will Joe root break Sachin record

[Sandz]

3 hours ago, Gollum said:

Kohli is responsible for his downfall, he stopped caring, has missed so many tests for absurd reasons the last 3-4 years. 

 

Our most memorable series wins have come in his absence or non-contribution, like 2017 and 2020-21 BGT, recent Anthony de Mello. Compare that to Root's hunger. 

Roots hunger for runs is only matched by Rohits hunger for Vada Pav.

[Ultimate_Game]

8 hours ago, Gollum said:

Reddit users calling Kohli the Andy Murray of Big 4, how he has fallen 

 

I could never understand how Murray could get into the discussion for Top 4 when he wasn't anywhere close to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. He was just a decent player and Andy Roddick level.

 

This is akin to Babar being part of Fab 4 or Fab 5 when he wasn't anywhere close to Root, Smith, Kohli and Williamson. Kohli may have had his limitations in knockouts but his record for the most part has been stellar. He isn't the same as before as his batting average in 20s in Tests over the last 3 years suggests but at his peak he was next only to Steve Smith. Honestly, it should've been Fab 3 just like Big 3 as Williamson didn't belong in the discussion along with Smith, Root and Kohli. And my ranking of these 3 would be: 1. Smith, 2. Kohli, 3. Root.

 

But longer Kohli continues to play, especially the longer format the more he negatively impacts his legacy just like SRT did over his last 2-3 years. Kohli already has had a bad 3 years and continuing the same way will push to him further down the list.

[Gollum]

British media hype, just like how they bracketed Beckham with Zidane, R9 etc.

[Kron]

38 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I could never understand how Murray could get into the discussion for Top 4 when he wasn't anywhere close to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. He was just a decent player and Andy Roddick level.

 

This is akin to Babar being part of Fab 4 or Fab 5 when he wasn't anywhere close to Root, Smith, Kohli and Williamson. Kohli may have had his limitations in knockouts but his record for the most part has been stellar. He isn't the same as before as his batting average in 20s in Tests over the last 3 years suggests but at his peak he was next only to Steve Smith. Honestly, it should've been Fab 3 just like Big 3 as Williamson didn't belong in the discussion along with Smith, Root and Kohli. And my ranking of these 3 would be: 1. Smith, 2. Kohli, 3. Root.

 

But longer Kohli continues to play, especially the longer format the more he negatively impacts his legacy just like SRT did over his last 2-3 years. Kohli already has had a bad 3 years and continuing the same way will push to him further down the list.

Tbf kohli did do well in SA recently 

[Ultimate_Game]

14 minutes ago, Kron said:

Tbf kohli did do well in SA recently 

 

Ideally, I want him to focus only on Tests. There's nothing much left in shorter formats. But if he gets second wind in Tests similar to SRT post 2007 after his 2-3 poor years before that, Kohli would be able to define his legacy. So far in Tests he's one of "very good" batsmen, but if he scores heavily for the next couple of years with overseas wins and a WTC win, and taking his batting average north of 50. That'll bump him to one of the select fews.

 

IMO Rohit should stop playing Tests and focus on ODIs, and Kohli should give up ODIs and prioritize Tests. That way we have one senior batsman in each format. Jaiswal and Gill open in Tests with Kohli, Pant, Sarfaraz backed by Jurel and possibly KL Rahul. In ODIs we have Rohit & Jaiswal opening with Gill taking the mantle from Kohli at 3. Helps with team transition and also help solidify legacy of the players.

[Lone Wolf]

England's schedule is literally crazy.... Non stop cricket all the time.  This is the busiest schedule I have ever seen 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

40 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

England's schedule is literally crazy.... Non stop cricket all the time.  This is the busiest schedule I have ever seen 

 

 

They're smart enough to have different teams across formats. Wish we do the same rather than this fetish for making everyone a multi-format player. 

[AKane]

Joe Root will nudge and push and glance and edge his way to a lot of runs yes.

[Stan AF]

This is Joe Root until Jan 2021. This is apparently when Joe Root 2.0 began.

His #s read below.

