will Joe root break Sachin record

[Strangering]

Sachin will still remain the Supreme. Sachin scored in the Era of bowlers that consisted of legendary pacers, spinners and bowling supportive pitches. 

 

Today the rules make batting easier. Bowlers aren't as effective nor consistent. Lots of batting friendly pitches too. 

 

Lastly, Sachin played against top teams when India was middle level team. Root plays for a top team. The mindset is entirely different. 

[New guy]

On 7/23/2024 at 7:43 PM, diga said:

Not impossible if he plays 4 -5 more years.. 

 

PS: On a lighter note, hope Root breaks that record so that the obsession of some icfers stop

Too bad dravid didn't have any records for his fans to "root" for. 

 

The only ones more obsessed with Indian records being broken than Pakistani fans, are Dravid fans. Biggest case of sour grapes. 

Edited July 25, 2024 by New guy

[putrevus]

Sachin scored against much more easier bowlers than Joe Root.India was never considered a good touring team during Sachin's era and was rarely touring stronger teams.

 

Lastly Joe Root has been playing in weaker team with no great batsman around him other than Cook.Sachin after 1996 batted with one strongest middle order and after Sehwag India had great batting lineups..

 

 

[New guy]

35 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Sachin scored against much more easier bowlers than Joe Root.India was never considered a good touring team during Sachin's era and was rarely touring stronger teams.

 

Lastly Joe Root has been playing in weaker team with no great batsman around him other than Cook.Sachin after 1996 batted with one strongest middle order and after Sehwag India had great batting lineups..

 

 

is there any Indian player you dont hate apart from Kohli? I have seen you hate everyone from youngsters to legends every single time. its really like a crush or something.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, New guy said:

is there any Indian player you dont hate apart from Kohli? I have seen you hate everyone from youngsters to legends every single time. its really like a crush or something.

 

I don't hate any Indian player. I want all of them to do well. 

 

I did not know saying Sachin did not face better bowlers made me a Sachin hater.

 

I don't have any personal affinity towards Kohli either.

[Muloghonto]

5 hours ago, putrevus said:

Sachin scored against much more easier bowlers than Joe Root.India was never considered a good touring team during Sachin's era and was rarely touring stronger teams.

 

Lastly Joe Root has been playing in weaker team with no great batsman around him other than Cook.Sachin after 1996 batted with one strongest middle order and after Sehwag India had great batting lineups..

 

 

This is demonstrably false. No other batsmen have faced as many sub-24 average bowlers as Sachin has in his career. 

Sachin's era had significantly better bowling for Pakistan, Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka, with equal to or greater bowling from South Africa. 

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, New guy said:

is there any Indian player you dont hate apart from Kohli? I have seen you hate everyone from youngsters to legends every single time. its really like a crush or something.

 

The only chap I've seen who throws everyone under the bus - current players, youngsters, retired players - to biggie up Kohli. Let me summarize his thought process, if you can term it as "thought"...

 

1. Any match and tourney India has lost over the last decade and a half is all due to bowlers, other batsmen, newbies etc. who did not support "King" Kohli enough. Even an out of this world Bumrah pales in front of the King. His failures to show up in WC2015 SF, WC2019 SF, CT2017 Final etc. is somehow all due to bowlers or other batsmen. It's always someone else's problem but not the so called GOAT's. My simple ask - if it's other player's fault, then why exactly is Kohli deemed the GOAT?

 

2. There can be nobody better than King and if anyone remotely brings up the possibility of youngsters being more successful than going trophy-less for more than a decade, it triggers defense mechanism leading to threads which padosis will be proud of. Case in point the disgusting thread opened up taking shots at Indian youngsters, some of whom were making their debut, after the 1st T20I against Zim. Of course he went missing once Abhishek hammered that 40 ball 100.

 

3. "King" Kohli is the GOAT with "nothing to prove". And if anyone raised the fact that winning WTC and playing more impactful innings a la Head, you'll be inundated by illogical posts such as "Head is not fit enough to tie the King's shoe laces" despite Head owning the so called King in WTC final and WC 2023 final with the King being there and not be able to do remotely anything similar with the bat.

