will Joe root break Sachin record

[Kron]

17 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Thats' a massive copout, find me 1 player who didn't get at least somewhat nervous in the 90's - I'll give 10 who did. He also skipped the easy WI tour a few times post 2002, Zim a couple(?) of times as well. If he played as many tests as HTB Root has in his prime he'd have easily crossed 20k runs & probably played 20 more tests in 2 less years!

Huh? Sachin Is light years Ahead of root. Root can score 10 k more runs and he still will never be at the level of prime Sachin. 

But me personally I am not a fan of Tendulkar style of batting. Guys like Smith is what I prefer. Pure match winner. 

[Praveen 06]

21 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Thats' a massive copout, find me 1 player who didn't get at least somewhat nervous in the 90's - I'll give 10 who did. He also skipped the easy WI tour a few times post 2002, Zim a couple(?) of times as well. If he played as many tests as HTB Root has in his prime he'd have easily crossed 20k runs & probably played 20 more tests in 2 less years!

Sachin played 16 tests vs ban n zim

Root played only 4 tests vs ban n ire

[R!TTER]

7 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

Sachin played 16 tests vs ban n zim

Root played only 4 tests vs ban n ire

He also played at his best vs the best side in the world at that time. And Root doesn't play on home made doctored wickets with a dead dukes ball against the likes of WI, SL, Pak et al? All these teams are much much weaker than at SRT's peak, this -

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Career averages

	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1989-2013	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	29437+	54.04*	51	68	14	2058+	69
filtered	1996-2002	67	114	9	6328	217	60.26	11309	55.95	23	22	7	861	33

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
v Australia	1996-2001	10	19	1	1038	177	57.66	1588	65.36	4	5	2	138	12
v Bangladesh	2000-2000	1	1	0	18	18	18.00	41	43.90	0	0	0	1	0
v England	1996-2002	10	15	0	1136	193	75.73	2050	55.41	4	5	0	163	6
v New Zealand	1998-2002	7	13	2	762	217	69.27	1224	62.25	3	2	0	104	3
v Pakistan	1999-1999	3	6	0	180	136	30.00	366	49.18	1	0	2	24	0
v South Africa	1996-2001	10	20	1	746	169	39.26	1444	51.66	2	2	0	106	4
v Sri Lanka	1997-1999	6	9	1	666	148	83.25	1219	54.63	4	1	0	81	5
v West Indies	1997-2002	13	19	2	926	176	54.47	1897	48.81	2	5	3	125	1
v Zimbabwe	1998-2002	7	12	2	856	201*	85.60	1480	57.83	3	2	0	119	2

 

7-8 years & less than 10 tests a year! At least come up with a better excuse

Edited July 21, 2024 by R!TTER

[R!TTER]

For the first half of his career Oz, Pak, WI, SA & arguably NZ all were better test teams than India!

[Praveen 06]

2 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

He also played at his best vs the best side in the world at that time. And RToot doeesn;t play on home made doctored wickets with a dead duke ball agsint the likes of WI, SL, Pak et al? All these teams are much much weaker than at SRT's peak, this -

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	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
unfiltered	1989-2013	200	329	33	15921	248*	53.78	29437+	54.04*	51	68	14	2058+	69
filtered	1996-2002	67	114	9	6328	217	60.26	11309	55.95	23	22	7	861	33

Career summary

Grouping	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
v Australia	1996-2001	10	19	1	1038	177	57.66	1588	65.36	4	5	2	138	12
v Bangladesh	2000-2000	1	1	0	18	18	18.00	41	43.90	0	0	0	1	0
v England	1996-2002	10	15	0	1136	193	75.73	2050	55.41	4	5	0	163	6
v New Zealand	1998-2002	7	13	2	762	217	69.27	1224	62.25	3	2	0	104	3
v Pakistan	1999-1999	3	6	0	180	136	30.00	366	49.18	1	0	2	24	0
v South Africa	1996-2001	10	20	1	746	169	39.26	1444	51.66	2	2	0	106	4
v Sri Lanka	1997-1999	6	9	1	666	148	83.25	1219	54.63	4	1	0	81	5
v West Indies	1997-2002	13	19	2	926	176	54.47	1897	48.81	2	5	3	125	1
v Zimbabwe	1998-2002	7	12	2	856	201*	85.60	1480	57.83	3	2	0	119	2

 

7-8 years & less than 10 tests a year! At least come up with a better excuse

Sachin was played in batsman era.. root playing In bowlers era 

 

Ind batsman avg (min 100 tests)

 

Sachin 50+

Dravid 50+

Vvs 45+

Sehwaag 49

Ganguly 40+

 

Eng batsman avg (min 40 tests)

 

Root 49

Cook 45

Crawely 32

Pope 35

Butter 31

Moen 28

Stokes 35

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Praveen 06]

9 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

For the first half of his career Oz, Pak, WI, SA & arguably NZ all were better test teams than India!

