What does Jadeja need to do to become an all time great in tests?

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

Lol no kohli? 

Wonder what boom has

The list isn’t correct 

Kohli has 10 MOTM in tests

[Adamant]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

If bunrah retires now he still will go down as top 10 greatest fast bowlers that ever exited. 

 

If he wins us a test series in eng and SA then top 3 even. 

Add in the wtc. 

 

He has already played close to the same amount of away matches in sena that wasim and Waqar have played. 

 

Imo he is already better than both. Best ever from Asia in all formats. I have never seen a bowler as good as him from Asia. 

 

Yes he choked in wtc final but he played with injury that time. We all saw how good a fully fit bumrah can be. 

 

Bumrah is unlucky in the sense that he doesn't get to play in SEA pitches. He would have a feast there instead he has to play home games in India. 

Bro we actually need to be patient for some time with Bumrah, he is on the road to become one of the ATGs but let him atleast take 220 wkts.

 

Is Ryan Harris an ATG according to you?

What about Bond?

 

I know Bumrah will get there but lets wait.

[vvvslaxman]

He has to run through sides more often like 5 wicket hauls, 10 wicket hauls.  CEntury count he wil reach eventually. 

 

3000 runs & 250 wickets

 

[Gollum]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

The list isn’t correct 

Kohli has 10 MOTM in tests

Didn't include all names, Kallis 23, Murali 19, among Indians Dravid 11, Kohli 10, Ashwin 9 etc. 

[Gollum]

36 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

He has to run through sides more often like 5 wicket hauls, 10 wicket hauls.  CEntury count he wil reach eventually. 

 

3000 runs & 250 wickets

 

5 and 10 wicket hauls for India has become very rare since circa 2017. Too many bowlers, they all have to share. Even WI quartet didn't have many 5fers, 10fers. 

[Kron]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Bro we actually need to be patient for some time with Bumrah, he is on the road to become one of the ATGs but let him atleast take 220 wkts.

 

Is Ryan Harris an ATG according to you?

What about Bond?

 

I know Bumrah will get there but lets wait.

Ability wise bond dint do as much as bumrah bro. 

Neither did Harris. Dint perform well in India. Not that well. 

 

Plus they had very low test games under their belt. Bumrah already has 36. For sure he will get 50 atleast. 

[Kron]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

The list isn’t correct 

Kohli has 10 MOTM in tests

Kohlis best series vs that ass whipping he gave vs england in 2015 or 16? 

And SA series 2018. What a performance. Peak kohli was something different. Better than root and useless Kane. 

 

But now kohli declined last few years. His average is affected alot. If he stops playing even odi and just focuses on tests maybe he can go back up to 50 plus like root. 

[Ultimate_Game]

10 hours ago, Gollum said:

If WTC F were held even in Dhaka or Colombo, Jadeja/Ashwin would have given a MOTM performance. Criminal to host every final in England. Even in WCs they stopped at 3, but in WTC final it seems they'll host every single final till the competition exists. 

 

We were genuinely the best team in the first WTC. We had beaten Aus away from home and were competitive everywhere whereas NZ had 0 away series wins. They won simply because they played in conditions similar to home and were in Eng for almost a month.

 

I wish BCCI cared about the team performance and results the way we do, and ensured WTC is hosted in sub-continent every other time which is fair. Have one WTC in SENA countries, and the next one in subcontinent (India, SL, B'desh). Would be much more fair than the existing system where we'll always be underdogs against SENA countries in English countries. Those conditions render our spin based all-rounders (Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar, Sundar) redundant while SENA teams have their own all-rounders suited to those conditions. Extremely unfair.

 

Or make the WTC so that the final is a series played home and away, i.e. one match in each of the finalists home. Or at the very least the final to be hosted by WTC's no. 1 seed/table topper.

[Gollum]

4 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

We were genuinely the best team in the first WTC. We had beaten Aus away from home and were competitive everywhere whereas NZ had 0 away series wins. They won simply because they played in conditions similar to home and were in Eng for almost a month.

 

I wish BCCI cared about the team performance and results the way we do, and ensured WTC is hosted in sub-continent every other time which is fair. Have one WTC in SENA countries, and the next one in subcontinent (India, SL, B'desh). Would be much more fair than the existing system where we'll always be underdogs against SENA countries in English countries. Those conditions render our spin based all-rounders (Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar, Sundar) redundant while SENA teams have their own all-rounders suited to those conditions. Extremely unfair.

 

Or make the WTC so that the final is a series played home and away, i.e. one match in each of the finalists home. Or at the very least the final to be hosted by WTC's no. 1 seed/table topper.

Kiwis cunningly avoided BD tour to edge past Aussies. Should have been Ind vs Aus final.

[putrevus]

He is already ATG in tests.

[Lord]

Already there

[Ultimate_Game]

47 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Kiwis cunningly avoided BD tour to edge past Aussies. Should have been Ind vs Aus final.

 

We should do the same. Instead of 5 Tests in Eng and Aus, go for max 4 as 5 is too many. Also need to play weaker opponents to rack up those WTC points to get to the final. Wish Jay Shah pulls something out of his bag and changes the venue for this WTC final to India. If they can kick away the ICC curator away from WTC final and tamper that pitch, why not move the venue of the WTC final given England has already hosted it twice already.

 

Or send our CSK pitch curator to prepare the pitch for the final as the "ICC pitch curator" and make that Lord's pitch to something which Dhoni can be proud of 

Edited July 25, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[cricspirit]

11th player to reach 300 Test wickets and 3000 runs. He is the Second fastest to reach the mark after Botham. Has the second highest difference between batting and bowling average after Imran. 

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ind-vs-ban-2nd-test-ravindra-jadeja-joins-elite-club-with-milestone-300th-test-wicket-1453186

 

I don't care he is considered an ATG or not. He has done excellent service for India in Tests and should be mighty proud of himself. Achieved a lot with relatively less gifted talents. kudos to his hard work and persistence. 

 

 

[Tillu]

[Majestic]

Jadeja has been a bit unlucky to not play in Sri Lanka or Bangladesh enough, his away record would have been better also. His SENA record is good enough.

 

[First class]

On 7/25/2024 at 3:24 AM, vvvslaxman said:

He has to run through sides more often like 5 wicket hauls, 10 wicket hauls.  CEntury count he wil reach eventually. 

 

3000 runs & 250 wickets

 

Out of these , Only Botham, Hadllee , Kapil, Imran and Kallis were genuine , ATG allrounders

[Stan AF]

He's already an ATG , op.

 

Not many get to 300 test wickets & 3000 test runs in their career.

[bsriharsha]

24 minutes ago, First class said:

Out of these , Only Botham, Hadllee , Kapil, Imran and Kallis were genuine , ATG allrounders

Jadeja is a genuine all rounder. Average of 36 with the bat and 24 with the ball is genuine all rounder territory. 

[bsriharsha]

If anything , he's underachieved with the bat. Especially earlier on in his career.

 

Should have been averaging higher.

[sensible-indian]

Jaddu is an ATG All rounder.

 

Best AR of our era.

 

300 wickets at 23 average.

 

Batting average of mid 30s...40s in the last few years..

 

Impactful knocks home and away..

 

Performed with the ball home and away...

 

I think desis underestimate the accomplishments of their own.

 

Had this been an English or Aussie cricketer...he would be marketed sooooo hard as the best AR of our generation.

Edited October 1, 2024 by sensible-indian