 

4. If you even praise a former player/legend, or god forbid bring them into GOAT discussion, he'll consider it as a personal attack as if you burned his house down and kicked his dog. He'll undermine the said players making non-sensical statements like "Tendulkar never faced any good bowlers like Kohli" without any stats backing his idiotic claims and totally ignoring the fact that at that time the teams were actually stronger. At the time WI had bowlers like Ambrose, Walsh, Bishop, Pak had Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Gul, Saqlain, Mushtaq, SL had Murali, Vaas, Malinga and pretty decent spinners, Aus had McGrath, Warne, Lee, SA had Donald, Pollock, Fanie De Villiers, Brian McMillan, Steyn, and bunch of other pacers. Even Zim was much more competitive with bowlers like Heath Streak and Eddo Brandes. Plus the pitches weren't that batting friendly which's the case these days and hence teams chasing 200+ in Tests easily in 4th innings.

 

This chap is the poster child of a fan treating player bigger than the game. He would gladly trade a tourney for a meaningless personal milestone for the "King". Quite sad really and he's more of a Kohli fan than Indian cricket, or a cricket fan.

Edited July 25, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[Bigg Brother]

On 7/25/2024 at 4:51 PM, putrevus said:

Sachin scored against much more easier bowlers than Joe Root.India was never considered a good touring team during Sachin's era and was rarely touring stronger teams.

 

Lastly Joe Root has been playing in weaker team with no great batsman around him other than Cook.Sachin after 1996 batted with one strongest middle order and after Sehwag India had great batting lineups..

 

 

As Far as I can remember, India toured regularly to Australia,SA, England ( mostly 3-4 yearly cycle)  just like we have been doing now, any stats on that we were touring rarely to strong nations??

[Ultimate_Game]

1 hour ago, Bigg Brother said:

As Far as I can remember, India toured regularly to Australia,SA, England ( mostly 3-4 yearly cycle)  just like we have been doing now, any stats on that we were touring rarely to strong nations??

 

He brings up so called "stats" for the  most part are out of his arse just like Tendulkar didn't face "good bowlers" when 90s and early 2000s had ATG bowlers in nearly every time. Can you imagine if he had to play likes of Rauf and Shaheen instead of Waqar, Akhtar and Wasim, or Shadab Khan instead of Saqlain? Or Nortje and Jansen instead of Donald and Pollock.

 

If Kohli scores a 100 against Timbuktu XI he'll jump around claiming the Timbuktu bowlers are greater than the WI quartet in 80s and will come up with "stats" to prove the same 

[Muloghonto]

2 hours ago, Bigg Brother said:

As Far as I can remember, India toured regularly to Australia,SA, England ( mostly 3-4 yearly cycle)  just like we have been doing now, any stats on that we were touring rarely to strong nations??

Comparing the 90s & 00s to the 2010s, this is how i rate the bowling attacks of each side.

 

1. Australia : 90s >> 2010s by a significant degree. This is because McGrath was better than Cummins and there is no contest between Warney and Lyon. I also rate Gillespie better than any of Starc/Hazlewood/Johnson, with Lee being equal to or slightly worse than these guys

 

2. England : 2010s > 90s but not by much. While Anderson is better than any english bowler of the 90s, Broad is not - he is simply longer lasting than the likes of Fraser, Gough,Caddick, etc. Rest is more or less the same

 

3. NZ : 2010s = 90s.  90s & 00s had Vettori, by far the best NZ spinner of all time and their pace attack was again like England's - not worse, just less in longetivity

 

4. Pakistan 90s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010s ( this doesn't need to be explained)

 

5. South Africa 90s >> south Africa 2010s. Donald-Pollock was better than Rabada-Ngidi IMO and presence of Kallis as the 5th bowler more than tips the scale in the 90s favour. 

 

6. SL 90s >>>>>>>>>> 2010s. Well the greatest spinner ever + best sri lankan pacer ever (Vaas) bowled in the 90s. Nuff said. 

 

7. WI 90s >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010s . Again, this doesnt need to be explained. 

 

 

[Ultimate_Game]

28 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Comparing the 90s & 00s to the 2010s, this is how i rate the bowling attacks of each side.

