasgulla]

Selfish guy had 100s again zim , bd, Namibia and Cambodia. Root is better player overall so he should 

[putrevus]

I don't why some people feel insecure on Sachin losing this record.Anyone playing 200 tests should be having most runs scored. 

 

 

 

 

 

[nevada]

On 10/9/2024 at 6:30 PM, putrevus said:

It is way too early for Jaiswal. India will never play that many tests.

Even ODIs are becoming rarer. Sachin and Kohli's ODI records will never be broken. 

[nevada]

On 10/11/2024 at 5:16 PM, putrevus said:

I don't why some people feel insecure on Sachin losing this record. Anyone playing 200 tests should be having most runs scored. 

 

 

 

 

 

"Anyone playing 200 tests should be having most runs scored."

 

I agree. This is similar to Courtney Walsh amassing 500+ wickets playing till he was 38-39 or Jimmy Anderson bagging lots of wickets playing till 42. If some player breaks Sachin 's test record, so be it. For those that might feel bad about the record being broken, remember that he will still have the 100 centuries record which I doubt anyone can ever match. Anyways, fans should care more about their team winning series and tournaments with contribution from multiple players rather than fixate on an individual player's statistics. 

 

 

 

 

[nevada]

On 10/9/2024 at 8:02 PM, goose said:

not to sound mean spirited but when you're looking to the stats towards the end of players career to define him, he's already a notch or two below the very best. that's why ponting, kallis, and dravid are a notch below lara and tendulkar who announce themselves well below they had any batting records. batting isnt played on spreadsheets

I think you typed "well below" instead of "well before". Your observation is right - Lara and Tendulkar had the stature of great players well before they broke any records. Shane Warne had the aura of a champion bowler within just a couple of years of starting his career, bowling the ball of the century to Gatting and bowling his team to a series win in SL. He kept winning games for his team and called Terry Jenner crazy for suggesting that he would get to 600-700 wickets. 

[Ultimate_Game]

Good on Root if he can overtake Tendulkar's tally. It's not an easy feat and would be well deserved. However, he'll need to up his game in Aus as you can't be considered a top player without performing against the best. In 80s it used to be WI, in 90s & 2000s it used to be Aus & SA, and 2010 onwards it's Aus & India. Root's performances in Aus needs to improve but as a Test player and consistency standpoint, he has been amazing.

[goose]

2 hours ago, nevada said:

I think you typed "well below" instead of "well before". Your observation is right - Lara and Tendulkar had the stature of great players well before they broke any records. Shane Warne had the aura of a champion bowler within just a couple of years of starting his career, bowling the ball of the century to Gatting and bowling his team to a series win in SL. He kept winning games for his team and called Terry Jenner crazy for suggesting that he would get to 600-700 wickets. 

yes i meant before

 

agreed!

[Lone Wolf]

On 10/11/2024 at 5:16 PM, putrevus said:

I don't why some people feel insecure on Sachin losing this record.Anyone playing 200 tests should be having most runs scored. 

 

 

 

 

 

Sachin would be dropped if he was averaging in mid 20's for three years like a average test player  Kohli and would have never made it to 200 tests altogether even in a weaker economic era lol

Edited October 13, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[putrevus]

Tom Brady was nobody when he started as QB for Patriots. He ended up as a undisputed GOAT .Where you finish is important.

 

Oh Sachin was this early in his career before Root  are all bloody excuses to cover for Sachin.

[rangeelaraja]

Sachin’s greatness is a combination of consistency and longetivity. 
 

He had his absolute peak in my opinion from 1994-1999. Then a brief period from 2008.

 

But he was never head and shoulders above the best of his peers. Only a little better. 

 

Sachin’s records are absolutely because of having long career and NOT because he was a brute force that was noticeably better than his peers. You don’t have to agree with me - just look at averages from any period and do any sort of analysis. 

 

Only a dishonest or clueless person would argue that Kohli is not heads and shoulders above Sachin as an ODI and limited overs player. 
 

One was a legendary finisher in tight and big chases - an absolute monster, the other was very average ( to put it politely ) 

So if someone plays fewer test innings  than Sachin and overtakes his record - that individual absolutely deserves it. 
 

 

Edited October 13, 2024 by rangeelaraja

[Gollum]

Brook is another contender though early days. 

 

Jaiswal too but he may not play enough tests......anyway most runs/wickets is an overrated record. Murali has 800 test wickets, who rates him above Warne? Was Kapil the GOAT when he had 434? Sachin was in GOAT conversation by 1998-99, like Warne, both would have been in the race even had they retired before 2000....some players are beyond stats. Fischer won one WCC, had a prime of 5-6 years, including one amazing candidates run in 1969-71. But many (not me !!!!) consider him the GOAT, despite Kasparov's domination for 20 years. Borg retired before turning 25 with 6 FO, 5 Wimbledons....Rod Laver with 12 majors, they are still in GOAT race with modern era's big 3. 

 

As great as Root is, he will be forgotten quickly post retirement, like Anderson and Broad.

[nevada]

9 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Brook is another contender though early days. 

 

Jaiswal too but he may not play enough tests......anyway most runs/wickets is an overrated record. Murali has 800 test wickets, who rates him above Warne? Was Kapil the GOAT when he had 434? Sachin was in GOAT conversation by 1998-99, like Warne, both would have been in the race even had they retired before 2000....some players are beyond stats. Fischer won one WCC, had a prime of 5-6 years, including one amazing candidates run in 1969-71. But many (not me !!!!) consider him the GOAT, despite Kasparov's domination for 20 years. Borg retired before turning 25 with 6 FO, 5 Wimbledons....Rod Laver with 12 majors, they are still in GOAT race with modern era's big 3. 

 

As great as Root is, he will be forgotten quickly post retirement, like Anderson and Broad.

Correct, aggregate stats aren't the defining criteria.Root is a good player, but isn't in the GOATs league. At one point, Geoff Boycott held the record for test runs aggregate, which Gavaskar overtook. People remember Boycott more for his selfish, slow hundred which made team management drop him for the next game than for holding the runs aggregate record for a while! 

[Gollum]

5 minutes ago, nevada said:

Correct, aggregate stats aren't the defining criteria.Root is a good player, but isn't in the GOATs league. At one point, Geoff Boycott held the record for test runs aggregate, which Gavaskar overtook. People remember Boycott more for his selfish, slow hundred which made team management drop him for the next game than for holding the runs aggregate record for a while! 

Yeah, same with Lance Gibbs who once held the record for most test wickets. 

 

Does anyone today consider him even top 10 spinner of all time? I doubt it. 

 

These longevity based records are overrated. 

[Zero_Unit]

Apart from Root, no one will ever have a real shot at Sachin's record at test anyways. As days goes by, final nails will be put on this test format and ODI is not played as much and are being replaced by t20. Root will be the only one. I wish him all the best and hope he succeeds. - however Sachin's name will be mentioned and remembered more than Root - funny how that works lol 

Edited October 14, 2024 by Zero_Unit

[R!TTER]

On 10/13/2024 at 8:01 PM, Ultimate_Game said:

and 2010 onwards it's Aus & India. Root's performances in Aus needs to improve but as a Test player and consistency standpoint, he has been amazing.

After 2010 it was SA, India since 2015 easily 

 

Eng vs. Oz, down under, is similar to Pak vs. Ind in WC—it's a mental thing more than just ability!