90s very good. 2000s ok ok except 2010

[R!TTER]

5 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

Sachin was played in batsman era.. root playing In bowlers era 

The 90's was the best bowling era since the early 1900's IIRC - it was a not a batting era, batting avg only ballooned post 2k & probably peaked around 2012/13 then went down as more teams had DRS & test batting got affected due to T20's as well.

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
SR Tendulkar (IND)	1990-2002	101	163	16	8596	217	58.47	31	33	10
R Dravid (IND)	1996-2002	69	118	13	5614	217	53.46	14	28	2
SR Waugh (AUS)	1990-2002	120	189	32	8042	200	51.22	25	33	15
BC Lara (WI)	1990-2002	90	157	4	7572	375	49.49	18	37	10
Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK)	1992-2002	84	138	13	6122	329	48.97	17	31	9
PA de Silva (SL)	1990-2002	76	128	9	5387	267	45.26	17	19	7
G Kirsten (SA)	1993-2002	88	154	12	6114	275	43.05	16	29	13
MJ Slater (AUS)	1993-2001	74	131	7	5312	219	42.83	14	21	9
GP Thorpe (ENG)	1993-2002	77	140	18	5109	200*	41.87	11	30	10
ME Waugh (AUS)	1991-2002	128	209	17	8029	153*	41.81	20	47	19
MA Taylor (AUS)	1990-1999	93	166	12	6306	334*	40.94	15	35	5
AJ Stewart (ENG)	1990-2002	125	223	20	8078	190	39.79	15	42	13
CL Hooper (WI)	1990-2002	86	147	14	5123	233	38.51	12	24	10
MA Atherton (ENG)	1990-2001	113	208	7	7655	185*	38.08	16	46	19

[Praveen 06]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

The 90's was the best bowling era since the early 1900's IIRC - it was a not a batting era, batting avg only ballooned post 2k & probably peaked around 2012/13 then went down as more teams had DRS & test batting got affected due to T20's as well.

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Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	100	50	0
SR Tendulkar (IND)	1990-2002	101	163	16	8596	217	58.47	31	33	10
R Dravid (IND)	1996-2002	69	118	13	5614	217	53.46	14	28	2
SR Waugh (AUS)	1990-2002	120	189	32	8042	200	51.22	25	33	15
BC Lara (WI)	1990-2002	90	157	4	7572	375	49.49	18	37	10
Inzamam-ul-Haq (PAK)	1992-2002	84	138	13	6122	329	48.97	17	31	9
PA de Silva (SL)	1990-2002	76	128	9	5387	267	45.26	17	19	7
G Kirsten (SA)	1993-2002	88	154	12	6114	275	43.05	16	29	13
MJ Slater (AUS)	1993-2001	74	131	7	5312	219	42.83	14	21	9
GP Thorpe (ENG)	1993-2002	77	140	18	5109	200*	41.87	11	30	10
ME Waugh (AUS)	1991-2002	128	209	17	8029	153*	41.81	20	47	19
MA Taylor (AUS)	1990-1999	93	166	12	6306	334*	40.94	15	35	5
AJ Stewart (ENG)	1990-2002	125	223	20	8078	190	39.79	15	42	13
CL Hooper (WI)	1990-2002	86	147	14	5123	233	38.51	12	24	10
MA Atherton (ENG)	1990-2001	113	208	7	7655	185*	38.08	16	46	19

Till mid 90s only.. After that mostly played in flat tracks

[R!TTER]

8 minutes ago, Praveen 06 said:

Till mid 90s only.. After that mostly played in flat tracks

Well that's your opinion and absolututely wrong btw. After mid 90's SA got better & Pak also peaked around 99/2k then SL got better post 98/99 & NZ too. if you are going for half a decade then why not point out the flat decks Root played on in India, Pak or sometimes SL as well?