 

1. Australia : 90s >> 2010s by a significant degree. This is because McGrath was better than Cummins and there is no contest between Warney and Lyon. I also rate Gillespie better than any of Starc/Hazlewood/Johnson, with Lee being equal to or slightly worse than these guys

 

2. England : 2010s > 90s but not by much. While Anderson is better than any english bowler of the 90s, Broad is not - he is simply longer lasting than the likes of Fraser, Gough,Caddick, etc. Rest is more or less the same

 

3. NZ : 2010s = 90s.  90s & 00s had Vettori, by far the best NZ spinner of all time and their pace attack was again like England's - not worse, just less in longetivity

 

4. Pakistan 90s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010s ( this doesn't need to be explained)

 

5. South Africa 90s >> south Africa 2010s. Donald-Pollock was better than Rabada-Ngidi IMO and presence of Kallis as the 5th bowler more than tips the scale in the 90s favour. 

 

6. SL 90s >>>>>>>>>> 2010s. Well the greatest spinner ever + best sri lankan pacer ever (Vaas) bowled in the 90s. Nuff said. 

 

7. WI 90s >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010s . Again, this doesnt need to be explained. 

 

 

 

You missed out on Zimbabwe which was a pretty decent team in 90s with bowlers such as Eddo Brandes and Heath Streak.

[putrevus]

23 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

This is demonstrably false. No other batsmen have faced as many sub-24 average bowlers as Sachin has in his career. 

Sachin's era had significantly better bowling for Pakistan, Australia, West Indies and Sri Lanka, with equal to or greater bowling from South Africa. 

It is not  , Sachin did not face better bowlers than Root nor did he play for weaker teams.

 

Pakistan had singificantly better bowling but when did Sachin play Pakistan after  his debut series in 1988. He played against Waqar in one test in 1999.Akram in one series in 1999.After that Chennai test we all know what great things Sachin did in Kotla and Eden Gardens

 

Sehwag was more threat against Pakistan than Sachin ever against them .He was best Indian batsman against Pakistan.

 

 

[Lord]

42 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Comparing the 90s & 00s to the 2010s, this is how i rate the bowling attacks of each side.

 

1. Australia : 90s >> 2010s by a significant degree. This is because McGrath was better than Cummins and there is no contest between Warney and Lyon. I also rate Gillespie better than any of Starc/Hazlewood/Johnson, with Lee being equal to or slightly worse than these guys

 

2. England : 2010s > 90s but not by much. While Anderson is better than any english bowler of the 90s, Broad is not - he is simply longer lasting than the likes of Fraser, Gough,Caddick, etc. Rest is more or less the same

 

3. NZ : 2010s = 90s.  90s & 00s had Vettori, by far the best NZ spinner of all time and their pace attack was again like England's - not worse, just less in longetivity

 

4. Pakistan 90s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010s ( this doesn't need to be explained)

 

5. South Africa 90s >> south Africa 2010s. Donald-Pollock was better than Rabada-Ngidi IMO and presence of Kallis as the 5th bowler more than tips the scale in the 90s favour. 

 

6. SL 90s >>>>>>>>>> 2010s. Well the greatest spinner ever + best sri lankan pacer ever (Vaas) bowled in the 90s. Nuff said. 

 

7. WI 90s >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010s . Again, this doesnt need to be explained. 

 

 

 

Agree with everyone except SA. They had Steyn who's greatest SA produced plus spinners were better in 2010s

[Muloghonto]

5 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Agree with everyone except SA. They had Steyn who's greatest SA produced plus spinners were better in 2010s

Donald > Steyn for me. But Steyn is also in the 00s generation, hence i excluded him, as he is common to the Tendy and post Tendy generation.

 

[Muloghonto]

13 minutes ago, putrevus said:

It is not  , Sachin did not face better bowlers than Root nor did he play for weaker teams.

 

Pakistan had singificantly better bowling but when did Sachin play Pakistan after  his debut series in 1988. He played against Waqar in one test in 1999.Akram in one series in 1999.After that Chennai test we all know what great things Sachin did in Kotla and Eden Gardens

 

Sehwag was more threat against Pakistan than Sachin ever against them .He was best Indian batsman against Pakistan.

 

 

What part of 'Sachin has faced more under-25 average bowlers than any other batsman in history of cricket' was difficult to understand ? This is an objective fact you can look up on Statsguru. 

Root is nowhere in the top 20 for playing most bowlers with sub 25 average. 

