will Joe root break Sachin record

[putrevus]

25 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Right. the guy who's faced the most # of sub-25 average bowler in history of test cricket has rarely faced quality bowling attacks. Makes sense. 

Playing Walsh alone with no name bowlers is a greater test than playing 4 no-name bowlers that are WI of the 00s-now. 

Yes, we saw what he did when he faced the greatest pace bowling pair of the 90s: averaged 57 in their own backyard.

 

No he did not face better bowling attacks period.

 

There is a reason why he never cracked 900 rating.

Edited July 26 by putrevus

[Majestic]

Root will end up as 2nd leading run scorer of all-time.

[Muloghonto]

27 minutes ago, putrevus said:

No he did not face better bowling attacks period.

 

There is a reason why he never cracked 900 rating.

like i said, the guy who faced the most # of under 25 average bowlers didnt face better bowling attack. The guy who isnt even in the top 20 for most # of under-25 bowlers faced, faced better bowling attacks. makes a lotta sense.

 

The ratings are more or less nonsense. 

[ungboysj]

9 hours ago, Muloghonto said:

like i said, the guy who faced the most # of under 25 average bowlers didnt face better bowling attack. The guy who isnt even in the top 20 for most # of under-25 bowlers faced, faced better bowling attacks. makes a lotta sense.

 

The ratings are more or less nonsense. 

Batting tempo was different those days thus more below 25 bowlers

 

It's like many odi bowlers had economy below 5 those days it's impossible these days

 

Fact is last 6 years have had mostly low scoring tests everywhere and more results

 

There were so many draws and high scoring games during Sachin

 

Further England is very difficult place to bat with so much consistent swing in all days of tests

 

Root is as good as anyone who has picked up a willow ever

[New guy]

1 hour ago, ungboysj said:

Batting tempo was different those days thus more below 25 bowlers

 

It's like many odi bowlers had economy below 5 those days it's impossible these days

 

Fact is last 6 years have had mostly low scoring tests everywhere and more results

 

There were so many draws and high scoring games during Sachin

 

Further England is very difficult place to bat with so much consistent swing in all days of tests

 

Root is as good as anyone who has picked up a willow ever

Most of the low scores and results in tests is because of batsmen technique being affected by t20. Players like Dravid could leave balls outside off stump all day, today's tests bats cannot leave two balls in a row, they will try chasing outside and get out. 

 

The scores have become low, but the run rate has gone way higher in tests because test batting is more agressive now It's hilarious when you claim the low scores is because of bowlers when clearly test technique has gone down a lot, no country top batsmen even leave balls nowadays.

 

These are the two major reasons for tests averages going down and draws going down

 

1) batsmen technique where no one can defend or leave balls. Even the best batsmen in tests never leave balls and will try attacking shots after 1 or 2 defense. Gone are the days when batsmen would play maidens after maidens. Most batsmen today get out not because of great deliveries but because of playing attacking shots or chasing wide deliveries. 

 

2) Teams going for wins over draws. There are many many many matches in last 6 years which would have been draw. But teams either chased huge scores or got out trying. The previous generation of any country never tried chasing 300+ in 4th innings. If you try winning the chances of losing also goes up.

 

 

You also spoke about batting difficult in England but at his peak Sachin was averaging 65 in England and retired with an average of 54 in England which is better than both roots home and away averages currently at his peak, it will go even  down by the time he retires.

Edited July 27 by New guy

[Gollum]

Umpires certainly give Root more love than they ever gave Sachin. 

[Laaloo]

Someone get this fker out 

[Gollum]

32 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Someone get this fker out 

Plumb LBW when he was on 3. Umpire gave not out, WI didn't review. 

[Number]

37 minutes ago, Laaloo said:

Someone get this fker out 

Time to start this Laaloo

 

 

[Laaloo]

Put the TV on to see if I jinx this nuisance

[Laaloo]

10 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Plumb LBW when he was on 3. Umpire gave not out, WI didn't review. 

How do you not take a review when team is 3 down and the day just started and you had a chance to get their best batter out?