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
Sri Lanka	1997-1999	11	3	1	0	7	3.000	40.47	3.12	18	952	206
Australia	1995-1999	30	20	5	0	5	4.000	37.52	3.11	54	617	116
India	1995-1999	19	8	4	0	7	2.000	36.23	3.02	33	633	83
South Africa	1995-1999	26	15	3	0	8	5.000	33.57	2.97	48	572	130
Pakistan	1995-1999	15	5	5	0	5	1.000	33.04	3.08	24	580	92
New Zealand	1995-1999	18	5	7	0	6	0.714	30.66	2.69	34	586	109
West Indies	1995-1999	23	9	5	0	9	1.800	29.32	2.97	41	548	51
England	1995-1999	28	8	11	0	9	0.727	28.94	2.75	54	564	77

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Team	Span	Mat	Won	Lost	Tied	Draw	W/L	Ave	RPO	Inns	HS	LS
India	1990-1994	10	8	1	0	1	8.000	43.37	3.13	14	591	114
Australia	1990-1994	26	14	3	0	9	4.666	36.97	2.80	48	607	111
England	1990-1994	29	9	9	0	11	1.000	35.43	2.96	52	653	99
West Indies	1990-1994	18	10	3	0	5	3.333	35.08	3.36	33	593	127
Pakistan	1990-1994	12	6	1	0	5	6.000	33.28	2.92	21	537	102
New Zealand	1990-1994	18	4	6	0	8	0.666	32.76	2.67	35	671	93
South Africa	1992-1994	9	3	2	0	4	1.500	31.80	2.36	17	450	164
Sri Lanka	1992-1994	15	2	5	0	8	0.400	29.90	2.81	26	547	71

 

[Ultimate_Game]

What really hurt Tendulkar is that at his peak in mid to late 90s, when he was scoring 100s for fun, India barely played enough Tests. I think he was averaging 5-6 Tests a year at his peak while ENg & Aus were playing 12+.

 

And non-availability of DRS at the time cut short lot of his innings in Aus where it was a known tactic of Aussies (players, umpires, crowd) doing their best to target the opponent's best batsman. That shoulder before wkt was a glaring example but there were quite a few more.

 

If Root does go past Tendulkar, kudos to him and well done as being consistent for so long is no easy feat! 

Edited July 22, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[Gollum]

We have gifted Root too many easy runs, have to keep him quiet next year. Otherwise with other improved Pom batsmen they'll steamroll us. 

[Stan AF]

Scored another 100 today huh.

 

Forget runs I think he can match the most test 100s record.

[MumInd]

all i will say is if root plays 200 tests....

 

he will surpass sachin easily....

 

 

[goose]

i never rated the 15k landmark anyway. sachin's greatness was apparent when he had no batting records to his name. THAT was his greatness

[Vk1]

Few on SM rating KW higher going by 100s per innings.. honestly he doesn't even come in top 4.. he is perfect example of stats not revealing true picture 

[diga]

10 hours ago, goose said:

i never rated the 15k landmark anyway. sachin's greatness was apparent when he had no batting records to his name. THAT was his greatness

Hmm.. very telling 

[Gollum]

Reddit users calling Kohli the Andy Murray of Big 4, how he has fallen 

[Kron]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Reddit users calling Kohli the Andy Murray of Big 4, how he has fallen 

He is not that low haha. He is definitely better than Kane mama. Just not on the level of other 2

 

Although peak kohli imo > peak root. Root was more consistent. His peak lasted longer but at their absolute best I would take kohli. 

[Gollum]

1 minute ago, Kron said:

He is not that low haha. He is definitely better than Kane mama. Just not on the level of other 2

 

Although peak kohli imo > peak root. Root was more consistent. His peak lasted longer but at their absolute best I would take kohli. 

Kohli is responsible for his downfall, he stopped caring, has missed so many tests for absurd reasons the last 3-4 years. 

 

Our most memorable series wins have come in his absence or non-contribution, like 2017 and 2020-21 BGT, recent Anthony de Mello. Compare that to Root's hunger. 

[AuxiliA]

32 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Reddit users calling Kohli the Andy Murray of Big 4, how he has fallen 

 

 

Kohli is 3rd among them in tests (definitely better than Kane). In ODI/T20s he's undisputedly no 1.