Playing 6 tests against Pak of 80s & 90s is a significantly harder batting job than playing 20 tests against Pak of 2010s. That is also an objective fact. 

[putrevus]

13 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

What part of 'Sachin has faced more under-25 average bowlers than any other batsman in history of cricket' was difficult to understand ? This is an objective fact you can look up on Statsguru. 

Root is nowhere in the top 20 for playing most bowlers with sub 25 average. 

Playing 6 tests against Pak of 80s & 90s is a significantly harder batting job than playing 20 tests against Pak of 2010s. That is also an objective fact. 

What part of Sachin did not faced better bowlers than Root is difficult to understand.

 

Root has played in most bowler friendly decade.

 

Sachin rarely faced full Pakistani attack nor did he face much of Walsh and Ambrose led attack in 1990s.

 

Nor did he face Warne or Mcgrath in 2003-04 series.He played against Mcgrath and Warne in  one series in Australia 1999.

 

SA had very good fast bowling attack which was case of Root also.

 

I never said Root is better batsman than Sachin. People are getting worked up over here.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 26, 2024 by putrevus

[Muloghonto]

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

What part of Sachin did not faced better bowlers than Root is difficult to understand.

The whole part, since its objectively false. Again, Sachin has faced the most sub-25 average bowlers in history of test cricket. 

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Root has played in most bowler friendly decade.

No. 90s was a more bowler friendly decade than the 2010s. Statistics prove this

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Sachin rarely faced full Pakistani attack nor did he face much of Walsh and Ambrose led attack in 1990s.

He faced Walsh in 8 tests, Ambrose in 5. That is more quality faced than facing any combination of WI bowlers of the last 20 years. 

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

Nor did he face Warne or Mcgrath in 2003-04 series.He played against Mcgrath and Warne in  one series in Australia 1999.

He's played against more than 1 series vs McWarne

2 minutes ago, putrevus said:

 

SA had very good fast bowling attack which was case of Root also.

 

I never said Root is better batsman than Sachin. People are getting worked up over here.

 

 

RSA is the only attack both Root and Sachin have faced, where Root's era is comparable to Sachin's era for bowling quality. 

 

[Number]

28 innings and 0 centuries in the land of your historical rivals. 

Root can score as much as he wants in England but this is a big dark spot in his legacy. 

KP and Cook won England an away Ashes while Joe Root's teams haven't come close to winning a single test there. He is far from being the best English batter of this century.

[putrevus]

1 minute ago, Muloghonto said:

The whole part, since its objectively false. Again, Sachin has faced the most sub-25 average bowlers in history of test cricket. 

No. 90s was a more bowler friendly decade than the 2010s. Statistics prove this

He faced Walsh in 8 tests, Ambrose in 5. That is more quality faced than facing any combination of WI bowlers of the last 20 years. 

He's played against more than 1 series vs McWarne

 

RSA is the only attack both Root and Sachin have faced, where Root's era is comparable to Sachin's era for bowling quality. 

 

He rarely faced great bowling attacks other than SA nor did he ever score 500 plus runs in any series in 1990s or even 2000s.

 

He played one series against Mcwarne in Australia. One series against two ws and one series against Walsh and Ambrose in 1990s.

 

Playing Walsh alone with other no name bowlers versus playing Walsh plus Ambrose in a series is completely different.

 

We saw what he did when facing Walsh and Ambrose togther in a series in 1997 in full five test series.

[Muloghonto]

53 minutes ago, putrevus said:

He rarely faced great bowling attacks other than SA nor did he ever score 500 plus runs in any series in 1990s or even 2000s.

 

He played one series against Mcwarne in Australia. One series against two ws and one series against Walsh and Ambrose in 1990s.

 

Playing Walsh alone with other no name bowlers versus playing Walsh plus Ambrose in a series is completely different.

 

We saw what he did when facing Walsh and Ambrose togther in a series in 1997 in full five test series.

 

Right. the guy who's faced the most # of sub-25 average bowler in history of test cricket has rarely faced quality bowling attacks. Makes sense. 

Playing Walsh alone with no name bowlers is a greater test than playing 4 no-name bowlers that are WI of the 00s-now. 

Yes, we saw what he did when he faced the greatest pace bowling pair of the 90s: averaged 57 in their own backyard.