[Real McCoy]

If he does break it, I would like to see the faces of these chamchas who worship the dust on which the SRT walks. We know the faces eh @Gollum  whenever the midget nicks to mcgrath

[Ultimate_Game]

6 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

If he does break it, I would like to see the faces of these chamchas who worship the dust on which the SRT walks. We know the faces eh @Gollum  whenever the midget nicks to mcgrath

 

If he breaks it, all power to him 

 

Don't think anyone really cares about these stats to be upset. In fact if there's a way, I would trade all the individual records about 100s and averages for WCs and other ICC tourneys. That's what really matters.

Edited July 28 by Ultimate_Game

[Muloghonto]

19 hours ago, ungboysj said:

Batting tempo was different those days thus more below 25 bowlers

 

It's like many odi bowlers had economy below 5 those days it's impossible these days

 

Fact is last 6 years have had mostly low scoring tests everywhere and more results

 

There were so many draws and high scoring games during Sachin

 

Further England is very difficult place to bat with so much consistent swing in all days of tests

 

Root is as good as anyone who has picked up a willow ever

 

Its not because of batting tempo, its because ODI rules were different - you didn't get two new balls, you also didnt get a PP. Just 15 overs circle rule and thats it.  If bowlers as a whole average less in the 90s ( and they do), it means that they conceded less runs for more wickets. 

Root is nowhere in the same class as Dravid, let alone the elites like Tendulkar/Lara/Viv/Gavaskar etc. 

 

[ungboysj]

38 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

 

Its not because of batting tempo, its because ODI rules were different - you didn't get two new balls, you also didnt get a PP. Just 15 overs circle rule and thats it.  If bowlers as a whole average less in the 90s ( and they do), it means that they conceded less runs for more wickets. 

Root is nowhere in the same class as Dravid, let alone the elites like Tendulkar/Lara/Viv/Gavaskar etc. 

 

What a joke

Dravid is most overrated bat of all time

 

Root is a matchwinner

 

Fact is batsman played slowly in 90s in tests esp against good bowlers so lower average for bowlers

 

Further india had rellay flat tracks during Sachin to pump Indian batting averages

 

Root is much better than Dravid

 

[Muloghonto]

23 minutes ago, ungboysj said:

What a joke

Dravid is most overrated bat of all time

 

Root is a matchwinner

 

Fact is batsman played slowly in 90s in tests esp against good bowlers so lower average for bowlers

 

Further india had rellay flat tracks during Sachin to pump Indian batting averages

 

Root is much better than Dravid

 

A matchwinner who cant win matches in ODIs. riiight. 

Batsmen playing slower does not impact averages. It impacts economy/strike rates. Also batsmen playing slower makes it harder to take wickets, as batsmen cut out risky shots. You very rarely had players going out to an aggressive shot in the 90s for eg. 

Sachin averages more overseas than at home, fyi. Flat tracks my arse. 

Root is nowhere in the same league as Dravid - hasnt faced anywhere the quality of attacks, nor does he have the stats to back it up. 

 

[Majestic]

Root is in the league of Ricky Ponting as test batsman.

 

He is better than Dravid and Kallis because he didn't get to cash on heavily vs Bangladesh and Zimbabwe on flat decks. Also, those two cashed on heavily on the flat belters of 2000s against the old retiring bowlers.

[Stan AF]

Breached 12k.

 

Sitting on 12027. Going ahead and making a bold prediction that he will cross 13k before end of this year. Don't care if I end up wrong.

[New guy]

6 hours ago, ungboysj said:

What a joke

Dravid is most overrated bat of all time

 

Root is a matchwinner

 

Fact is batsman played slowly in 90s in tests esp against good bowlers so lower average for bowlers

 

Further india had rellay flat tracks during Sachin to pump Indian batting averages

 

Root is much better than Dravid

 

Sachin averages more overseas, he averaged 65 in England in his prime and at retirement he averaged 54 in England which is 5 more than roots career average at his prime today.

[New guy]

12 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

If he does break it, I would like to see the faces of these chamchas who worship the dust on which the SRT walks. We know the faces eh @Gollum  whenever the midget nicks to mcgrath

Sri lankans and their hatred of Sachin, lol.