What does Jadeja need to do to become an all time great in tests?

[sensible-indian]

Jaddu is an ATG All rounder.

 

Best AR of our era.

 

300 wickets at 23 average.

 

Batting average of mid 30s...40s in the last few years..

 

Impactful knocks home and away..

 

Performed with the ball home and away...

 

I think desis underestimate the accomplishments of their own.

 

Had this been an English or Aussie cricketer...he would be marketed sooooo hard as the best AR of our generation.

Edited October 1, 2024 by sensible-indian

[vvvslaxman]

Is the end nearing ? They don't hesitate to throw bowlers under the bus. Ashwin, Kuldeep, Jadeja . But senior batsmen have long rope.

 

 

[Lord]

if Kohli is an ATG, Jaddu is surely there.

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Is the end nearing ? They don't hesitate to throw bowlers under the bus. Ashwin, Kuldeep, Jadeja . But senior batsmen have long rope.

 

 

 

 

Unfortunately bowlers and all-rounders like Bumrah, Ashwin, Jadeja etc. have no fans when they're the ones who're the real match winners. Our lower order and bowlers are the ones who kept us competent for the last decade while batsmen were "no show" whenever needed. Take a look at X/Twitter, social media or even likes of putrevus on this forum.

 

Kohli doesn't do anything for years, their response "What about other batsmen/youngsters/others" or "bowlers should've done better"

 

And when bowlers keep Ind in the match their response - "Bowlers could've done even better. They allowed opponents to score 230"

 

I can recall countless examples of our bowlers cleaning up our batsmen's mess but I don't recall even one example where batsmen stepped up to help our bowlers. Not even one instance and that says it all.

 

I'll say it again our real match-winners and top performers over the last decade have been Bumrah, Shami, Jadeja, Ashwin and Pant. Yup, only Pant (and maybe Pujara) shows up in list of MVPs for us for the last decade or so. And yet somehow for fans and media it's all due to "King" Kohli or "Hitman" Rohit. The cricketing IQ of our fans is room temperature level.

 

Take out our bowlers who generally kept our opponents to below par totals, and scored valuable lower order runs, and we would be competing with likes of SL, WI and B'desh.

[Ultimate_Game]

9 minutes ago, Lord said:

if Kohli is an ATG, Jaddu is surely there.

 

Kohli isn't an ATG. A batsman with an average of 47 with not a single match winning effort away from home can't be an ATG. If he's an ATG then every team has 2-3 ATGs playing for them at the moment.

[Adamant]

10 minutes ago, Lord said:

if Kohli is an ATG, Jaddu is surely there.

Kohli is not an ATG in tests anymore, the basic requirement is 50 average for a middle order batsman.

[Adamant]

At one point Kohli averaged 55.7 around the 70 test mark with 40+ average in Aus, Sa,Nz, Eng, if he retired at that time he would have been an ATG, coz 75 tests is a large enough sample size.

[Lord]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

Is the end nearing ? They don't hesitate to throw bowlers under the bus. Ashwin, Kuldeep, Jadeja . But senior batsmen have long rope.

 

 

 

That too after a 10fer in Mumbai where 'King' failed again

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Adamant said:

At one point Kohli averaged 55.7 around the 70 test mark with 40+ average in Aus, Sa,Nz, Eng, if he retired at that time he would have been an ATG, coz 75 tests is a large enough sample size.

 

Unreal decline. Its not just numbers, even watching his range has decreased massively. I've not seen batsman's range declining so much. 

[Adamant]

1 minute ago, Lord said:

 

Unreal decline. Its not just numbers, even watching his range has decreased massively. I've not seen batsman's range declining so much. 

The last time I saw him playing an inside out shot to a spin bowler was in 2019 against SouthAfrica in the test where he scored 254*.
Even his cover drives dont pack a punch any more. 

 

Has forgotten how to play late cut against spin, which was the only cut shot he could play.

 

Cannot find gaps lke he used to, at his peak he was  probably the greatest in terms of placement of shot.

Pull shot was so special, that Johnson bashing in 2014 was amazing. Now even that lacks the punch

[Ultimate_Game]

24 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Unreal decline. Its not just numbers, even watching his range has decreased massively. I've not seen batsman's range declining so much. 

 

The problem is he doesn't have any risk free scoring shots/options anymore. Spinners can tie him up easily by having Square Leg and Mid wkt in place along with Cover and Point as he can't play sweep or use his feet to get to the pitch of the ball. So a spinner can continue bowling on a goodish length attacking stumps and Kohli will try to flick or drive the deliveries finding fielders till he misses one to be bowled or be LBW.

 

He can't do much against pacers either as he can't play a cut shot and as his reflexes have waned, he can't pull short deliveries either. All he has is drives. So when a pacer bowls on good length or just short of good length, he can't do much. He continually waits for the ball to be pitched up so he can drive the ball or he tries to bat outside the crease so he can manufacture that driving length. But his reflexes are so shot that he can't cover for movement and doesn't have the time to make any last second adjustments.

 

That's the reason you see Kohli falling over so often or try to hit deliveries towards leg when he didn't do that earlier. If I can see that on TV, surely teams can see that too. And a bowling team like Aus which has bowlers who can hit the same spot forever, he'll never be able to get away to a good score. Maybe once in a blue moon type of innings for a 50 but that's about it. It would be a miracle if he averages 30+ in a series. It's shameful that our selectors have put our team in such a situation by selecting him as our bowlers and youngsters deserve better.

Edited November 23, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[vvvslaxman]

13 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

That too after a 10fer in Mumbai where 'King' failed again

 

This is something i will never understand. Batting is their ancillary  job. For once they didn't deliver they are under the chopping block. So their crime is "Not bailing out Senior asses one more time"

[Ultimate_Game]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

This is something i will never understand. Batting is their ancillary  job. For once they didn't deliver they are under the chopping block. So their crime is "Not bailing out Senior asses one more time"

 

That's the logic used by Kohli fans. Bowlers are supposed to take wkts, keep opponents to a below par total or conjure up miracles to defend below-par totals, and also score runs.

 

TBH at this point you can select me for Team India in Kohli's place and you'll not see any difference in the end result.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

That's the logic used by Kohli fans. Bowlers are supposed to take wkts, keep opponents to a below par total or conjure up miracles to defend below-par totals, and also score runs.

 

TBH at this point you can select me for Team India in Kohli's place and you'll not see any difference in the end result.

 

 

Ashwin genuinely regretted for not being able to contribute lower order runs

 

 

[cricspirit]

4 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Unreal decline. Its not just numbers, even watching his range has decreased massively. I've not seen batsman's range declining so much. 

 

He got out to a ball during NZ series that club cricketers wont get out to. Nothing full toss and Virat is clean bowled. 

 

Spin,Pace, bounce, no bounce, swing, bad weather, bad match situation.. everything gets him. Kohli the test batter has disappeared and the one who shows up for last 5 years is the showpiece who brings money (supposedly) and makes himself even richer.

 

Jadeja is an All time test great. He needs to do nothing more to get there. 

Edited November 24, 2024 by cricspirit