 

Matches       97 Inns              177 N/O               14 Runs             7823 100s/50s     17/49 Avg              47.99   https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/303669.html?class=1;spanmax1=13+Jan+2021;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting;view=match     Post Jan 2021.   Matches       45 Inns              83 N/O               7 Runs             4117 100s/50s     15/13 Avg              54.17   He has scored 4117 runs in the last 3.5 years with 10 more test matches to go this year,.   https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/303669.html?class=1;spanmin1=13+jan+2021;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting;view=match

[Tattieboy]

20 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

I could never understand how Murray could get into the discussion for Top 4 when he wasn't anywhere close to Federer, Nadal and Djokovic. He was just a decent player and Andy Roddick level.

 

This is akin to Babar being part of Fab 4 or Fab 5 when he wasn't anywhere close to Root, Smith, Kohli and Williamson. Kohli may have had his limitations in knockouts but his record for the most part has been stellar. He isn't the same as before as his batting average in 20s in Tests over the last 3 years suggests but at his peak he was next only to Steve Smith. Honestly, it should've been Fab 3 just like Big 3 as Williamson didn't belong in the discussion along with Smith, Root and Kohli. And my ranking of these 3 would be: 1. Smith, 2. Kohli, 3. Root.

 

But longer Kohli continues to play, especially the longer format the more he negatively impacts his legacy just like SRT did over his last 2-3 years. Kohli already has had a bad 3 years and continuing the same way will push to him further down the list.

Roddick ? With one major and 4 finals 

Murray , 3 majors , 11 finals and 41 weeks at No1 ...behave 

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, Tattieboy said:

Roddick ? With one major and 4 finals 

Murray , 3 majors , 11 finals and 41 weeks at No1 ...behave 

 

Compared to the Big 3, Murray was closer to Roddick level than the others. He had a few moments of brilliance but nowhere close to the quality and consistency of the others.

[rkt.india]

4000 more runs needed

[diga]

4 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

4000 more runs needed

Not impossible if he plays 4 -5 more years.. 

 

PS: On a lighter note, hope Root breaks that record so that the obsession of some icfers stop

[Tattieboy]

42 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Compared to the Big 3, Murray was closer to Roddick level than the others. He had a few moments of brilliance but nowhere close to the quality and consistency of the others.

I never said he was on level of Big 3 . Now read what he wrote and what I responded to  " he was just  a decent player and  Andy Roddick level . I have shown that statement is false , I didn't even mention two Olympic singles titles that Murray won . Murray was clearly above Roddick level . 

[Ultimate_Game]

13 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

I never said he was on level of Big 3 . Now read what he wrote and what I responded to  " he was just  a decent player and  Andy Roddick level . I have shown that statement is false , I didn't even mention two Olympic singles titles that Murray won . Murray was clearly above Roddick level . 

 

You're correct. Definitely better than Andy Roddick 

[The Hound]

He will 

[Gollum]

Murray gets lambasted because of overzealous British press. He is a great player, him and Stan would have been closer to Connors, McEnroe, Lendl, Agassi, Becker, Wilander, Edberg etc. in some other era. 

 

Murray's consistency and the way he hung with peak/prime Fedalovic is worthy of highest praise. Poor guy made 11 GS singles finals, got stopped in SF stage probably another dozen times by Big 3. Unlucky time to be born in, for so many, especially Murray. And Murray himself never considers himself part of Big 4, he always tries to underplay himself and hype up the Big 3 more, he, his mum, brother are all humble, decent people. 

[Gollum]

Roddick too limited technically, his movement and backhand were never even top 250 level, with such liabilities he wouldn't have achieved more in any era. 

 

Murray way more complete player, only his 2nd serve and passive mentality weighed him down, but still workable. Even had great runs on clay, traditional weakness of players from GBR. 

[coffee_rules]

On 7/23/2024 at 10:13 AM, diga said:

Not impossible if he plays 4 -5 more years.. 

 

PS: On a lighter note, hope Root breaks that record so that the obsession of some icfers stop

close to 34 years, don't see him play till 39. He's already scratching around with reverse Dilshan scoops in Test cricket.

[Majestic]

Definitely England's greatest batsman.